No change in coivd cases and deaths after spring break and no masks wtf

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

This is just flat out wrong. Of COURSE we can prevent cases. Not all of them, no, but some of them, perhaps even most of them, absolutely. And even if cases stay below hospital capacity, it still is important to prevent as many as possible. Every infection with COVID, even the mild ones, increases your risk of major systemic damage from long COVID - brain damage, heart damage, lung damage, etc. I would like to avoid it if at all possible, and certainly want to limit the number of times my family and I are exposed to that risk.

Incremental reductions (or increases) in risk absolutely matter and can have a large ripple effect (exponential spread, anyone?). It's not black and white; our choices are not only the one extreme of total lockdown vs. the other extreme of no precautions/let 'er rip.

"Learning to live with COVID" doesn't mean "back to 2019". We actually have to do the LEARNING part.

You really think there are people who can hide from COVID forever?

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

Well, I'm not an expert, but in case you missed it, scores of actual experts disagree with the CDC's new metrics. Any one of us can take measures to try to "prevent" cases right now, and collectively we could all live our lives with some caution in a way that would minimize illness and disruption that comes if too many people get sick at the same time. We aren't in a major surge, and hopefully, we won't be, but with cases creeping back up, school, work, businesses, and health care will be disrupted again even if hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

Sure, there are scores of actual Covidian experts who touted the CDC and "following the science" until the CDC and "the science" stopped agreeing with them. Scores of other actual experts agree with the CDC's revised approach, which is taking the present reality into account.

And yes, you can try to "prevent" getting sick in the moment, at whatever cost you think is worth it. But you will likely catch it sooner or later anyway, and then the cost-benefit calculation for your precautions will look differently in hindsight. As long as hospitals aren't getting overwhelmed (and they rarely were during this pandemic), people can reasonably disagree whether it matters that large numbers of people test positive at the same time, and whether drawing it out would be a better idea. The CDC is clearly thinking along those lines.

The CDC is not following any science - it is making a policy decision, based in part on science about the circumstances in which mandatory public health measures should be imposed or at least considered. That's completely different from what is in the best interest of individuals or communities. The science isn't commanding as many people as possible to get infected with COVID right now. That's ridiculous. Every expert, every single one, is saying that it is better to avoid becoming infected in the first place. That's indisputable. The nuance, as you mention, is what you are willing to do avoid infection, and that depends on risk factors and risk assessment. There's no science that says don't wear a high-quality mask in crowded indoor spaces, or to try to be maskless in as many crowded indoor spaces as possible, preferably with people who are infected and contagious.

Public health experts also tout a healthy diet and regular exercise but don't require that everyone act accordingly. That doesn't mean that science shows that eating only processed food while on a couch 24/7 is the key to health.

Actually, the CDC is making a policy decision that they think is in the best interest of the community, which means dropping dropping restrictions that impose costs on those communities. You are right that that is different from what may be in the best interest of individuals, especially high-risk ones, and nowhere do they say, and neither did I, that people shouldn't try to avoid Covid if they feel it is worth the cost. What I am saying that they will likely not be able to avoid it forever, which is something even Anthony Fauci has acknowledged, and which is what I mean by "delaying" vs. "preventing". And while science obviously isn't "commanding everyone catch Covid right now" (what an absurd strawman), it actually does show at this point that Covid will be hard to avoid in the long run. So yes, while experts are still saying that it is obviously better not to get infected, they are also acknowledging that it will be impossible in the long run. Given that reality, people will rightfully make different cost-benefit calculations.

This whole conversation arose because someone was questioning the wisdom of current CDC guidance, and I made an argument why it is in fact wise. I was not arguing that it doesn't make sense for anyone at all to try and avoid catching Covid for as long as possible, only that it doesn't make sense for everyone to restrict their lives at this point.

And your analogy to a healthy lifestyle is a good one with regard to the question of mandates, but not with regard to avoiding Covid, because a healthy lifestyle doesn't come with the same costs, and has long-term benefits that aren't going to be negated as the benefits of your Covid precautions will be when you catch the virus anyway. Your insinuation that my argument implies a healthy lifestyle is futile misses the point entirely.

