No change in coivd cases and deaths after spring break and no masks wtf

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

This is just flat out wrong. Of COURSE we can prevent cases. Not all of them, no, but some of them, perhaps even most of them, absolutely. And even if cases stay below hospital capacity, it still is important to prevent as many as possible. Every infection with COVID, even the mild ones, increases your risk of major systemic damage from long COVID - brain damage, heart damage, lung damage, etc. I would like to avoid it if at all possible, and certainly want to limit the number of times my family and I are exposed to that risk.

Incremental reductions (or increases) in risk absolutely matter and can have a large ripple effect (exponential spread, anyone?). It's not black and white; our choices are not only the one extreme of total lockdown vs. the other extreme of no precautions/let 'er rip.

"Learning to live with COVID" doesn't mean "back to 2019". We actually have to do the LEARNING part.

You really think there are people who can hide from COVID forever?

Not today does not equal forever. People are free to take as much or as little risk when it comes to COVID as they choose without being bullied. There is no mandate that everyone pretend that COVID does not exist.

In DC, there are really not many people who want to "pretend Covid doesn't exist." This attitude absolutely exists in other areas, but not here.

Right now in DC, the argument is really between people who who want to take precautions as they go about their normal lives, and people who don't think it's time to return to normal lives yet. But it's valuable to note that there really is not a "no precautions" contingent.

The people in DC who are happy to see mask mandates go are mostly vaccinated and boosted and are still happy to wear masks in settings that are higher risk or where they are required (doctor's offices, a store that required it, etc.). Most of the people I talk to in DC are really arguing against mask mandates that are not supported by science (outdoor masking requirements, like the one DCPS had until March!), that may have negative impacts on kids while not being effective (masking requirements in daycares and preschools), or masking that just feels like virtue signaling without a purpose (requiring people to mask in bars and restaurants). I really don't know any people who refuse to mask or think it's never necessary. It's more a desire to see masking requirements reflect a longterm approach to Covid and a recognition that it is not realistic to expect people to mask all the time -- let's figure out when masks are most necessary and do the most good, and then try to get 100% compliance with that.

DC is mostly pro-vax, pro-mask, pro-caution. But there is a desire for some of us to take a longview -- what is the most sustainable approach to combatting Covid.

It's not so much that people want to pretend it's 2019, as that we want to acknowledge it's no longer April 2020. We have more and better tools at our disposal. We know more. Let's use what we know.

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

This is just flat out wrong. Of COURSE we can prevent cases. Not all of them, no, but some of them, perhaps even most of them, absolutely. And even if cases stay below hospital capacity, it still is important to prevent as many as possible. Every infection with COVID, even the mild ones, increases your risk of major systemic damage from long COVID - brain damage, heart damage, lung damage, etc. I would like to avoid it if at all possible, and certainly want to limit the number of times my family and I are exposed to that risk.

Incremental reductions (or increases) in risk absolutely matter and can have a large ripple effect (exponential spread, anyone?). It's not black and white; our choices are not only the one extreme of total lockdown vs. the other extreme of no precautions/let 'er rip.

"Learning to live with COVID" doesn't mean "back to 2019". We actually have to do the LEARNING part.

But what tangible things are you proposing? You going to shut down our economy? Want us to be Shanghai?

Lock people in their apartments, starve them, take their babies away, and beat their pets to death. That's the dream state for some posters here.

Why are you not capable of an intelligent, nuanced conversation about this? Your ridiculous, exaggerated comments make you look like you can’t put forth any intelligent arguments. When challenged you just resort to these ridiculous statements. I feel like I’m watching Tucker Carlson.

There are posters here that believe leaving your house is irresponsible and not "decent". So they essentially and indirectly advocate for this type of extremism.

