Africans and blacks in Ukraine

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are economic migrants, they are bouncing from country to country, trying to find opportunities and ways to get to the west.

Is the west obligated to take them? Especially now, when they are dealing with actual war refugees?

Why aren't these mostly young and able-bodied people trying to make their own countries a better place?

A better question is “what did their governments do to evacuate and ensure the safety of their citizens?”

I hope we won’t find out that the Ukrainian government was actively blocking the efforts of various African nations to get their students out.

We have already found that out. Are you people not reading or watching the news? Ukrainians were pushing and pulling Africans off the buses that were evacuating major cities and then when these Africans made it to the border anyway, the Ukrainian police were preventing them from crossing borders to safety. What is a foreign government to do when its people are physically stopped from boarding the buses needed to get to safety and from crossing borders to get to their countries’ embassies? Should African nations have deployed troops to Ukraine to beat back Ukrainians?

If Americans were preventing foreigners from using the New York City subway and buses to make it to JFK and LGA airports, would you blame the foreigners’ governments or the Americans blocking the way out? What a stupid post.

This is incorrect. They were being told to go to specific locations along the border so they could be repatriated. Many checkpoints were set up to process Ukranian women and children who will be refugees. This was requested by neighboring countries so they could streamline and organize efforts.

This is literally a lie. The separate checkpoints happened only because Ukrainians were stopping people of color from leaving and were trying to get people of color killed. The separate checkpoints how to be created to address the bloodthirstiness and racism of Ukrainians trying to get people of color killed in a time of war.

I really do hope that anyone justifying this finds themselves in a life and death situation and succumbs because other people set you up. You deserve to experience what you’re justifying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP.

Can you think of any reasons why a lot more people may be interested in moving to London than to Ukraine? Any at all?

Most of the UK's diversity stems from its former colonies - Caribbean, South Asia, etc. Those groups then opened the doors to other immigrants to come to the UK - Africa, Eastern Europe, etc.

Ukraine never had colonies + they were behind the Iron Curtain for so long that they never developed diverse residency until the last 10-15 years.

It's also next door to to Russia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are economic migrants, they are bouncing from country to country, trying to find opportunities and ways to get to the west.

Is the west obligated to take them? Especially now, when they are dealing with actual war refugees?

Why aren't these mostly young and able-bodied people trying to make their own countries a better place?

A better question is “what did their governments do to evacuate and ensure the safety of their citizens?”

I hope we won’t find out that the Ukrainian government was actively blocking the efforts of various African nations to get their students out.

Please. This thing was less surprising than Hitler's blitzkreig into Poland. Would I stay in Kyviv with Putin when Putin was massing over 100,000 Russian troops on Ukraine's borders, note plural, 3 pronged prep for a blitzkreig. If a non-Ukrainian student in Kyiv where would I have thought those tanks could possibly be going from Belarus? Spain? Tanks and military vehicles ready to roll in. Hot conflict near Donetsk since 2014. February 17 was Kennedy Center cancellation day on the Russian Mariinsky. No big costumes and sets like it carted to Germany in December 2021.

Why didn't the African students leave earlier? In any event the ones that get out should have their accommodations paid for by their own government or out of their personal money - same for travel back to their own countries. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60555650

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60555650

I see. So, Ukrainians did shove Africans, Indians, Roma, and Middle Eastern students off trains and detain them at the border. But that’s OK in the casr of the African students because it’s the Africans’ fault for not leaving sooner.

I’m sure you agree then that the Ukrainians left in Kyiv also deserve whatever they get for not leaving sooner. Right?

No one deserves what is being done to Kyiv and those students should be allowed out. Should they get priority treatment over any who could not get out before? No. And yes they should have left. Nigeria is flying people out who got across borders https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220302-nigeria-to-airlift-hundreds-stranded-by-ukraine-crisis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are economic migrants, they are bouncing from country to country, trying to find opportunities and ways to get to the west.

Is the west obligated to take them? Especially now, when they are dealing with actual war refugees?

Why aren't these mostly young and able-bodied people trying to make their own countries a better place?

A better question is “what did their governments do to evacuate and ensure the safety of their citizens?”

I hope we won’t find out that the Ukrainian government was actively blocking the efforts of various African nations to get their students out.

We have already found that out. Are you people not reading or watching the news? Ukrainians were pushing and pulling Africans off the buses that were evacuating major cities and then when these Africans made it to the border anyway, the Ukrainian police were preventing them from crossing borders to safety. What is a foreign government to do when its people are physically stopped from boarding the buses needed to get to safety and from crossing borders to get to their countries’ embassies? Should African nations have deployed troops to Ukraine to beat back Ukrainians?