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

This is just flat out wrong. Of COURSE we can prevent cases. Not all of them, no, but some of them, perhaps even most of them, absolutely. And even if cases stay below hospital capacity, it still is important to prevent as many as possible. Every infection with COVID, even the mild ones, increases your risk of major systemic damage from long COVID - brain damage, heart damage, lung damage, etc. I would like to avoid it if at all possible, and certainly want to limit the number of times my family and I are exposed to that risk.

Incremental reductions (or increases) in risk absolutely matter and can have a large ripple effect (exponential spread, anyone?). It's not black and white; our choices are not only the one extreme of total lockdown vs. the other extreme of no precautions/let 'er rip.

"Learning to live with COVID" doesn't mean "back to 2019". We actually have to do the LEARNING part.

You really think there are people who can hide from COVID forever?

Not today does not equal forever. People are free to take as much or as little risk when it comes to COVID as they choose without being bullied. There is no mandate that everyone pretend that COVID does not exist.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of Natural immunity since so many people had covid at Christmas. Cases reporting is low because people aren’t getting PCR anymore. Hospitalizations will lag.

Hospitalizations and death rate is what really matters. Flu-like symptoms at home will always be around for susceptible individuals. Work to beef up your immunity if you want.

How do you “beef up” your immunity?

Staying locked at home. Not in taking sun (vitamin D). Consuming fast food and processed crap. Not doing exercise. Watching a LOT of tv, especially mainstream media hammering fear and paranoia non stop.

THATS EXACTLY HOW YOU BEEF UP YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM

And, what if we are doing those things? You cannot beef up your immune system and stop covid based off just eating better and taking vitamin D. Grow up.

Why don't you read articles about the benefits of vitamin D, sunshine, exercise, healthy food before dismissing it out of hand? Its not a "cure" for covid obviously, but a leading cause of covid mortality is obesity - so better exercise / not being overweight would be generally beneficial and increase survival odds. It probably would have made economic sense (to reduce hospitalization costs) if everyone could have been paid more to exercise during the pandemic.

Vitamin d is important but you are looking for drama when that’s not why people are getting Covid. You can be very healthy and get Covid.

And the statistical likelihood of COVID being anything other than a weak flu or bad cold like experience is essentially zero if you control for your own health and don’t have some condition not of your own making. That’s the truth.

The pandemic is over. Cower in the corner if you want. The rest of humanity is moving on.

Keep repeating this lie as many times as you like. You'll still be wrong and it's not up to you.

Which part is the lie?

You’re right. Healthy people that take control of their own health and don’t like garbage lifestyles are falling over dead in the street left and right from COVID.

+1 LOL. There are just going to be people who are just permanently brainwashed to think covid is an imminent danger - even though both vaccines and treatments exist and the risk factors are now well known, and will continue to act that way for years. Today I saw some fool with his two kids outfitted in full on face masks + face shields. It's sad that fear is ruling their lives.

What treatments? You have to be very sick and/or hospitalized or be someone special. Not everyone has access to the treatments.

Food for that parent. Too bad you are so selfish that that parents has to feel unsafe. I think its sad you don't care about anyone and the impact covid might have on someone else which is different than it would for you.

That parent is teaching his kids how to be afraid of germs rather than live in the real world. No doubt the entire family is vaxxed and they are now of extremely low risk now, but the lesson to the kids is "be afraid anyway". Sad and pathetic.

My kids understand the consequences of a parent getting sick and dying. Particularly the dying part. Yes, we are vaccinated but one parent is not extremely low risk due to health issues. You are clearly blessed with good health. Not all of us are and what might take you a few days to get over, would take me weeks. My kids are loving, thoughtful and considerate and care about others. I hope you are teaching your kids to be good and kind people who think more than just themselves. Its sad and pathetic that you simply don't get that not everyone has a charmed life like you do.