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

This is just flat out wrong. Of COURSE we can prevent cases. Not all of them, no, but some of them, perhaps even most of them, absolutely. And even if cases stay below hospital capacity, it still is important to prevent as many as possible. Every infection with COVID, even the mild ones, increases your risk of major systemic damage from long COVID - brain damage, heart damage, lung damage, etc. I would like to avoid it if at all possible, and certainly want to limit the number of times my family and I are exposed to that risk.

Incremental reductions (or increases) in risk absolutely matter and can have a large ripple effect (exponential spread, anyone?). It's not black and white; our choices are not only the one extreme of total lockdown vs. the other extreme of no precautions/let 'er rip.

"Learning to live with COVID" doesn't mean "back to 2019". We actually have to do the LEARNING part.

But what tangible things are you proposing? You going to shut down our economy? Want us to be Shanghai?

Lock people in their apartments, starve them, take their babies away, and beat their pets to death. That's the dream state for some posters here.

Why are you not capable of an intelligent, nuanced conversation about this? Your ridiculous, exaggerated comments make you look like you can’t put forth any intelligent arguments. When challenged you just resort to these ridiculous statements. I feel like I’m watching Tucker Carlson.

There are posters here that believe leaving your house is irresponsible and not "decent". So they essentially and indirectly advocate for this type of extremism.

Who? Who is saying this?

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

This is just flat out wrong. Of COURSE we can prevent cases. Not all of them, no, but some of them, perhaps even most of them, absolutely. And even if cases stay below hospital capacity, it still is important to prevent as many as possible. Every infection with COVID, even the mild ones, increases your risk of major systemic damage from long COVID - brain damage, heart damage, lung damage, etc. I would like to avoid it if at all possible, and certainly want to limit the number of times my family and I are exposed to that risk.

Incremental reductions (or increases) in risk absolutely matter and can have a large ripple effect (exponential spread, anyone?). It's not black and white; our choices are not only the one extreme of total lockdown vs. the other extreme of no precautions/let 'er rip.

"Learning to live with COVID" doesn't mean "back to 2019". We actually have to do the LEARNING part.

But what tangible things are you proposing? You going to shut down our economy? Want us to be Shanghai?

Lock people in their apartments, starve them, take their babies away, and beat their pets to death. That's the dream state for some posters here.

+1. Zero COVID must be the goal. It's just as reasonable as Vision Zero.

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

Well, I'm not an expert, but in case you missed it, scores of actual experts disagree with the CDC's new metrics. Any one of us can take measures to try to "prevent" cases right now, and collectively we could all live our lives with some caution in a way that would minimize illness and disruption that comes if too many people get sick at the same time. We aren't in a major surge, and hopefully, we won't be, but with cases creeping back up, school, work, businesses, and health care will be disrupted again even if hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

Sure, there are scores of actual Covidian experts who touted the CDC and "following the science" until the CDC and "the science" stopped agreeing with them. Scores of other actual experts agree with the CDC's revised approach, which is taking the present reality into account.

And yes, you can try to "prevent" getting sick in the moment, at whatever cost you think is worth it. But you will likely catch it sooner or later anyway, and then the cost-benefit calculation for your precautions will look differently in hindsight. As long as hospitals aren't getting overwhelmed (and they rarely were during this pandemic), people can reasonably disagree whether it matters that large numbers of people test positive at the same time, and whether drawing it out would be a better idea. The CDC is clearly thinking along those lines.

The CDC is not following any science - it is making a policy decision, based in part on science about the circumstances in which mandatory public health measures should be imposed or at least considered. That's completely different from what is in the best interest of individuals or communities. The science isn't commanding as many people as possible to get infected with COVID right now. That's ridiculous. Every expert, every single one, is saying that it is better to avoid becoming infected in the first place. That's indisputable. The nuance, as you mention, is what you are willing to do avoid infection, and that depends on risk factors and risk assessment. There's no science that says don't wear a high-quality mask in crowded indoor spaces, or to try to be maskless in as many crowded indoor spaces as possible, preferably with people who are infected and contagious.

