Africans and blacks in Ukraine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My armchair guess as to these videos of African or Indian people being turned away on trains is that, if true, is very sad and fked up, but is also being used a Russian propaganda to bolster support for their purported campaign to “denazify” the Ukraine. Also, Russian and malign actors are aware of America’s current heightened interest in assessing racial disparities as a result of the racial reckoning we’re seeing nationwide. They probably want to drum up better sentiment for their war campaign based on these types of videos and to sow doubt and unrest.

Or…and hear me out here.. Maybe there are places that are more racist in the United States and some liberals can finally admit that

However; the people of these countries are under no obligation to take in any refugees regardless of color.

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Anonymous wrote:How dare anyone call out racism in another country! Ukrainians are fleeing for their lives. Focus on what matters!

See this is what gets me. These posters who insist that we should focus on that. When will these people understand that it is not just Ukrainians fleeing for their lives, but other nationalities too and they don't deserve racist treatment when they could also lose their lives. How is it okay that women who came early for the train were asked to wait for 7 hours and then turned away, all while watching Ukrainians board the train. Their lives matter too.

In the videos posted above of the economic refugees, I see more men than women, very few children. These people have already given up on their native land, going from country to country to improve themselves economically. Ukrainians, on the other hand, are fleeing from a war-torn country, mostly women and children. Even when men are escorting them, the report is that many of these men are escorting their wives and children to safety - only to return to Ukraine at the Polish border to join the war effort.

OP, if you truly care about the plight of these economic migrants/refugees as you claim, you, too, can do your part. Join in their cause, help them resettle, send your support, money, resources to their embassies that are coordinating the resettlement.

The reason you don't see children is because these are students who have gone there to study - they are not moving from country to country after giving up on their native land like you claim. They have gone there because the education is cheaper. You can argue all you want, but not letting them (the women) board the train because they are black or brown is not okay.

I think we need more than this one video to confirm that these students were not allowed to board the train purely because of their skin color. To be fair, this is a very polarizing and emotion-stirring subject, and likely could be propaganda or exaggerated to stir emotions. This is done by BOTH sides of every conflict, and we are witnessing this "sainting" of Ukraine and its hero-leader as if "their shit don't stink". I am sure there is plenty of internal problems Ukraine has had since they went independent and their own people aren't as united as is presented to the outside world, there are nazi groups, there are pro-russian groups likely too. But to be the "devil's advocate here.. there was an article that these students were not allowed to board because of this being a wrong train, they had tickets for another train supposedly, so were denied boarding. It's likely that they had a group booking and were together, so when they were denied boarding, it looked like they were singled out and discrminated against. Any of you can find this info if interested, it's not as clear cut as what usually makes things trend on Twitter..

Goodness gracious. How many apologists are going to slide into this thread trying to lie about events the UN and governments surrounding Ukraine have already acknowledged happened? It wasn’t just men being pulled off trains and it wasn’t just one train. It was people from India, Nigeria, and countries all over the Middle East — literally everyone nonwhite, whether male or female, being pulled off trains by Ukrainians. Furthermore, those POC who made it to the border of Ukraine with various countries were detained by Ukrainian civilians and law enforcement for SEVERAL days OUTSIDE in freezing conditions without shelter or food. Women of colors with babies were treated the same way as the men. Many had hypothermia and were in varying degrees of physical and emotional distress. Just astonishing cruelty.

Yeah. Why did Russia start a war in Ukraine in the winter? They should've waited for the summer. Then refugees and foreign nationals could get heat sick instead of hypothermia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My armchair guess as to these videos of African or Indian people being turned away on trains is that, if true, is very sad and fked up, but is also being used a Russian propaganda to bolster support for their purported campaign to “denazify” the Ukraine. Also, Russian and malign actors are aware of America’s current heightened interest in assessing racial disparities as a result of the racial reckoning we’re seeing nationwide. They probably want to drum up better sentiment for their war campaign based on these types of videos and to sow doubt and unrest.

Or…and hear me out here.. Maybe there are places that are more racist in the United States and some liberals can finally admit that

However; the people of these countries are under no obligation to take in any refugees regardless of color.

