Africans and blacks in Ukraine

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The end of that tweet, which is cut off on this page, says that "under Martial Law, if you miss instructions, you will run into issues. If you are given an exit and go to the wrong exit, chances are you will have to wait your turn."

Geneva convention says no.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you ladies aware of some significant push from African or Asian countries to immigrate to Ukraine or Poland? The weather is too cold, the countries are not rich enough to lure the masses with social benefits. What are they to do, to become more diverse for DCUMs liking?

'Diversity' is the magic word in the United States, but do realize - in many places of the world, the lack of diversity is actually a sign of no colonial past, which, I would say, is not something to hold against a country.

When you come down from whatever meds you’re abusing, try reading the thread. We know you really hate diversity and never miss a chance to rant about it, but you sound positively crazy thrashing at points no one has made.

A pp literally said "The fact that their demographics are overwhelmingly white should indicate that their immigration policies are aimed at keeping their country white." Completely ignoring Ukranian history which, as pp pointed out, does not include colonialism or a slave trade. It's incredibly American-centric to expect every European country to match the demographics of the US.

Americans are so brainwashed about diversity and have zero understanding of European history.

“Brainwashed” in what sense? That’s three major unsupported generalizations in one short sentence.

I’ll push this back on you. Why would pp expect Ukraine to be anything but overwhelmingly white? It’s their native population.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you ladies aware of some significant push from African or Asian countries to immigrate to Ukraine or Poland? The weather is too cold, the countries are not rich enough to lure the masses with social benefits. What are they to do, to become more diverse for DCUMs liking?

'Diversity' is the magic word in the United States, but do realize - in many places of the world, the lack of diversity is actually a sign of no colonial past, which, I would say, is not something to hold against a country.

When you come down from whatever meds you’re abusing, try reading the thread. We know you really hate diversity and never miss a chance to rant about it, but you sound positively crazy thrashing at points no one has made.

A pp literally said "The fact that their demographics are overwhelmingly white should indicate that their immigration policies are aimed at keeping their country white." Completely ignoring Ukranian history which, as pp pointed out, does not include colonialism or a slave trade. It's incredibly American-centric to expect every European country to match the demographics of the US.

Americans are so brainwashed about diversity and have zero understanding of European history.

“Brainwashed” in what sense? That’s three major unsupported generalizations in one short sentence.

I’ll push this back on you. Why would pp expect Ukraine to be anything but overwhelmingly white? It’s their native population.

London was overwhelmingly white in the 1980s. It’s far more diverse now. Why? Shifts in immigration policy and a more inviting environment.

Ukraine, Poland, Russia, etc. remain overwhelmingly white. Why? No shift in immigration policy and no inviting environment.

Everyone realizes that unlike the US, Eastern Europe has been very white. It’s remained that way by design. While the rest of the world is mixing, some countries take great pain to prevent diversity.

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That’s the point.

Russia is literally trying to rebuild a Russian empire. A white, Russian-speaking empire.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you ladies aware of some significant push from African or Asian countries to immigrate to Ukraine or Poland? The weather is too cold, the countries are not rich enough to lure the masses with social benefits. What are they to do, to become more diverse for DCUMs liking?

'Diversity' is the magic word in the United States, but do realize - in many places of the world, the lack of diversity is actually a sign of no colonial past, which, I would say, is not something to hold against a country.

When you come down from whatever meds you’re abusing, try reading the thread. We know you really hate diversity and never miss a chance to rant about it, but you sound positively crazy thrashing at points no one has made.

A pp literally said "The fact that their demographics are overwhelmingly white should indicate that their immigration policies are aimed at keeping their country white." Completely ignoring Ukranian history which, as pp pointed out, does not include colonialism or a slave trade. It's incredibly American-centric to expect every European country to match the demographics of the US.

Americans are so brainwashed about diversity and have zero understanding of European history.

“Brainwashed” in what sense? That’s three major unsupported generalizations in one short sentence.

I’ll push this back on you. Why would pp expect Ukraine to be anything but overwhelmingly white? It’s their native population.

London was overwhelmingly white in the 1980s. It’s far more diverse now. Why? Shifts in immigration policy and a more inviting environment.

Ukraine, Poland, Russia, etc. remain overwhelmingly white. Why? No shift in immigration policy and no inviting environment.