Public health experts also tout a healthy diet and regular exercise but don't require that everyone act accordingly. That doesn't mean that science shows that eating only processed food while on a couch 24/7 is the key to health.

It is a policy decision because you don't live in isolation. Ideally, no one gets COVID. That's not possible without draconian measures that would have devastating effects on our society. If you really want to live the COVID zero lifestyle, you need to move to China. Of course, even they are failing to prevent every single individual from COVID. So, obviously, China should take even more extreme measures. No one life should be lost to COVID, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of Natural immunity since so many people had covid at Christmas. Cases reporting is low because people aren’t getting PCR anymore. Hospitalizations will lag.

Hospitalizations and death rate is what really matters. Flu-like symptoms at home will always be around for susceptible individuals. Work to beef up your immunity if you want.

How do you “beef up” your immunity?

Staying locked at home. Not in taking sun (vitamin D). Consuming fast food and processed crap. Not doing exercise. Watching a LOT of tv, especially mainstream media hammering fear and paranoia non stop.

THATS EXACTLY HOW YOU BEEF UP YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM

And, what if we are doing those things? You cannot beef up your immune system and stop covid based off just eating better and taking vitamin D. Grow up.

Why don't you read articles about the benefits of vitamin D, sunshine, exercise, healthy food before dismissing it out of hand? Its not a "cure" for covid obviously, but a leading cause of covid mortality is obesity - so better exercise / not being overweight would be generally beneficial and increase survival odds. It probably would have made economic sense (to reduce hospitalization costs) if everyone could have been paid more to exercise during the pandemic.

Vitamin d is important but you are looking for drama when that’s not why people are getting Covid. You can be very healthy and get Covid.

And the statistical likelihood of COVID being anything other than a weak flu or bad cold like experience is essentially zero if you control for your own health and don’t have some condition not of your own making. That’s the truth.

The pandemic is over. Cower in the corner if you want. The rest of humanity is moving on.

There is no humanity with people like you. Personally I don't want a flu or bad cold...I dont get why you would.

So you’re going to wear a mask and face shield for the rest of your life so you don’t ever get a cold or the flu? Impressive! Let me know how that goes.

Actually, it's going really well. My allergies are better too. This is the healthiest I have been in years.

You’re probably less healthy than you think. If you’re not being exposed to all kinds of germs on a daily basis, you’re immune system is going to forget how to work. Good luck with that.

My virologist neighbor laughed when I told her your claim that the immune system is going to forget how to work. You must know something she doesn’t.

While “forgetting how to work” may have been a poor choice of words, I’d be shocked if your virologist neighbor didn’t think shielding yourself from all germs would have negative ramifications down the road.

Talked about that too and she didn’t put much stock into that and dismissed that claim.

NP. Virologists have been behind all sorts of non-evidence based recommendations during this pandemic, so I'll take anything they say with a grain of salt. Now if she was an immunologist, I'd be more interested, and I would be quite surprised if they thought eliminating all exposures to respiratory viruses for the rest of a young adult's life was a good idea.

Her spouse is an immunologist at the NIH and concurred.

Then they sound like a pretty shitty virologist and immunologist. Sorry.

Great come back. You think you know better than people who make a living doing this? Why bother going to the doctor - it seems like you know everything about the human body and disease from…? The medical textbooks you read? The dissertation you wrote? The years of clinical experience? The Boards you needed to take? Oh, that’s right. You didn’t do any of that, YOU just know from reading Twitter.

I m PP and I am a doctor. I just stopped replying because I lost the desire to debate this on an anonymous forum. But good comeback! *heading back to Twitter for my medical info that I didn’t get in school and residency, and continuing education courses*

(I know, I know, you don’t believe me. Ask me if I care.)