Baby Jesus weeps. Americans’ ignorance of international law and treaties is astonishing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How dare anyone call out racism in another country! Ukrainians are fleeing for their lives. Focus on what matters!

See this is what gets me. These posters who insist that we should focus on that. When will these people understand that it is not just Ukrainians fleeing for their lives, but other nationalities too and they don't deserve racist treatment when they could also lose their lives. How is it okay that women who came early for the train were asked to wait for 7 hours and then turned away, all while watching Ukrainians board the train. Their lives matter too.

In the videos posted above of the economic refugees, I see more men than women, very few children. These people have already given up on their native land, going from country to country to improve themselves economically. Ukrainians, on the other hand, are fleeing from a war-torn country, mostly women and children. Even when men are escorting them, the report is that many of these men are escorting their wives and children to safety - only to return to Ukraine at the Polish border to join the war effort.

OP, if you truly care about the plight of these economic migrants/refugees as you claim, you, too, can do your part. Join in their cause, help them resettle, send your support, money, resources to their embassies that are coordinating the resettlement.

The reason you don't see children is because these are students who have gone there to study - they are not moving from country to country after giving up on their native land like you claim. They have gone there because the education is cheaper. You can argue all you want, but not letting them (the women) board the train because they are black or brown is not okay.

I think we need more than this one video to confirm that these students were not allowed to board the train purely because of their skin color. To be fair, this is a very polarizing and emotion-stirring subject, and likely could be propaganda or exaggerated to stir emotions. This is done by BOTH sides of every conflict, and we are witnessing this "sainting" of Ukraine and its hero-leader as if "their shit don't stink". I am sure there is plenty of internal problems Ukraine has had since they went independent and their own people aren't as united as is presented to the outside world, there are nazi groups, there are pro-russian groups likely too. But to be the "devil's advocate here.. there was an article that these students were not allowed to board because of this being a wrong train, they had tickets for another train supposedly, so were denied boarding. It's likely that they had a group booking and were together, so when they were denied boarding, it looked like they were singled out and discrminated against. Any of you can find this info if interested, it's not as clear cut as what usually makes things trend on Twitter..

Goodness gracious. How many apologists are going to slide into this thread trying to lie about events the UN and governments surrounding Ukraine have already acknowledged happened? It wasn’t just men being pulled off trains and it wasn’t just one train. It was people from India, Nigeria, and countries all over the Middle East — literally everyone nonwhite, whether male or female, being pulled off trains by Ukrainians. Furthermore, those POC who made it to the border of Ukraine with various countries were detained by Ukrainian civilians and law enforcement for SEVERAL days OUTSIDE in freezing conditions without shelter or food. Women of colors with babies were treated the same way as the men. Many had hypothermia and were in varying degrees of physical and emotional distress. Just astonishing cruelty.

I am just telling you what I read about one specific viral video, in now way this negates all other information you have available.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My armchair guess as to these videos of African or Indian people being turned away on trains is that, if true, is very sad and fked up, but is also being used a Russian propaganda to bolster support for their purported campaign to “denazify” the Ukraine. Also, Russian and malign actors are aware of America’s current heightened interest in assessing racial disparities as a result of the racial reckoning we’re seeing nationwide. They probably want to drum up better sentiment for their war campaign based on these types of videos and to sow doubt and unrest.

Or…and hear me out here.. Maybe there are places that are more racist in the United States and some liberals can finally admit that

However; the people of these countries are under no obligation to take in any refugees regardless of color.

Baby Jesus weeps. Americans’ ignorance of international law and treaties is astonishing.

Able-bodies economic refugees are not treated the same as women and children fleeing war.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How dare anyone call out racism in another country! Ukrainians are fleeing for their lives. Focus on what matters!

See this is what gets me. These posters who insist that we should focus on that. When will these people understand that it is not just Ukrainians fleeing for their lives, but other nationalities too and they don't deserve racist treatment when they could also lose their lives. How is it okay that women who came early for the train were asked to wait for 7 hours and then turned away, all while watching Ukrainians board the train. Their lives matter too.