It’s sad you have instilled such fear in your children. The chances of a non-elderly vaccinated person dying are extremely low. You should probably be more concerned about driving in your car. It stinks because you clearly think you’re doing the right thing but what you’re instead doing is raising anxious children who are scared of everything. I’d suggest reading the recent Atlantic article on masking and fear.

They had a parent die. You can minimize Covid for your family but not ours. I suggest you grow up and be part of the solution and not the problem.

NP. The PP did not say that their kids experienced the death of a parent. She said one of the the parents was "not extremely low risk due to health issues", so it sounds like she was talking about the fear of a parent dying.

Here is a great article by a mother whose spouse actually did die (not from Covid) about parents' responsibility of not letting fear overshadow the lives of their children:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/protect-kids-faulty-risk-assessments-covid-resilience/621353/

“'Kids are resilient' has been a refrain of the pandemic, used to justify the removal of regular school, birthday parties, and talking with friends at lunch. But it’s not a kid’s job to be resilient. It’s a parent’s job to be resilient for them, to spare them from our fears and worries. The longer we abdicate, the more damage we will do."

They had a parent die. And, have a high risk parent. An Illness for me lasts weeks. You can post all the articles you want to hide behind why you stopped caring but some of us live in the real world. You worry about your kids and I’ll worry about mine.

We all live in the real world, even if our circumstances differ widely. If you are a widowed single-parent who is truly at high risk from dying of Covid, you are obviously in a particularly difficult situation and need to take special precautions. That doesn't give you the right to morally shame others who don't share your exceptional situation for living life without fear and returning to normalcy at this point. They are doing the right thing for their families. They don't need to "hide" behind anything, and the article posted above gives some excellent advice that is much needed by a large number of parents whose circumstances are less tragic than yours perhaps are, but who are still burdening their children with unnecessary fear.

Utterly tone deaf.

Really? I thought PP was quite rational. We're at a point where it's as good as it gets. Covid will be here for the rest of our natural lives.

Yes, we all that it will be here forever. However, we are still in the pandemic phase. That’s a key difference.

The "pandemic" as you're defining it is permanent. Most people are fine with that. I'm not sure what you're suggesting but whatever it is will likely be wholly ineffective.

NP. Pandemics are not permanent. Not sure what the hell you are talking about but it’s wholly ineffective.

Covid will continue circulating this world forever. However you want to define pandemic, define it. Shelter in place, get food delivery, triple-mask, etc...I don't care. I'm doing none of that and haven't since the doors opened back up in Summer 2020.

Sorry, I’m not the authority who defines covid as pandemic. Neither are you. I know you find it difficult to mouth breath with a mask.

Ok, you continue doing your thing in front of the computer screen then. It appears that's where you'll be viewing life from going forward.

Not quite the zinger you hoped for.

Are you kidding? It was perfect. I applaud PP.

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

This is just flat out wrong. Of COURSE we can prevent cases. Not all of them, no, but some of them, perhaps even most of them, absolutely. And even if cases stay below hospital capacity, it still is important to prevent as many as possible. Every infection with COVID, even the mild ones, increases your risk of major systemic damage from long COVID - brain damage, heart damage, lung damage, etc. I would like to avoid it if at all possible, and certainly want to limit the number of times my family and I are exposed to that risk.

Incremental reductions (or increases) in risk absolutely matter and can have a large ripple effect (exponential spread, anyone?). It's not black and white; our choices are not only the one extreme of total lockdown vs. the other extreme of no precautions/let 'er rip.

"Learning to live with COVID" doesn't mean "back to 2019". We actually have to do the LEARNING part.

You really think there are people who can hide from COVID forever?

Not today does not equal forever. People are free to take as much or as little risk when it comes to COVID as they choose without being bullied. There is no mandate that everyone pretend that COVID does not exist.

And thank god there is no mandate that makes us behave as if we can eliminate it. To each his own.