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

Well, I'm not an expert, but in case you missed it, scores of actual experts disagree with the CDC's new metrics. Any one of us can take measures to try to "prevent" cases right now, and collectively we could all live our lives with some caution in a way that would minimize illness and disruption that comes if too many people get sick at the same time. We aren't in a major surge, and hopefully, we won't be, but with cases creeping back up, school, work, businesses, and health care will be disrupted again even if hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

Sure, there are scores of actual Covidian experts who touted the CDC and "following the science" until the CDC and "the science" stopped agreeing with them. Scores of other actual experts agree with the CDC's revised approach, which is taking the present reality into account.

And yes, you can try to "prevent" getting sick in the moment, at whatever cost you think is worth it. But you will likely catch it sooner or later anyway, and then the cost-benefit calculation for your precautions will look differently in hindsight. As long as hospitals aren't getting overwhelmed (and they rarely were during this pandemic), people can reasonably disagree whether it matters that large numbers of people test positive at the same time, and whether drawing it out would be a better idea. The CDC is clearly thinking along those lines.

The CDC is not following any science - it is making a policy decision, based in part on science about the circumstances in which mandatory public health measures should be imposed or at least considered. That's completely different from what is in the best interest of individuals or communities. The science isn't commanding as many people as possible to get infected with COVID right now. That's ridiculous. Every expert, every single one, is saying that it is better to avoid becoming infected in the first place. That's indisputable. The nuance, as you mention, is what you are willing to do avoid infection, and that depends on risk factors and risk assessment. There's no science that says don't wear a high-quality mask in crowded indoor spaces, or to try to be maskless in as many crowded indoor spaces as possible, preferably with people who are infected and contagious.

Public health experts also tout a healthy diet and regular exercise but don't require that everyone act accordingly. That doesn't mean that science shows that eating only processed food while on a couch 24/7 is the key to health.

It is a policy decision because you don't live in isolation. Ideally, no one gets COVID. That's not possible without draconian measures that would have devastating effects on our society. If you really want to live the COVID zero lifestyle, you need to move to China. Of course, even they are failing to prevent every single individual from COVID. So, obviously, China should take even more extreme measures. No one life should be lost to COVID, right?

No one said anything about zero COVID. The post was about precautions to try to reduce your chances of becoming infected with COVID. Are you demanding that everyone stop taking precautions immediately? That's what it sounds like.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of Natural immunity since so many people had covid at Christmas. Cases reporting is low because people aren’t getting PCR anymore. Hospitalizations will lag.

Hospitalizations and death rate is what really matters. Flu-like symptoms at home will always be around for susceptible individuals. Work to beef up your immunity if you want.

How do you “beef up” your immunity?

Staying locked at home. Not in taking sun (vitamin D). Consuming fast food and processed crap. Not doing exercise. Watching a LOT of tv, especially mainstream media hammering fear and paranoia non stop.

THATS EXACTLY HOW YOU BEEF UP YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM

And, what if we are doing those things? You cannot beef up your immune system and stop covid based off just eating better and taking vitamin D. Grow up.

Why don't you read articles about the benefits of vitamin D, sunshine, exercise, healthy food before dismissing it out of hand? Its not a "cure" for covid obviously, but a leading cause of covid mortality is obesity - so better exercise / not being overweight would be generally beneficial and increase survival odds. It probably would have made economic sense (to reduce hospitalization costs) if everyone could have been paid more to exercise during the pandemic.

Vitamin d is important but you are looking for drama when that’s not why people are getting Covid. You can be very healthy and get Covid.

And the statistical likelihood of COVID being anything other than a weak flu or bad cold like experience is essentially zero if you control for your own health and don’t have some condition not of your own making. That’s the truth.

The pandemic is over. Cower in the corner if you want. The rest of humanity is moving on.

There is no humanity with people like you. Personally I don't want a flu or bad cold...I dont get why you would.

So you’re going to wear a mask and face shield for the rest of your life so you don’t ever get a cold or the flu? Impressive! Let me know how that goes.

Actually, it's going really well. My allergies are better too. This is the healthiest I have been in years.