Everyone realizes that unlike the US, Eastern Europe has been very white. It’s remained that way by design. While the rest of the world is mixing, some countries take great pain to prevent diversity.

Translation: benefits.

[Anonymous]

DP.

Can you think of any reasons why a lot more people may be interested in moving to London than to Ukraine? Any at all?

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Can you think of any reasons why a lot more people may be interested in moving to London than to Ukraine? Any at all?

Most of the UK's diversity stems from its former colonies - Caribbean, South Asia, etc. Those groups then opened the doors to other immigrants to come to the UK - Africa, Eastern Europe, etc.

Ukraine never had colonies + they were behind the Iron Curtain for so long that they never developed diverse residency until the last 10-15 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you ladies aware of some significant push from African or Asian countries to immigrate to Ukraine or Poland? The weather is too cold, the countries are not rich enough to lure the masses with social benefits. What are they to do, to become more diverse for DCUMs liking?

'Diversity' is the magic word in the United States, but do realize - in many places of the world, the lack of diversity is actually a sign of no colonial past, which, I would say, is not something to hold against a country.

When you come down from whatever meds you’re abusing, try reading the thread. We know you really hate diversity and never miss a chance to rant about it, but you sound positively crazy thrashing at points no one has made.

A pp literally said "The fact that their demographics are overwhelmingly white should indicate that their immigration policies are aimed at keeping their country white." Completely ignoring Ukranian history which, as pp pointed out, does not include colonialism or a slave trade. It's incredibly American-centric to expect every European country to match the demographics of the US.

Americans are so brainwashed about diversity and have zero understanding of European history.

“Brainwashed” in what sense? That’s three major unsupported generalizations in one short sentence.

I’ll push this back on you. Why would pp expect Ukraine to be anything but overwhelmingly white? It’s their native population.

^^What a stupid bait and switch this entire preceding set of comments is.

You are debating Ukraine and diversity because you don’t want to face the real point of the thread: Ukrainians were pushing Africans out of trains and preventing Africans from leaving the country in a time of war. There’s no excuse for that. It was naked racism and hate and it complicates the American narrative about innocent, brave Ukrainians. The fact is that hate has a place in that country and their treatment of innocent civilians of color from countries that aren’t at war with Ukraine is a smoking gun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They are economic migrants, they are bouncing from country to country, trying to find opportunities and ways to get to the west.

Is the west obligated to take them? Especially now, when they are dealing with actual war refugees?

Why aren't these mostly young and able-bodied people trying to make their own countries a better place?

A better question is “what did their governments do to evacuate and ensure the safety of their citizens?”

I hope we won’t find out that the Ukrainian government was actively blocking the efforts of various African nations to get their students out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are economic migrants, they are bouncing from country to country, trying to find opportunities and ways to get to the west.

Is the west obligated to take them? Especially now, when they are dealing with actual war refugees?

Why aren't these mostly young and able-bodied people trying to make their own countries a better place?

A better question is “what did their governments do to evacuate and ensure the safety of their citizens?”

I hope we won’t find out that the Ukrainian government was actively blocking the efforts of various African nations to get their students out.

Even if we don’t, I am sure you will keep promoting that speculation anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are economic migrants, they are bouncing from country to country, trying to find opportunities and ways to get to the west.

Is the west obligated to take them? Especially now, when they are dealing with actual war refugees?

Why aren't these mostly young and able-bodied people trying to make their own countries a better place?

A better question is “what did their governments do to evacuate and ensure the safety of their citizens?”

I hope we won’t find out that the Ukrainian government was actively blocking the efforts of various African nations to get their students out.

We have already found that out. Are you people not reading or watching the news? Ukrainians were pushing and pulling Africans off the buses that were evacuating major cities and then when these Africans made it to the border anyway, the Ukrainian police were preventing them from crossing borders to safety. What is a foreign government to do when its people are physically stopped from boarding the buses needed to get to safety and from crossing borders to get to their countries’ embassies? Should African nations have deployed troops to Ukraine to beat back Ukrainians?

If Americans were preventing foreigners from using the New York City subway and buses to make it to JFK and LGA airports, would you blame the foreigners’ governments or the Americans blocking the way out? What a stupid post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are economic migrants, they are bouncing from country to country, trying to find opportunities and ways to get to the west.

Is the west obligated to take them? Especially now, when they are dealing with actual war refugees?