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

This is just flat out wrong. Of COURSE we can prevent cases. Not all of them, no, but some of them, perhaps even most of them, absolutely. And even if cases stay below hospital capacity, it still is important to prevent as many as possible. Every infection with COVID, even the mild ones, increases your risk of major systemic damage from long COVID - brain damage, heart damage, lung damage, etc. I would like to avoid it if at all possible, and certainly want to limit the number of times my family and I are exposed to that risk.

Incremental reductions (or increases) in risk absolutely matter and can have a large ripple effect (exponential spread, anyone?). It's not black and white; our choices are not only the one extreme of total lockdown vs. the other extreme of no precautions/let 'er rip.

"Learning to live with COVID" doesn't mean "back to 2019". We actually have to do the LEARNING part.

But what tangible things are you proposing? You going to shut down our economy? Want us to be Shanghai?

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

This is just flat out wrong. Of COURSE we can prevent cases. Not all of them, no, but some of them, perhaps even most of them, absolutely. And even if cases stay below hospital capacity, it still is important to prevent as many as possible. Every infection with COVID, even the mild ones, increases your risk of major systemic damage from long COVID - brain damage, heart damage, lung damage, etc. I would like to avoid it if at all possible, and certainly want to limit the number of times my family and I are exposed to that risk.

Incremental reductions (or increases) in risk absolutely matter and can have a large ripple effect (exponential spread, anyone?). It's not black and white; our choices are not only the one extreme of total lockdown vs. the other extreme of no precautions/let 'er rip.

"Learning to live with COVID" doesn't mean "back to 2019". We actually have to do the LEARNING part.

You really think there are people who can hide from COVID forever?

Not today does not equal forever. People are free to take as much or as little risk when it comes to COVID as they choose without being bullied. There is no mandate that everyone pretend that COVID does not exist.

That most sensible thing said.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of Natural immunity since so many people had covid at Christmas. Cases reporting is low because people aren’t getting PCR anymore. Hospitalizations will lag.

Hospitalizations and death rate is what really matters. Flu-like symptoms at home will always be around for susceptible individuals. Work to beef up your immunity if you want.

How do you “beef up” your immunity?

Staying locked at home. Not in taking sun (vitamin D). Consuming fast food and processed crap. Not doing exercise. Watching a LOT of tv, especially mainstream media hammering fear and paranoia non stop.

THATS EXACTLY HOW YOU BEEF UP YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM

And, what if we are doing those things? You cannot beef up your immune system and stop covid based off just eating better and taking vitamin D. Grow up.

Why don't you read articles about the benefits of vitamin D, sunshine, exercise, healthy food before dismissing it out of hand? Its not a "cure" for covid obviously, but a leading cause of covid mortality is obesity - so better exercise / not being overweight would be generally beneficial and increase survival odds. It probably would have made economic sense (to reduce hospitalization costs) if everyone could have been paid more to exercise during the pandemic.

Vitamin d is important but you are looking for drama when that’s not why people are getting Covid. You can be very healthy and get Covid.

And the statistical likelihood of COVID being anything other than a weak flu or bad cold like experience is essentially zero if you control for your own health and don’t have some condition not of your own making. That’s the truth.

The pandemic is over. Cower in the corner if you want. The rest of humanity is moving on.

Keep repeating this lie as many times as you like. You'll still be wrong and it's not up to you.

Which part is the lie?

You’re right. Healthy people that take control of their own health and don’t like garbage lifestyles are falling over dead in the street left and right from COVID.

+1 LOL. There are just going to be people who are just permanently brainwashed to think covid is an imminent danger - even though both vaccines and treatments exist and the risk factors are now well known, and will continue to act that way for years. Today I saw some fool with his two kids outfitted in full on face masks + face shields. It's sad that fear is ruling their lives.

What treatments? You have to be very sick and/or hospitalized or be someone special. Not everyone has access to the treatments.

Food for that parent. Too bad you are so selfish that that parents has to feel unsafe. I think its sad you don't care about anyone and the impact covid might have on someone else which is different than it would for you.