You’re probably less healthy than you think. If you’re not being exposed to all kinds of germs on a daily basis, you’re immune system is going to forget how to work. Good luck with that.

My virologist neighbor laughed when I told her your claim that the immune system is going to forget how to work. You must know something she doesn’t.

While “forgetting how to work” may have been a poor choice of words, I’d be shocked if your virologist neighbor didn’t think shielding yourself from all germs would have negative ramifications down the road.

Talked about that too and she didn’t put much stock into that and dismissed that claim.

NP. Virologists have been behind all sorts of non-evidence based recommendations during this pandemic, so I'll take anything they say with a grain of salt. Now if she was an immunologist, I'd be more interested, and I would be quite surprised if they thought eliminating all exposures to respiratory viruses for the rest of a young adult's life was a good idea.

Her spouse is an immunologist at the NIH and concurred.

Then they sound like a pretty shitty virologist and immunologist. Sorry.

Great come back. You think you know better than people who make a living doing this? Why bother going to the doctor - it seems like you know everything about the human body and disease from…? The medical textbooks you read? The dissertation you wrote? The years of clinical experience? The Boards you needed to take? Oh, that’s right. You didn’t do any of that, YOU just know from reading Twitter.

I m PP and I am a doctor. I just stopped replying because I lost the desire to debate this on an anonymous forum. But good comeback! *heading back to Twitter for my medical info that I didn’t get in school and residency, and continuing education courses*

(I know, I know, you don’t believe me. Ask me if I care.)

Ask me if I care.

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

Well, I'm not an expert, but in case you missed it, scores of actual experts disagree with the CDC's new metrics. Any one of us can take measures to try to "prevent" cases right now, and collectively we could all live our lives with some caution in a way that would minimize illness and disruption that comes if too many people get sick at the same time. We aren't in a major surge, and hopefully, we won't be, but with cases creeping back up, school, work, businesses, and health care will be disrupted again even if hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

Sure, there are scores of actual Covidian experts who touted the CDC and "following the science" until the CDC and "the science" stopped agreeing with them. Scores of other actual experts agree with the CDC's revised approach, which is taking the present reality into account.

And yes, you can try to "prevent" getting sick in the moment, at whatever cost you think is worth it. But you will likely catch it sooner or later anyway, and then the cost-benefit calculation for your precautions will look differently in hindsight. As long as hospitals aren't getting overwhelmed (and they rarely were during this pandemic), people can reasonably disagree whether it matters that large numbers of people test positive at the same time, and whether drawing it out would be a better idea. The CDC is clearly thinking along those lines.

The CDC is not following any science - it is making a policy decision, based in part on science about the circumstances in which mandatory public health measures should be imposed or at least considered. That's completely different from what is in the best interest of individuals or communities. The science isn't commanding as many people as possible to get infected with COVID right now. That's ridiculous. Every expert, every single one, is saying that it is better to avoid becoming infected in the first place. That's indisputable. The nuance, as you mention, is what you are willing to do avoid infection, and that depends on risk factors and risk assessment. There's no science that says don't wear a high-quality mask in crowded indoor spaces, or to try to be maskless in as many crowded indoor spaces as possible, preferably with people who are infected and contagious.

Public health experts also tout a healthy diet and regular exercise but don't require that everyone act accordingly. That doesn't mean that science shows that eating only processed food while on a couch 24/7 is the key to health.

It is a policy decision because you don't live in isolation. Ideally, no one gets COVID. That's not possible without draconian measures that would have devastating effects on our society. If you really want to live the COVID zero lifestyle, you need to move to China. Of course, even they are failing to prevent every single individual from COVID. So, obviously, China should take even more extreme measures. No one life should be lost to COVID, right?

No one said anything about zero COVID. The post was about precautions to try to reduce your chances of becoming infected with COVID. Are you demanding that everyone stop taking precautions immediately? That's what it sounds like.

Are you demanding that everyone take precautions? Or that everybody is entitled to take precautions?