In the videos posted above of the economic refugees, I see more men than women, very few children. These people have already given up on their native land, going from country to country to improve themselves economically. Ukrainians, on the other hand, are fleeing from a war-torn country, mostly women and children. Even when men are escorting them, the report is that many of these men are escorting their wives and children to safety - only to return to Ukraine at the Polish border to join the war effort.

OP, if you truly care about the plight of these economic migrants/refugees as you claim, you, too, can do your part. Join in their cause, help them resettle, send your support, money, resources to their embassies that are coordinating the resettlement.

The reason you don't see children is because these are students who have gone there to study - they are not moving from country to country after giving up on their native land like you claim. They have gone there because the education is cheaper. You can argue all you want, but not letting them (the women) board the train because they are black or brown is not okay.

I think we need more than this one video to confirm that these students were not allowed to board the train purely because of their skin color. To be fair, this is a very polarizing and emotion-stirring subject, and likely could be propaganda or exaggerated to stir emotions. This is done by BOTH sides of every conflict, and we are witnessing this "sainting" of Ukraine and its hero-leader as if "their shit don't stink". I am sure there is plenty of internal problems Ukraine has had since they went independent and their own people aren't as united as is presented to the outside world, there are nazi groups, there are pro-russian groups likely too. But to be the "devil's advocate here.. there was an article that these students were not allowed to board because of this being a wrong train, they had tickets for another train supposedly, so were denied boarding. It's likely that they had a group booking and were together, so when they were denied boarding, it looked like they were singled out and discrminated against. Any of you can find this info if interested, it's not as clear cut as what usually makes things trend on Twitter..

Goodness gracious. How many apologists are going to slide into this thread trying to lie about events the UN and governments surrounding Ukraine have already acknowledged happened? It wasn’t just men being pulled off trains and it wasn’t just one train. It was people from India, Nigeria, and countries all over the Middle East — literally everyone nonwhite, whether male or female, being pulled off trains by Ukrainians. Furthermore, those POC who made it to the border of Ukraine with various countries were detained by Ukrainian civilians and law enforcement for SEVERAL days OUTSIDE in freezing conditions without shelter or food. Women of colors with babies were treated the same way as the men. Many had hypothermia and were in varying degrees of physical and emotional distress. Just astonishing cruelty.

I am just telling you what I read about one specific viral video, in now way this negates all other information you have available.

Meant to say in No way it negates all the other sources

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My armchair guess as to these videos of African or Indian people being turned away on trains is that, if true, is very sad and fked up, but is also being used a Russian propaganda to bolster support for their purported campaign to “denazify” the Ukraine. Also, Russian and malign actors are aware of America’s current heightened interest in assessing racial disparities as a result of the racial reckoning we’re seeing nationwide. They probably want to drum up better sentiment for their war campaign based on these types of videos and to sow doubt and unrest.

What I meant is they probably air these on their Twitter or spread them online to portray Ukrainians in a poor light and detract from the overwhelming worldwide support of Ukraine over this war campaign.

BINGO! Russian concern trolling.

Russia trying to peddle "Oh look at those mean Ukrainians" while they do even worse by raining missiles, cluster bombs and artillery shells down on both innocent Ukrainians and the innocent Africans, Indians and other students and immigrants that the Ukrainians have been hosting in their country.

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Anonymous wrote:How dare anyone call out racism in another country! Ukrainians are fleeing for their lives. Focus on what matters!

See this is what gets me. These posters who insist that we should focus on that. When will these people understand that it is not just Ukrainians fleeing for their lives, but other nationalities too and they don't deserve racist treatment when they could also lose their lives. How is it okay that women who came early for the train were asked to wait for 7 hours and then turned away, all while watching Ukrainians board the train. Their lives matter too.

In the videos posted above of the economic refugees, I see more men than women, very few children. These people have already given up on their native land, going from country to country to improve themselves economically. Ukrainians, on the other hand, are fleeing from a war-torn country, mostly women and children. Even when men are escorting them, the report is that many of these men are escorting their wives and children to safety - only to return to Ukraine at the Polish border to join the war effort.