If Americans were preventing foreigners from using the New York City subway and buses to make it to JFK and LGA airports, would you blame the foreigners’ governments or the Americans blocking the way out? What a stupid post.

This is incorrect. They were being told to go to specific locations along the border so they could be repatriated. Many checkpoints were set up to process Ukranian women and children who will be refugees. This was requested by neighboring countries so they could streamline and organize efforts.

This is literally a lie. The separate checkpoints happened only because Ukrainians were stopping people of color from leaving and were trying to get people of color killed. The separate checkpoints how to be created to address the bloodthirstiness and racism of Ukrainians trying to get people of color killed in a time of war.

I really do hope that anyone justifying this finds themselves in a life and death situation and succumbs because other people set you up. You deserve to experience what you’re justifying.

DP

"Literally a lie?" No.

That LITERALLY makes no sense. Ukrainian border guards would have absolutely zero reason for stopping foreigners from leaving. If anything Polish border guards might want to prevent people from entering. But leave? No. No rationale whatsoever.

I really do hope that anyone earnestly believing nonsensical claims that do not hold up to even light scrutiny, and make no logical or rational sense get a clue some day.

[Anonymous]

Indians are being seriously discriminated against in Ukraine too. They make up 25% of Ukraine's international student population, and they were extorted, threatened, and verbally abused by Ukranian border guards when they tried to cross in Romania.

Maybe the Ukranians deserve Putin after all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Indians are being seriously discriminated against in Ukraine too. They make up 25% of Ukraine's international student population, and they were extorted, threatened, and verbally abused by Ukranian border guards when they tried to cross in Romania.

Maybe the Ukranians deserve Putin after all.

So ... do you know how India has responded to this crisis?

[Anonymous]

Lost a ton of sympathy for Ukraine as I read about the 19th century-level racism there. Any PPs who think this news is "nonsensical" needs to get their heads out of their asses.

Telling non-white students that they have to walk because they're Black, or telling non-white students to wait to cross the border after Ukrainian PETS, is something straight out of a colonial playbook. Unacceptable.

Admittedly, it's dampered my enthusiastic support for Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Indians are being seriously discriminated against in Ukraine too. They make up 25% of Ukraine's international student population, and they were extorted, threatened, and verbally abused by Ukranian border guards when they tried to cross in Romania.

Maybe the Ukranians deserve Putin after all.

So ... do you know how India has responded to this crisis?

Yep. They stayed neutral. Which makes sense, since Ukraine has historically not supported India, most recently on the Security Council seat.

Let me get this straight. You're comparing political positions to naked racism?

I know there's a lot of anti-India racism on DCUM, but this takes the cake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Indians are being seriously discriminated against in Ukraine too. They make up 25% of Ukraine's international student population, and they were extorted, threatened, and verbally abused by Ukranian border guards when they tried to cross in Romania.

Maybe the Ukranians deserve Putin after all.

So ... do you know how India has responded to this crisis?

Yep. They stayed neutral. Which makes sense, since Ukraine has historically not supported India, most recently on the Security Council seat.

Let me get this straight. You're comparing political positions to naked racism?

I know there's a lot of anti-India racism on DCUM, but this takes the cake.

Okay. Political positions are important to Ukrainians right now. Since people with some political positions are shelling them with bombs. And people with other political positions are sending them antitank weapons. It may seem strange here, but it's a bit different there.

After all, you just said maybe they deserve Putin. Because of your political position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are economic migrants, they are bouncing from country to country, trying to find opportunities and ways to get to the west.

Is the west obligated to take them? Especially now, when they are dealing with actual war refugees?

Why aren't these mostly young and able-bodied people trying to make their own countries a better place?

A better question is “what did their governments do to evacuate and ensure the safety of their citizens?”

I hope we won’t find out that the Ukrainian government was actively blocking the efforts of various African nations to get their students out.

We have already found that out. Are you people not reading or watching the news? Ukrainians were pushing and pulling Africans off the buses that were evacuating major cities and then when these Africans made it to the border anyway, the Ukrainian police were preventing them from crossing borders to safety. What is a foreign government to do when its people are physically stopped from boarding the buses needed to get to safety and from crossing borders to get to their countries’ embassies? Should African nations have deployed troops to Ukraine to beat back Ukrainians?

If Americans were preventing foreigners from using the New York City subway and buses to make it to JFK and LGA airports, would you blame the foreigners’ governments or the Americans blocking the way out? What a stupid post.