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of Natural immunity since so many people had covid at Christmas. Cases reporting is low because people aren’t getting PCR anymore. Hospitalizations will lag.

Hospitalizations and death rate is what really matters. Flu-like symptoms at home will always be around for susceptible individuals. Work to beef up your immunity if you want.

How do you “beef up” your immunity?

Staying locked at home. Not in taking sun (vitamin D). Consuming fast food and processed crap. Not doing exercise. Watching a LOT of tv, especially mainstream media hammering fear and paranoia non stop.

THATS EXACTLY HOW YOU BEEF UP YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM

And, what if we are doing those things? You cannot beef up your immune system and stop covid based off just eating better and taking vitamin D. Grow up.

Why don't you read articles about the benefits of vitamin D, sunshine, exercise, healthy food before dismissing it out of hand? Its not a "cure" for covid obviously, but a leading cause of covid mortality is obesity - so better exercise / not being overweight would be generally beneficial and increase survival odds. It probably would have made economic sense (to reduce hospitalization costs) if everyone could have been paid more to exercise during the pandemic.

Vitamin d is important but you are looking for drama when that’s not why people are getting Covid. You can be very healthy and get Covid.

And the statistical likelihood of COVID being anything other than a weak flu or bad cold like experience is essentially zero if you control for your own health and don’t have some condition not of your own making. That’s the truth.

The pandemic is over. Cower in the corner if you want. The rest of humanity is moving on.

There is no humanity with people like you. Personally I don't want a flu or bad cold...I dont get why you would.

So you’re going to wear a mask and face shield for the rest of your life so you don’t ever get a cold or the flu? Impressive! Let me know how that goes.

Actually, it's going really well. My allergies are better too. This is the healthiest I have been in years.

You’re probably less healthy than you think. If you’re not being exposed to all kinds of germs on a daily basis, you’re immune system is going to forget how to work. Good luck with that.

My virologist neighbor laughed when I told her your claim that the immune system is going to forget how to work. You must know something she doesn’t.

While “forgetting how to work” may have been a poor choice of words, I’d be shocked if your virologist neighbor didn’t think shielding yourself from all germs would have negative ramifications down the road.

Talked about that too and she didn’t put much stock into that and dismissed that claim.

NP. Virologists have been behind all sorts of non-evidence based recommendations during this pandemic, so I'll take anything they say with a grain of salt. Now if she was an immunologist, I'd be more interested, and I would be quite surprised if they thought eliminating all exposures to respiratory viruses for the rest of a young adult's life was a good idea.

Her spouse is an immunologist at the NIH and concurred.

Then they sound like a pretty shitty virologist and immunologist. Sorry.

Great come back. You think you know better than people who make a living doing this? Why bother going to the doctor - it seems like you know everything about the human body and disease from…? The medical textbooks you read? The dissertation you wrote? The years of clinical experience? The Boards you needed to take? Oh, that’s right. You didn’t do any of that, YOU just know from reading Twitter.

I m PP and I am a doctor. I just stopped replying because I lost the desire to debate this on an anonymous forum. But good comeback! *heading back to Twitter for my medical info that I didn’t get in school and residency, and continuing education courses*

(I know, I know, you don’t believe me. Ask me if I care.)

Which doctor do you play on tv?

[Anonymous]

We know three families who went to Disney last week and they now have COVID. Two in this area and friends from Westchester, NY.

Kids now out of school for 5-10 days (depends on jurisdiction). Have fun!

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

Well, I'm not an expert, but in case you missed it, scores of actual experts disagree with the CDC's new metrics. Any one of us can take measures to try to "prevent" cases right now, and collectively we could all live our lives with some caution in a way that would minimize illness and disruption that comes if too many people get sick at the same time. We aren't in a major surge, and hopefully, we won't be, but with cases creeping back up, school, work, businesses, and health care will be disrupted again even if hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

Sure, there are scores of actual Covidian experts who touted the CDC and "following the science" until the CDC and "the science" stopped agreeing with them. Scores of other actual experts agree with the CDC's revised approach, which is taking the present reality into account.