That parent is teaching his kids how to be afraid of germs rather than live in the real world. No doubt the entire family is vaxxed and they are now of extremely low risk now, but the lesson to the kids is "be afraid anyway". Sad and pathetic.

My kids understand the consequences of a parent getting sick and dying. Particularly the dying part. Yes, we are vaccinated but one parent is not extremely low risk due to health issues. You are clearly blessed with good health. Not all of us are and what might take you a few days to get over, would take me weeks. My kids are loving, thoughtful and considerate and care about others. I hope you are teaching your kids to be good and kind people who think more than just themselves. Its sad and pathetic that you simply don't get that not everyone has a charmed life like you do.

It’s sad you have instilled such fear in your children. The chances of a non-elderly vaccinated person dying are extremely low. You should probably be more concerned about driving in your car. It stinks because you clearly think you’re doing the right thing but what you’re instead doing is raising anxious children who are scared of everything. I’d suggest reading the recent Atlantic article on masking and fear.

They had a parent die. You can minimize Covid for your family but not ours. I suggest you grow up and be part of the solution and not the problem.

NP. The PP did not say that their kids experienced the death of a parent. She said one of the the parents was "not extremely low risk due to health issues", so it sounds like she was talking about the fear of a parent dying.

Here is a great article by a mother whose spouse actually did die (not from Covid) about parents' responsibility of not letting fear overshadow the lives of their children:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/protect-kids-faulty-risk-assessments-covid-resilience/621353/

“'Kids are resilient' has been a refrain of the pandemic, used to justify the removal of regular school, birthday parties, and talking with friends at lunch. But it’s not a kid’s job to be resilient. It’s a parent’s job to be resilient for them, to spare them from our fears and worries. The longer we abdicate, the more damage we will do."

They had a parent die. And, have a high risk parent. An Illness for me lasts weeks. You can post all the articles you want to hide behind why you stopped caring but some of us live in the real world. You worry about your kids and I’ll worry about mine.

We all live in the real world, even if our circumstances differ widely. If you are a widowed single-parent who is truly at high risk from dying of Covid, you are obviously in a particularly difficult situation and need to take special precautions. That doesn't give you the right to morally shame others who don't share your exceptional situation for living life without fear and returning to normalcy at this point. They are doing the right thing for their families. They don't need to "hide" behind anything, and the article posted above gives some excellent advice that is much needed by a large number of parents whose circumstances are less tragic than yours perhaps are, but who are still burdening their children with unnecessary fear.

Utterly tone deaf.

Really? I thought PP was quite rational. We're at a point where it's as good as it gets. Covid will be here for the rest of our natural lives.

Yes, we all that it will be here forever. However, we are still in the pandemic phase. That’s a key difference.

The "pandemic" as you're defining it is permanent. Most people are fine with that. I'm not sure what you're suggesting but whatever it is will likely be wholly ineffective.

NP. Pandemics are not permanent. Not sure what the hell you are talking about but it’s wholly ineffective.

Covid will continue circulating this world forever. However you want to define pandemic, define it. Shelter in place, get food delivery, triple-mask, etc...I don't care. I'm doing none of that and haven't since the doors opened back up in Summer 2020.

Sorry, I’m not the authority who defines covid as pandemic. Neither are you. I know you find it difficult to mouth breath with a mask.

Ok, you continue doing your thing in front of the computer screen then. It appears that's where you'll be viewing life from going forward.

Not quite the zinger you hoped for.

Are you kidding? It was perfect. I applaud PP.

Dear Lord!

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of Natural immunity since so many people had covid at Christmas. Cases reporting is low because people aren’t getting PCR anymore. Hospitalizations will lag.

Hospitalizations and death rate is what really matters. Flu-like symptoms at home will always be around for susceptible individuals. Work to beef up your immunity if you want.

How do you “beef up” your immunity?

Staying locked at home. Not in taking sun (vitamin D). Consuming fast food and processed crap. Not doing exercise. Watching a LOT of tv, especially mainstream media hammering fear and paranoia non stop.