OP, if you truly care about the plight of these economic migrants/refugees as you claim, you, too, can do your part. Join in their cause, help them resettle, send your support, money, resources to their embassies that are coordinating the resettlement.

The reason you don't see children is because these are students who have gone there to study - they are not moving from country to country after giving up on their native land like you claim. They have gone there because the education is cheaper. You can argue all you want, but not letting them (the women) board the train because they are black or brown is not okay.

I think we need more than this one video to confirm that these students were not allowed to board the train purely because of their skin color. To be fair, this is a very polarizing and emotion-stirring subject, and likely could be propaganda or exaggerated to stir emotions. This is done by BOTH sides of every conflict, and we are witnessing this "sainting" of Ukraine and its hero-leader as if "their shit don't stink". I am sure there is plenty of internal problems Ukraine has had since they went independent and their own people aren't as united as is presented to the outside world, there are nazi groups, there are pro-russian groups likely too. But to be the "devil's advocate here.. there was an article that these students were not allowed to board because of this being a wrong train, they had tickets for another train supposedly, so were denied boarding. It's likely that they had a group booking and were together, so when they were denied boarding, it looked like they were singled out and discrminated against. Any of you can find this info if interested, it's not as clear cut as what usually makes things trend on Twitter..

Goodness gracious. How many apologists are going to slide into this thread trying to lie about events the UN and governments surrounding Ukraine have already acknowledged happened? It wasn’t just men being pulled off trains and it wasn’t just one train. It was people from India, Nigeria, and countries all over the Middle East — literally everyone nonwhite, whether male or female, being pulled off trains by Ukrainians. Furthermore, those POC who made it to the border of Ukraine with various countries were detained by Ukrainian civilians and law enforcement for SEVERAL days OUTSIDE in freezing conditions without shelter or food. Women of colors with babies were treated the same way as the men. Many had hypothermia and were in varying degrees of physical and emotional distress. Just astonishing cruelty.

Yeah. Why did Russia start a war in Ukraine in the winter? They should've waited for the summer. Then refugees and foreign nationals could get heat sick instead of hypothermia.

If I know Russians as well as I think I do, they started the war in winter on purpose just to really stick it to people of color. I feel that all the knowledge I’ve gained about Putin from CNN backs me up

knowledge you got from CNN should have told you Putin wouldn't spend 1 sec to think about all the people of color trapped in Ukraine, not to mention schedule his military campaigns to stick it to them. Your theory that they started this in the winter to target people of color is just as ridiculous as the far right conspiracies. Yours falls into the same spectrum and loses credibility, not matter how righteous the cause.
This wasn't a war on people of color.

Um, it’s really obvious to everyone except you that PPs were being facetious and sarcastic. Yikes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How dare anyone call out racism in another country! Ukrainians are fleeing for their lives. Focus on what matters!

See this is what gets me. These posters who insist that we should focus on that. When will these people understand that it is not just Ukrainians fleeing for their lives, but other nationalities too and they don't deserve racist treatment when they could also lose their lives. How is it okay that women who came early for the train were asked to wait for 7 hours and then turned away, all while watching Ukrainians board the train. Their lives matter too.

In the videos posted above of the economic refugees, I see more men than women, very few children. These people have already given up on their native land, going from country to country to improve themselves economically. Ukrainians, on the other hand, are fleeing from a war-torn country, mostly women and children. Even when men are escorting them, the report is that many of these men are escorting their wives and children to safety - only to return to Ukraine at the Polish border to join the war effort.

OP, if you truly care about the plight of these economic migrants/refugees as you claim, you, too, can do your part. Join in their cause, help them resettle, send your support, money, resources to their embassies that are coordinating the resettlement.

The reason you don't see children is because these are students who have gone there to study - they are not moving from country to country after giving up on their native land like you claim. They have gone there because the education is cheaper. You can argue all you want, but not letting them (the women) board the train because they are black or brown is not okay.

