WOOHOO SB 739 has passed the house- it is on its way to the Governor-

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FCPS’s school board met with their lawyers this afternoon too. What about APS? Guess is they’ll be moving together.

I'm assuming ACPS will join them. This just sucks, my kid does have a disability that masks are definitely not helping and actively hurting, but ACLU isn't interested in those kids I guess. Everything I've seen about the cases they are representing are for kids for whom it will literally never be safe to unmask, ongoing lung issues, significantly immunocompromised. So is that the end game?

I wonder this too. I know a kid with a condition ACLU is yelling about. Despite the family’s warranted extreme caution he still got Covid (thankfully he was fine, because kids with his condition have entire protocols they use for every respiratory disease, plus yay vaccines!). Universal masking didn’t make him safer enough - but treatment and vaccines did.

Are you unable to understand the concept of a multi-layered approach to public health, or is this more of a willful ignorance thing?

Idk you’re pretty willfully ignorant about the low risk of covid to kids so you’re not setting a good example of taking your head out of the sand.

You know the kids aren’t in the building by themselves, right?

I know in ES and up - everyone has the option to be vaccinated and wear a mask if they want. If you want to enforce masks in the few preschool classes there are in the ES where they are too young for vaccine - be my guest. I think it's a bad idea for those kids' development and risk profile - but I won't stop you.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw the tweet from the Virginia ACLU a and I inferred form it that they would be suing in federal court that a federal law (the ADA) has been violated.

If they are successful in having the new law deemed in violation of the ADA would this have widespread implications outside of Virginia. Hence would other states that allow unmasked children at school also be in violation of the ADA?

I guess anything can happen - but I don’t feel like the ACLU is going to win at a time when vaccines are widely available. I don’t think it’s reasonable to force a young kid who is vaccinated and has had covid to boot, to mask in school anymore, for example. It will be interesting to see what happens.

This. I think this is becoming hugely political, on a national scale, if this is filed in federal court. A lawsuit like this could also affect the 49 other states in their adherence to the ADA. It would throw us even further into the national spotlight, for what I believe is political coverage. I also agree that the ACLU probably wouldn't win. This seems to be spiraling out of control. And in the end it's the children who suffer.

I really can't believe the ACLU is willing to stake their reputation on this. I think it's really going to kill their reputation to have to be told that Americans in 2022, with vaccines, have a civil liberty not to be forced to wear a mask. If you don't have a right not to mask when you have been vaccinated and have gotten covid to boot - I am not really sure what liberty means anymore. You can paint me as an antimasker if you want - but I am vaccinated, boosted, and wear a KN95 when I go out - but I think in 2022 with vaccines, we really cannot mandate masking anymore. It has to be optional if liberty is to mean anything. Two years later and with widespread availability of vaccines - I think I am ready to come out as anti-mask mandater, at least in schools. The cons of masks for kids are higher than for adults, vaccines are available, and their risk profile is so low. I really think this swings towards you no longer have the right to force others to wear a mask. I didn't oppose mask mandates pre-vaccine but now I think it's time.

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Anonymous wrote:And here’s one lawsuit:

FCPS’s school board met with their lawyers this afternoon too. What about APS? Guess is they’ll be moving together.

I'm assuming ACPS will join them. This just sucks, my kid does have a disability that masks are definitely not helping and actively hurting, but ACLU isn't interested in those kids I guess. Everything I've seen about the cases they are representing are for kids for whom it will literally never be safe to unmask, ongoing lung issues, significantly immunocompromised. So is that the end game?

I wonder this too. I know a kid with a condition ACLU is yelling about. Despite the family’s warranted extreme caution he still got Covid (thankfully he was fine, because kids with his condition have entire protocols they use for every respiratory disease, plus yay vaccines!). Universal masking didn’t make him safer enough - but treatment and vaccines did.

Are you unable to understand the concept of a multi-layered approach to public health, or is this more of a willful ignorance thing?

Idk you’re pretty willfully ignorant about the low risk of covid to kids so you’re not setting a good example of taking your head out of the sand.

You’re not exactly demonstrating an understanding of a multi-layered approach.

I think multilayer can NOW include less restrictive measures such as air filtration, open windows, and vaccines - and that in 2022 we don't need to force the restrictive mask layer approach for all and allow people to do it optionally as they want. That's what multi layer looks like in 2022.

It's really to soon to know. Omnicron could circle around and wallop the same people again in a month or two. Or it could not.

Willfully ignored in this politicization of masks are the following points:

1.) We've been dealing with an evolving virus that has become more infectious and not less lethal for the unvaccinated.

2.) We still don't know the long-term effects of covid, but the stats we have aren't great.

3.) The vaccination is great at preventing serious illness, but its effect in preventing any illness at all is imperfect and gets even worse over time. Boosters help a lot. Is it time to get a fourth booster? Probably.