Why aren't these mostly young and able-bodied people trying to make their own countries a better place?

A better question is “what did their governments do to evacuate and ensure the safety of their citizens?”

I hope we won’t find out that the Ukrainian government was actively blocking the efforts of various African nations to get their students out.

We have already found that out. Are you people not reading or watching the news? Ukrainians were pushing and pulling Africans off the buses that were evacuating major cities and then when these Africans made it to the border anyway, the Ukrainian police were preventing them from crossing borders to safety. What is a foreign government to do when its people are physically stopped from boarding the buses needed to get to safety and from crossing borders to get to their countries’ embassies? Should African nations have deployed troops to Ukraine to beat back Ukrainians?

If Americans were preventing foreigners from using the New York City subway and buses to make it to JFK and LGA airports, would you blame the foreigners’ governments or the Americans blocking the way out? What a stupid post.

This is incorrect. They were being told to go to specific locations along the border so they could be repatriated. Many checkpoints were set up to process Ukranian women and children who will be refugees. This was requested by neighboring countries so they could streamline and organize efforts.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP.

Can you think of any reasons why a lot more people may be interested in moving to London than to Ukraine? Any at all?

Most of the UK's diversity stems from its former colonies - Caribbean, South Asia, etc. Those groups then opened the doors to other immigrants to come to the UK - Africa, Eastern Europe, etc.

Ukraine never had colonies + they were behind the Iron Curtain for so long that they never developed diverse residency until the last 10-15 years.

Opened their doors? Have you read how immigrants and refugees are being treated trying to get to Europe and after they get there?

Diversity in Europe - particularly England is more akin to chickens coming home to roost. You can't go around conquering the world and then not expect the world to show up at your doorstep.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They are economic migrants, they are bouncing from country to country, trying to find opportunities and ways to get to the west.

Is the west obligated to take them? Especially now, when they are dealing with actual war refugees?

Why aren't these mostly young and able-bodied people trying to make their own countries a better place?

A better question is “what did their governments do to evacuate and ensure the safety of their citizens?”

I hope we won’t find out that the Ukrainian government was actively blocking the efforts of various African nations to get their students out.

Please. This thing was less surprising than Hitler's blitzkreig into Poland. Would I stay in Kyviv with Putin when Putin was massing over 100,000 Russian troops on Ukraine's borders, note plural, 3 pronged prep for a blitzkreig. If a non-Ukrainian student in Kyiv where would I have thought those tanks could possibly be going from Belarus? Spain? Tanks and military vehicles ready to roll in. Hot conflict near Donetsk since 2014. February 17 was Kennedy Center cancellation day on the Russian Mariinsky. No big costumes and sets like it carted to Germany in December 2021.

Why didn't the African students leave earlier? In any event the ones that get out should have their accommodations paid for by their own government or out of their personal money - same for travel back to their own countries. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60555650

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60555650

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They are economic migrants, they are bouncing from country to country, trying to find opportunities and ways to get to the west.

Is the west obligated to take them? Especially now, when they are dealing with actual war refugees?

Why aren't these mostly young and able-bodied people trying to make their own countries a better place?

A better question is “what did their governments do to evacuate and ensure the safety of their citizens?”

I hope we won’t find out that the Ukrainian government was actively blocking the efforts of various African nations to get their students out.

Please. This thing was less surprising than Hitler's blitzkreig into Poland. Would I stay in Kyviv with Putin when Putin was massing over 100,000 Russian troops on Ukraine's borders, note plural, 3 pronged prep for a blitzkreig. If a non-Ukrainian student in Kyiv where would I have thought those tanks could possibly be going from Belarus? Spain? Tanks and military vehicles ready to roll in. Hot conflict near Donetsk since 2014. February 17 was Kennedy Center cancellation day on the Russian Mariinsky. No big costumes and sets like it carted to Germany in December 2021.

Why didn't the African students leave earlier? In any event the ones that get out should have their accommodations paid for by their own government or out of their personal money - same for travel back to their own countries. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60555650

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60555650

I see. So, Ukrainians did shove Africans, Indians, Roma, and Middle Eastern students off trains and detain them at the border. But that’s OK in the casr of the African students because it’s the Africans’ fault for not leaving sooner.

I’m sure you agree then that the Ukrainians left in Kyiv also deserve whatever they get for not leaving sooner. Right?