THATS EXACTLY HOW YOU BEEF UP YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM

And, what if we are doing those things? You cannot beef up your immune system and stop covid based off just eating better and taking vitamin D. Grow up.

Why don't you read articles about the benefits of vitamin D, sunshine, exercise, healthy food before dismissing it out of hand? Its not a "cure" for covid obviously, but a leading cause of covid mortality is obesity - so better exercise / not being overweight would be generally beneficial and increase survival odds. It probably would have made economic sense (to reduce hospitalization costs) if everyone could have been paid more to exercise during the pandemic.

Vitamin d is important but you are looking for drama when that’s not why people are getting Covid. You can be very healthy and get Covid.

And the statistical likelihood of COVID being anything other than a weak flu or bad cold like experience is essentially zero if you control for your own health and don’t have some condition not of your own making. That’s the truth.

The pandemic is over. Cower in the corner if you want. The rest of humanity is moving on.

There is no humanity with people like you. Personally I don't want a flu or bad cold...I dont get why you would.

So you’re going to wear a mask and face shield for the rest of your life so you don’t ever get a cold or the flu? Impressive! Let me know how that goes.

Actually, it's going really well. My allergies are better too. This is the healthiest I have been in years.

You’re probably less healthy than you think. If you’re not being exposed to all kinds of germs on a daily basis, you’re immune system is going to forget how to work. Good luck with that.

My virologist neighbor laughed when I told her your claim that the immune system is going to forget how to work. You must know something she doesn’t.

While “forgetting how to work” may have been a poor choice of words, I’d be shocked if your virologist neighbor didn’t think shielding yourself from all germs would have negative ramifications down the road.

Talked about that too and she didn’t put much stock into that and dismissed that claim.

NP. Virologists have been behind all sorts of non-evidence based recommendations during this pandemic, so I'll take anything they say with a grain of salt. Now if she was an immunologist, I'd be more interested, and I would be quite surprised if they thought eliminating all exposures to respiratory viruses for the rest of a young adult's life was a good idea.

Classic. “I have no medical degree or advanced degree, so I’m just going to ignore someone WAY more intelligent than me because I don’t like what they say.” The hubris. Truly Darwinism.

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https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

This is just flat out wrong. Of COURSE we can prevent cases. Not all of them, no, but some of them, perhaps even most of them, absolutely. And even if cases stay below hospital capacity, it still is important to prevent as many as possible. Every infection with COVID, even the mild ones, increases your risk of major systemic damage from long COVID - brain damage, heart damage, lung damage, etc. I would like to avoid it if at all possible, and certainly want to limit the number of times my family and I are exposed to that risk.

Incremental reductions (or increases) in risk absolutely matter and can have a large ripple effect (exponential spread, anyone?). It's not black and white; our choices are not only the one extreme of total lockdown vs. the other extreme of no precautions/let 'er rip.

"Learning to live with COVID" doesn't mean "back to 2019". We actually have to do the LEARNING part.

But what tangible things are you proposing? You going to shut down our economy? Want us to be Shanghai?

Lock people in their apartments, starve them, take their babies away, and beat their pets to death. That's the dream state for some posters here.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of Natural immunity since so many people had covid at Christmas. Cases reporting is low because people aren’t getting PCR anymore. Hospitalizations will lag.

Hospitalizations and death rate is what really matters. Flu-like symptoms at home will always be around for susceptible individuals. Work to beef up your immunity if you want.

How do you “beef up” your immunity?

Staying locked at home. Not in taking sun (vitamin D). Consuming fast food and processed crap. Not doing exercise. Watching a LOT of tv, especially mainstream media hammering fear and paranoia non stop.

THATS EXACTLY HOW YOU BEEF UP YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM

And, what if we are doing those things? You cannot beef up your immune system and stop covid based off just eating better and taking vitamin D. Grow up.