And yes, you can try to "prevent" getting sick in the moment, at whatever cost you think is worth it. But you will likely catch it sooner or later anyway, and then the cost-benefit calculation for your precautions will look differently in hindsight. As long as hospitals aren't getting overwhelmed (and they rarely were during this pandemic), people can reasonably disagree whether it matters that large numbers of people test positive at the same time, and whether drawing it out would be a better idea. The CDC is clearly thinking along those lines.

The CDC is not following any science - it is making a policy decision, based in part on science about the circumstances in which mandatory public health measures should be imposed or at least considered. That's completely different from what is in the best interest of individuals or communities. The science isn't commanding as many people as possible to get infected with COVID right now. That's ridiculous. Every expert, every single one, is saying that it is better to avoid becoming infected in the first place. That's indisputable. The nuance, as you mention, is what you are willing to do avoid infection, and that depends on risk factors and risk assessment. There's no science that says don't wear a high-quality mask in crowded indoor spaces, or to try to be maskless in as many crowded indoor spaces as possible, preferably with people who are infected and contagious.

Public health experts also tout a healthy diet and regular exercise but don't require that everyone act accordingly. That doesn't mean that science shows that eating only processed food while on a couch 24/7 is the key to health.

It is a policy decision because you don't live in isolation. Ideally, no one gets COVID. That's not possible without draconian measures that would have devastating effects on our society. If you really want to live the COVID zero lifestyle, you need to move to China. Of course, even they are failing to prevent every single individual from COVID. So, obviously, China should take even more extreme measures. No one life should be lost to COVID, right?

No one said anything about zero COVID. The post was about precautions to try to reduce your chances of becoming infected with COVID. Are you demanding that everyone stop taking precautions immediately? That's what it sounds like.

Are you demanding that everyone take precautions? Or that everybody is entitled to take precautions?

Anyone who wants to can take precautions like masking, avoiding indoor gatherings (that are not required for their employment), testing before indoor gatherings, etc.

In addition, everyone should follow public health advice about isolation if positive, masking for 10 days after a positive test, following advice for close contacts of positive cases, etc. There are still actions that need to be taken in response to COVID, regardless of your level of caution. These are not zero-Covid requirements, but what public health officials have determined to be reasonable actions to avoid spreading the virus.

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Anonymous wrote:We know three families who went to Disney last week and they now have COVID. Two in this area and friends from Westchester, NY.

Kids now out of school for 5-10 days (depends on jurisdiction). Have fun!

Going to Disney next weekend. Can’t wait!

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Anonymous wrote:From another thread:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/coronavirus/dashboard/

"Been tracking 4 cases and higher at schools. Normally the list is only 10 to 20 schools long.

MCPS data 4/19/22 reported 812 new cases in the past 10 days and 313 active quarantines. At this time, 41% of MCPS schools (86 out of 209) schools have 4 or more infections and 17 have 10 or more infections in the past 10 days. (Note that last week and this Monday was Spring break, so the last 10 days is really just yesterday and today?)"

As of 5:49 AM, 4/22, that number is slowly increasing. 1035 reported cases.

I know multiple people with covid right now.

And not a single peep about virtual. We've finally achieved end game. Feels great to be in this spot.

Mcps was clear all year that they would be ignoring Covid. We have not come close to the end game.

You do you. From my POV, it's finally over.

It’s far from over.

For you I suppose. For me, it's been over for quite a while, and it's great seeing other parts of society (schools, planes, etc.) getting on board with that.

So you don't care at all if large numbers of people become sick at the same time?

NP. Define "sick". Relatively few people are getting hospitalized these days.