This is incorrect. They were being told to go to specific locations along the border so they could be repatriated. Many checkpoints were set up to process Ukranian women and children who will be refugees. This was requested by neighboring countries so they could streamline and organize efforts.

This is literally a lie. The separate checkpoints happened only because Ukrainians were stopping people of color from leaving and were trying to get people of color killed. The separate checkpoints how to be created to address the bloodthirstiness and racism of Ukrainians trying to get people of color killed in a time of war.

I really do hope that anyone justifying this finds themselves in a life and death situation and succumbs because other people set you up. You deserve to experience what you’re justifying.

DP

"Literally a lie?" No.

That LITERALLY makes no sense. Ukrainian border guards would have absolutely zero reason for stopping foreigners from leaving. If anything Polish border guards might want to prevent people from entering. But leave? No. No rationale whatsoever.

I really do hope that anyone earnestly believing nonsensical claims that do not hold up to even light scrutiny, and make no logical or rational sense get a clue some day.

The reason is racism, you white supremacist apologist dipshit. Have you heard of it before? It’s that feeling in your heart. Racism, you racist. Countless news reports and credible eyewitness accounts WITH VIDEO and you think you’re going to sit here and just pretend Ukrainians aren’t enforcing a racial apartheid in the middle of this war? Kick rocks!

[Anonymous]

The stories of racism are horrific. From OpenDemocracy:

In the past week, African, Asian and Caribbean people, many of whom are students, have shared reports and footage of themselves being prevented from leaving the country. Some told openDemocracy they had witnessed students being assaulted and others left needing emergency treatment for hypothermia after being barred for days from crossing borders.

Muhammad, 23, and Jayesh, 21, are two of the 18,000 Indian students who were stranded in Ukraine when Russian troops invaded last week. When their flights were cancelled, they tried to make their way out through a land border.

On Friday, they took a taxi from Lviv with a group of students from the city's National Medical University to the village of Shehyni, where there is a border crossing to Poland. They were stopped at a checkpoint by Ukrainian guards about four miles from the border.

At the checkpoint, Muhammed found there were hundreds of foreign students stuck there, some also from India, as well as others from Pakistan, Nepal and several African countries. They were separated from Ukrainians, who, Muhammed said, were the only people being let through.

“The Ukrainians were going through with their dogs and cats. Even they were treated better than the Indian students,” he said.

The pair said checkpoint guards became violent when attempting to control the crowd, pushing people back and pointing guns at students. “When one woman fell to the ground, a guard dragged her by hair,” said Jayesh, who is from Mumbai.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/stranded-indian-students-watched-as-ukrainian-pets-crossed-border-to-safety/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Indians are being seriously discriminated against in Ukraine too. They make up 25% of Ukraine's international student population, and they were extorted, threatened, and verbally abused by Ukranian border guards when they tried to cross in Romania.

Maybe the Ukranians deserve Putin after all.

+1. Maybe Putin is their karma. *Shrug*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lost a ton of sympathy for Ukraine as I read about the 19th century-level racism there. Any PPs who think this news is "nonsensical" needs to get their heads out of their asses.

Telling non-white students that they have to walk because they're Black, or telling non-white students to wait to cross the border after Ukrainian PETS, is something straight out of a colonial playbook. Unacceptable.

Admittedly, it's dampered my enthusiastic support for Ukraine.

+1 . These stories and the strong ties to Neo Nazis. I'm pretty lukewarm now and don't see either side as good guys

Hopefully the US can get out of this relatively unscathed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Indians are being seriously discriminated against in Ukraine too. They make up 25% of Ukraine's international student population, and they were extorted, threatened, and verbally abused by Ukranian border guards when they tried to cross in Romania.

Maybe the Ukranians deserve Putin after all.

So ... do you know how India has responded to this crisis?

Yep. They stayed neutral. Which makes sense, since Ukraine has historically not supported India, most recently on the Security Council seat.

Let me get this straight. You're comparing political positions to naked racism?

I know there's a lot of anti-India racism on DCUM, but this takes the cake.

Okay. Political positions are important to Ukrainians right now. Since people with some political positions are shelling them with bombs. And people with other political positions are sending them antitank weapons. It may seem strange here, but it's a bit different there.

After all, you just said maybe they deserve Putin. Because of your political position.

Nice gaslighting there. I said maybe they deserve Putin because of their racism.

[Anonymous]

The Ukrainians who have chosen to stay and fight for their homeland are the heroes!

SLAVA UKRAINI (Glory to Ukraine!)

F#ck Putin and f#ck you if you speak ill of them!