I think we need more than this one video to confirm that these students were not allowed to board the train purely because of their skin color. To be fair, this is a very polarizing and emotion-stirring subject, and likely could be propaganda or exaggerated to stir emotions. This is done by BOTH sides of every conflict, and we are witnessing this "sainting" of Ukraine and its hero-leader as if "their shit don't stink". I am sure there is plenty of internal problems Ukraine has had since they went independent and their own people aren't as united as is presented to the outside world, there are nazi groups, there are pro-russian groups likely too. But to be the "devil's advocate here.. there was an article that these students were not allowed to board because of this being a wrong train, they had tickets for another train supposedly, so were denied boarding. It's likely that they had a group booking and were together, so when they were denied boarding, it looked like they were singled out and discrminated against. Any of you can find this info if interested, it's not as clear cut as what usually makes things trend on Twitter..

Goodness gracious. How many apologists are going to slide into this thread trying to lie about events the UN and governments surrounding Ukraine have already acknowledged happened? It wasn’t just men being pulled off trains and it wasn’t just one train. It was people from India, Nigeria, and countries all over the Middle East — literally everyone nonwhite, whether male or female, being pulled off trains by Ukrainians. Furthermore, those POC who made it to the border of Ukraine with various countries were detained by Ukrainian civilians and law enforcement for SEVERAL days OUTSIDE in freezing conditions without shelter or food. Women of colors with babies were treated the same way as the men. Many had hypothermia and were in varying degrees of physical and emotional distress. Just astonishing cruelty.

Yeah. Why did Russia start a war in Ukraine in the winter? They should've waited for the summer. Then refugees and foreign nationals could get heat sick instead of hypothermia.

If I know Russians as well as I think I do, they started the war in winter on purpose just to really stick it to people of color. I feel that all the knowledge I’ve gained about Putin from CNN backs me up

knowledge you got from CNN should have told you Putin wouldn't spend 1 sec to think about all the people of color trapped in Ukraine, not to mention schedule his military campaigns to stick it to them. Your theory that they started this in the winter to target people of color is just as ridiculous as the far right conspiracies. Yours falls into the same spectrum and loses credibility, not matter how righteous the cause.
This wasn't a war on people of color.

Your sarcasm detector is broken.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Asian American who fled Ukraine interviewed African students who also fled. They claim they don't think their experience was due to racism.

[Anonymous]

Hundreds upon hundreds of Indians and Africans have been successfully evacuated from Ukraine now. Any of these stories of racism or being detained at the border are at this point flukes, not representative of the whole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hundreds upon hundreds of Indians and Africans have been successfully evacuated from Ukraine now. Any of these stories of racism or being detained at the border are at this point flukes, not representative of the whole.

OK, just to make sure I understand you:

Documented and confirmed accounts of racist maltreatment of Africans and Asians that occurred a week ago before an outcry resulted in change aren’t true because circumstances have changed today?

That’s what you’re arguing, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asian American who fled Ukraine interviewed African students who also fled. They claim they don't think their experience was due to racism.

Well, someone had better notify the UN, various European, African, and Indian subcontinent governments, CNN, Al Jazeera, BBC, NPR, and other reputable news outlets that confirmed Africans, Indians, and Middle Eastern people were being targeted and prevented from exiting Ukraine. Apparently, they have it all wrong, but this Youtuber has discovered The Truth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Asian American who fled Ukraine interviewed African students who also fled. They claim they don't think their experience was due to racism.

Well, someone had better notify the UN, various European, African, and Indian subcontinent governments, CNN, Al Jazeera, BBC, NPR, and other reputable news outlets that confirmed Africans, Indians, and Middle Eastern people were being targeted and prevented from exiting Ukraine. Apparently, they have it all wrong, but this Youtuber has discovered The Truth.

I am not doubting that there was racism at all, not even a bit. I don't know what the situation is on the ground. I will just gently note that very few news agencies have real people with boots on the ground to do in-person newsgathering. A lot of modern-day news has a single/few sources and is amplified when seemingly reputable agencies start quoting each other, making it seem as if the story has been corroborated through multiple diverse sources. The need to put up a headline and copy drives news agencies to do this because they don't want to look like they are behind the curve. This is what primarily gives rise to fake news stories - stories that turn out to be untrue as additional information is gathered.

Again, I am not doubting that there was racism in Ukraine.