Why don't you read articles about the benefits of vitamin D, sunshine, exercise, healthy food before dismissing it out of hand? Its not a "cure" for covid obviously, but a leading cause of covid mortality is obesity - so better exercise / not being overweight would be generally beneficial and increase survival odds. It probably would have made economic sense (to reduce hospitalization costs) if everyone could have been paid more to exercise during the pandemic.

Vitamin d is important but you are looking for drama when that’s not why people are getting Covid. You can be very healthy and get Covid.

And the statistical likelihood of COVID being anything other than a weak flu or bad cold like experience is essentially zero if you control for your own health and don’t have some condition not of your own making. That’s the truth.

The pandemic is over. Cower in the corner if you want. The rest of humanity is moving on.

There is no humanity with people like you. Personally I don't want a flu or bad cold...I dont get why you would.

So you’re going to wear a mask and face shield for the rest of your life so you don’t ever get a cold or the flu? Impressive! Let me know how that goes.

Actually, it's going really well. My allergies are better too. This is the healthiest I have been in years.

You’re probably less healthy than you think. If you’re not being exposed to all kinds of germs on a daily basis, you’re immune system is going to forget how to work. Good luck with that.

My virologist neighbor laughed when I told her your claim that the immune system is going to forget how to work. You must know something she doesn’t.

While “forgetting how to work” may have been a poor choice of words, I’d be shocked if your virologist neighbor didn’t think shielding yourself from all germs would have negative ramifications down the road.

Talked about that too and she didn’t put much stock into that and dismissed that claim.

NP. Virologists have been behind all sorts of non-evidence based recommendations during this pandemic, so I'll take anything they say with a grain of salt. Now if she was an immunologist, I'd be more interested, and I would be quite surprised if they thought eliminating all exposures to respiratory viruses for the rest of a young adult's life was a good idea.

Her spouse is an immunologist at the NIH and concurred.

Then they sound like a pretty shitty virologist and immunologist. Sorry.

Great come back. You think you know better than people who make a living doing this? Why bother going to the doctor - it seems like you know everything about the human body and disease from…? The medical textbooks you read? The dissertation you wrote? The years of clinical experience? The Boards you needed to take? Oh, that’s right. You didn’t do any of that, YOU just know from reading Twitter.

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

This is just flat out wrong. Of COURSE we can prevent cases. Not all of them, no, but some of them, perhaps even most of them, absolutely. And even if cases stay below hospital capacity, it still is important to prevent as many as possible. Every infection with COVID, even the mild ones, increases your risk of major systemic damage from long COVID - brain damage, heart damage, lung damage, etc. I would like to avoid it if at all possible, and certainly want to limit the number of times my family and I are exposed to that risk.

Incremental reductions (or increases) in risk absolutely matter and can have a large ripple effect (exponential spread, anyone?). It's not black and white; our choices are not only the one extreme of total lockdown vs. the other extreme of no precautions/let 'er rip.

"Learning to live with COVID" doesn't mean "back to 2019". We actually have to do the LEARNING part.

But what tangible things are you proposing? You going to shut down our economy? Want us to be Shanghai?

Lock people in their apartments, starve them, take their babies away, and beat their pets to death. That's the dream state for some posters here.

I’m pretty certain no one said anything remotely like that. Apart from yourself.

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https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

This is just flat out wrong. Of COURSE we can prevent cases. Not all of them, no, but some of them, perhaps even most of them, absolutely. And even if cases stay below hospital capacity, it still is important to prevent as many as possible. Every infection with COVID, even the mild ones, increases your risk of major systemic damage from long COVID - brain damage, heart damage, lung damage, etc. I would like to avoid it if at all possible, and certainly want to limit the number of times my family and I are exposed to that risk.

Incremental reductions (or increases) in risk absolutely matter and can have a large ripple effect (exponential spread, anyone?). It's not black and white; our choices are not only the one extreme of total lockdown vs. the other extreme of no precautions/let 'er rip.

"Learning to live with COVID" doesn't mean "back to 2019". We actually have to do the LEARNING part.