That's the point. The CDC has chosen to focus on hospitalizations, ignoring the fact that increases in cases have ripple effects everywhere through worker absences, student absences, and continued spread throughout the community. I have a teen sick with COVID right now. He is missing an entire week of school, assuming that he feels better next week, which at this point, we don't know, because he's pretty sick. He will miss work all weekend, and all of us in the house run the risk of testing positive and missing more school and our work extending through next week.

You can pretend that cases don't matter, but each case disrupts more than just the life of the person infected.

Look, the point is that you cannot really "prevent" cases in the long run, you can only delay them. That's important if hospitals are getting overwhelmed ("flatten the curve"), but not otherwise. With the virus not going away, you will have to face the disruption of an infection eventually. The CDC has recognized this reality and therefore adjusted their metrics. I'm not sure why you think you know better than the CDC what's important.

Well, I'm not an expert, but in case you missed it, scores of actual experts disagree with the CDC's new metrics. Any one of us can take measures to try to "prevent" cases right now, and collectively we could all live our lives with some caution in a way that would minimize illness and disruption that comes if too many people get sick at the same time. We aren't in a major surge, and hopefully, we won't be, but with cases creeping back up, school, work, businesses, and health care will be disrupted again even if hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

Sure, there are scores of actual Covidian experts who touted the CDC and "following the science" until the CDC and "the science" stopped agreeing with them. Scores of other actual experts agree with the CDC's revised approach, which is taking the present reality into account.

And yes, you can try to "prevent" getting sick in the moment, at whatever cost you think is worth it. But you will likely catch it sooner or later anyway, and then the cost-benefit calculation for your precautions will look differently in hindsight. As long as hospitals aren't getting overwhelmed (and they rarely were during this pandemic), people can reasonably disagree whether it matters that large numbers of people test positive at the same time, and whether drawing it out would be a better idea. The CDC is clearly thinking along those lines.

The CDC is not following any science - it is making a policy decision, based in part on science about the circumstances in which mandatory public health measures should be imposed or at least considered. That's completely different from what is in the best interest of individuals or communities. The science isn't commanding as many people as possible to get infected with COVID right now. That's ridiculous. Every expert, every single one, is saying that it is better to avoid becoming infected in the first place. That's indisputable. The nuance, as you mention, is what you are willing to do avoid infection, and that depends on risk factors and risk assessment. There's no science that says don't wear a high-quality mask in crowded indoor spaces, or to try to be maskless in as many crowded indoor spaces as possible, preferably with people who are infected and contagious.

Public health experts also tout a healthy diet and regular exercise but don't require that everyone act accordingly. That doesn't mean that science shows that eating only processed food while on a couch 24/7 is the key to health.

It is a policy decision because you don't live in isolation. Ideally, no one gets COVID. That's not possible without draconian measures that would have devastating effects on our society. If you really want to live the COVID zero lifestyle, you need to move to China. Of course, even they are failing to prevent every single individual from COVID. So, obviously, China should take even more extreme measures. No one life should be lost to COVID, right?

No one said anything about zero COVID. The post was about precautions to try to reduce your chances of becoming infected with COVID. Are you demanding that everyone stop taking precautions immediately? That's what it sounds like.

Are you demanding that everyone take precautions? Or that everybody is entitled to take precautions?

Anyone who wants to can take precautions like masking, avoiding indoor gatherings (that are not required for their employment), testing before indoor gatherings, etc.

In addition, everyone should follow public health advice about isolation if positive, masking for 10 days after a positive test, following advice for close contacts of positive cases, etc. There are still actions that need to be taken in response to COVID, regardless of your level of caution. These are not zero-Covid requirements, but what public health officials have determined to be reasonable actions to avoid spreading the virus.

Nothing unreasonable about this. It's just there are some Covid hardliners here who are much more strict in what they want from others in the form of mandates, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:We know three families who went to Disney last week and they now have COVID. Two in this area and friends from Westchester, NY.

Kids now out of school for 5-10 days (depends on jurisdiction). Have fun!

Going to Disney next weekend. Can’t wait!

Okay, and?