Africans and blacks in Ukraine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are economic migrants, they are bouncing from country to country, trying to find opportunities and ways to get to the west.

Is the west obligated to take them? Especially now, when they are dealing with actual war refugees?

Why aren't these mostly young and able-bodied people trying to make their own countries a better place?

So ignorant. Some are students.

Some are students. Most are illegal economic immigrants.

Most are students.

Ukraine is not tolerant towards illegal immigrants like EU countries. And the standard of living in the Ukraine is not that much better than their home countries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DP.

Some observations:

There's a black american in Ukraine who has been covering the invasion for The Root, CNN, etc. Terrell something? He's listed in other dcum threads. He is staying. He seems to have a lot of local friends who are fighting in the resistance. He hasn't discussed racism. He seems like a happy resident fully enmeshed in the local culture.

I did however notice CNN coverage of people fleeing Ukraine yesterday in cars and on foot. Despite the fact that men of a certain age aren't allowed to leave (at least that's what I heard), I saw a lot of men of color walking with suitcases in an effort to cross the border and get the heck out of dodge.

Here's what I know about the region--including Poland: it's very, very white. The US is far more colorful and diverse, and our racism pales in comparison to the overt white nationalist movement in Poland specifically.

I tend to agree with a PP that most non-whites in Ukraine are economic migrants without real connection with or loyalty to Ukraine. They're just looking for a safe place to live and work; this isn't their fight. Can't say I blame them.

As Michael Che said last night on SNL, it's weird to see a country invading a white country. Very unusual. I suspect many of the people of color fleeing Ukraine have BTDT in unstable countries and just want to find a better place to settle.

If you think it’s weird to see white countries invading white countries, you are a true idiot. I suggest you better acquaint yourself with the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These folks have had two weeks notice to get out. Ukraine is fighting a war of aggression. It owes nothing to foreign nationals who decided to stay until the last possible second and are now want their host country to divert resources to ensure their safety. They can take up a gun and fight, or they can hunker down.

+1

The OP is hard to trust anyway - no links or citations, just a sulky, reactionary couple lines. I can't stand these self-righteous 12-year olds.

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[Anonymous]

Wow…there are over 80K international students studying in Ukraine.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/students-stranded-ukraine-nigeria-india-iran-1312509/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are economic migrants, they are bouncing from country to country, trying to find opportunities and ways to get to the west.

Is the west obligated to take them? Especially now, when they are dealing with actual war refugees?

Why aren't these mostly young and able-bodied people trying to make their own countries a better place?

So ignorant. Some are students.

Some are students. Most are illegal economic immigrants.

Most are students.

Ukraine is not tolerant towards illegal immigrants like EU countries. And the standard of living in the Ukraine is not that much better than their home countries.

But, the sad irony is that I now spend a lot of time watching Ukraine videos, and the non-destroyed parts look like Belgium. The roads generally look better than ours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are economic migrants, they are bouncing from country to country, trying to find opportunities and ways to get to the west.

Is the west obligated to take them? Especially now, when they are dealing with actual war refugees?

Why aren't these mostly young and able-bodied people trying to make their own countries a better place?

So ignorant. Some are students.

Some are students. Most are illegal economic immigrants.

+1 The students have legitimate documents and should not have any problems with officials. It's the migrants who are having the issues.

[Anonymous]

South Asians are also experiencing problems evacuating Ukraine.

[Anonymous]

War is ugly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are economic migrants, they are bouncing from country to country, trying to find opportunities and ways to get to the west.

Is the west obligated to take them? Especially now, when they are dealing with actual war refugees?

Why aren't these mostly young and able-bodied people trying to make their own countries a better place?

So ignorant. Some are students.

Some are students. Most are illegal economic immigrants.

Most are students.

Ukraine is not tolerant towards illegal immigrants like EU countries. And the standard of living in the Ukraine is not that much better than their home countries.

But, the sad irony is that I now spend a lot of time watching Ukraine videos, and the non-destroyed parts look like Belgium. The roads generally look better than ours.

Yep.

People are also way less overweight and look less “weird”.

More normal hair cuts and hair colors, less volume of tattoos (I know tats are big in Eastern Europe but it’s just gone overboard in the us)

[Anonymous]

Are they letting out any men between the ages of 18-60?

[Anonymous]

War is ugly.

It's kind of like a pandemic. It exposes the best and the worst of mankind.

[Anonymous]

Be careful what you believe on social media. Lots of disinformation and propaganda floating around.

And, some of the photos being posted are years old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ukrainian border guards are prioritizing Ukrainian citizens in border crossing. It’s not clear in the reporting I’ve seen how differently British or French nationals, say, are being treated than citizens of African countries.

+1. Ukrainians can qualify for refugee status, and go through a different process. Anyone who is not Ukrainian does not qualify for refugee status because they have another country to which they legally can return (even if, from a practical standpoint, they cannot because they did not leave sooner). Those who do not qualify for refugee status have to go through a different process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just saw video of how the African and black students are being treated trying to escape .
As an African American screw you Ukraine and Poland.

Sure, Ivan

[Anonymous]

Looking like false outrage and a likely fake story. Turns out there is footage showing people of all colors. It's not racism, it's limited capacity.