But what tangible things are you proposing? You going to shut down our economy? Want us to be Shanghai?

Lock people in their apartments, starve them, take their babies away, and beat their pets to death. That's the dream state for some posters here.

I’m pretty certain no one said anything remotely like that. Apart from yourself.

Dare to dream though, right? #zerocovid

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

This is just flat out wrong. Of COURSE we can prevent cases. Not all of them, no, but some of them, perhaps even most of them, absolutely. And even if cases stay below hospital capacity, it still is important to prevent as many as possible. Every infection with COVID, even the mild ones, increases your risk of major systemic damage from long COVID - brain damage, heart damage, lung damage, etc. I would like to avoid it if at all possible, and certainly want to limit the number of times my family and I are exposed to that risk.

Incremental reductions (or increases) in risk absolutely matter and can have a large ripple effect (exponential spread, anyone?). It's not black and white; our choices are not only the one extreme of total lockdown vs. the other extreme of no precautions/let 'er rip.

"Learning to live with COVID" doesn't mean "back to 2019". We actually have to do the LEARNING part.

But what tangible things are you proposing? You going to shut down our economy? Want us to be Shanghai?

Lock people in their apartments, starve them, take their babies away, and beat their pets to death. That's the dream state for some posters here.

Why are you not capable of an intelligent, nuanced conversation about this? Your ridiculous, exaggerated comments make you look like you can’t put forth any intelligent arguments. When challenged you just resort to these ridiculous statements. I feel like I’m watching Tucker Carlson.

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

This is just flat out wrong. Of COURSE we can prevent cases. Not all of them, no, but some of them, perhaps even most of them, absolutely. And even if cases stay below hospital capacity, it still is important to prevent as many as possible. Every infection with COVID, even the mild ones, increases your risk of major systemic damage from long COVID - brain damage, heart damage, lung damage, etc. I would like to avoid it if at all possible, and certainly want to limit the number of times my family and I are exposed to that risk.

Incremental reductions (or increases) in risk absolutely matter and can have a large ripple effect (exponential spread, anyone?). It's not black and white; our choices are not only the one extreme of total lockdown vs. the other extreme of no precautions/let 'er rip.

"Learning to live with COVID" doesn't mean "back to 2019". We actually have to do the LEARNING part.

But what tangible things are you proposing? You going to shut down our economy? Want us to be Shanghai?

The PP said noting abut shutting down the economy or mandating any measures. I'm a DP, but I would guess that the PP thinks that living with COVID involves an awareness of the level of community spread and individual decisions based on personal risk about when to scale back risk or accept more. That might mean not eating in restaurants right now, when COVID is clearly spreading, or returning to wearing high-quality masks indoors if you haven't been, or being sure to test when you have symptoms to avoid spreading, or wearing masks and testing if you have been exposed, etc. Some of these are the other parts of the CDC guidance that are being conveniently ignored by many. These actions are inconsistent with the party line of being "done with COVID" but entirely consistent with living with COVID.

You can make decisions about what you want to do at any given time, but to do that, you need information about COVID risk, which is becoming increasingly difficult to come by in some areas. That's why watching cases is helpful because it gives us, as individuals, an idea of how likely we are to become infected. I have a child who is infected now, and he likely got it at an unmasked family gathering in a closed space that was very important to our family. We took the risk and he got COVID. If the likely place of transmission was an Olive Garden, I'd say it wasn't worth it.

The all-or-nothing thinkers on both sides can't see the benefits of the middle ground. The middle ground is how many of us view living with COVID and it involves personal adjustments that follow what risks are acceptable under the current circumstances. It might involve changing an indoor gathering to an outdoor party if there is substantial community spread and the weather is nice, or having your kid wear an KN95 at school if you are going to be seeing vulnerable grandparents. That's it. No lockdowns, no mandates. Just informed decision making that lets us live our lives with COVID circulating, with knowledge that we can't hide forever but at the same time, the risk of becoming infected are still uncertain (long COVID).