4.) Kids under five have no protection. We are blessed they don't usually get very sick, but we don't know the long-term effects.

5.) Vaccinated people who are elderly and / or infirm are actually getting sick and dying.

6.) Vaccinated people can be asymptomatic and infectious. In fact it's common.

Covid is not a *hot* virus. It doesn't burn through a population like, say, ebola, killing everyone in its path. In fact a large number of people catch it, carry it, and pass it on to others without ever knowing they're sick. That's one reason it's so pervasive and devastating: it is a sleeper virus. When unleashed in an institutional setting it can have a ton of hosts. For at least half the pandemic people were arguing that kids weren't spreading it while ignoring the rates and reasons for their own community transmission.

Your viral load upon infection seems to have an effect on how sick you get. Inhaling fewer particles because you are wearing a mask improves your odds and the odds of others.

Our country has fumbled the mask message so badly it might be comical in a century. Like, "look what morons those 21st-ers were comical." Masks work. Good ones work the best. When there was a mask shortage people were using cloth masks with liners or cloth with surgical. Even those options can also help reduce spread. The argument "most wear cloth and it doesn't work anyway" is as true as "it will be gone by Easter." The virus changed. People 's mask habits also changed.

If we are extremely lucky it might be better by THIS Easter.

All versions of covid have been shown time and time again to have the potential to reinfect previously infected individuals. Vaccine efficacy also wanes. This combination alone should alarm you.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to see that at least some language has been added back in to allow the governor to reinstate mandates. Seems like even Youngkin knows there will be more waves and more death before COVID is done with us for good. But, it should be the local school boards making these decisions based on local conditions, not some Trump hack in Richmond who wants to score points with a COVID-brain addled base.

Remember this next time a republican claims it is the Dems who the party of big government and republicans are the party of local government.

This was an unusual situation because Dems got drunk on power and didn’t want to give up control once they had a taste. If you watched the discussions in the House and Senate, Dems looked like children who had their favorite stuffed animal snatched away. They were almost crying.

I wish someone could explain to me from a psychological POV exactly why people are losing their minds over this. I cannot believe it’s because they think masks actually “work,” or even if they did, why they think there is enough Covid around to actually worry about. It’s something much deeper that is driving people to near madness. I would love to understand better

Some people have their vaccine and don't care about kids under 5 with health conditions that put them at risk for COVID.

PP again. It’s way more than that. I have 2 unvaccinated kids under 5 and I don’t give it a second thought. Granted, they don’t have unusual health conditions but if they did, I would view it as my responsibility to protect them. Not everyone else.

Do you feel that way when your kids are coughing a lot and sneezing all over the place? When they have pink eye? When they've thrown up or had diarrhea in the past 24 hours? in those circumstances do you still take them to daycare or play dates or classes where they're sharing toys and germs with other kids? In those situations do you feel it it is all of the other parents' responsibilities to keep their own kids home if they want to keep them from getting your child's cold, stomach bug, or pick eye?

Not that I see the relevance of these questions but of course I do. If they are (really) sick, I keep them home because they don’t feel well. I do not keep them home for every little sniffle. What does that have to do with why people have gone insane to advocate for masking?

You keep them home because your kids aren't feeling well (so it is only about your kids) or you keep them home so they don't get other kids sick? If the later it is the same with masks. Taking measure to prevent spreading disease to other people.

I didn't mean every little sniffle. I should have said something like a yucky runny nose or something like that.

I keep them home primarily because they don’t feel well. Yes of course it’s about them; I’m their mother.

Most people also recognize they shouldn't take their contagious kids around other kids to help keep the other kids.

No, “most people,” at least those who have a modicum of knowledge about science, health and germs, know that we do not, can not and should not pretend to live in a germ free bubble world. The pandemic has done a number on your rational sense, PP. We all have and are continually spreading all kinds of germs. Most won’t make you actually sick; some will. That’s just reality. Welcome back to it.

People like you are the reason day cares, schools, preschools have to make rules about keeping your kid home for 24 hours after a fever, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. Not to mention the difference between diseases that have known and well established cures and disease that....don't have readily available treatments.

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Anonymous wrote:And here’s one lawsuit:

FCPS’s school board met with their lawyers this afternoon too. What about APS? Guess is they’ll be moving together.

I'm assuming ACPS will join them. This just sucks, my kid does have a disability that masks are definitely not helping and actively hurting, but ACLU isn't interested in those kids I guess. Everything I've seen about the cases they are representing are for kids for whom it will literally never be safe to unmask, ongoing lung issues, significantly immunocompromised. So is that the end game?

I wonder this too. I know a kid with a condition ACLU is yelling about. Despite the family’s warranted extreme caution he still got Covid (thankfully he was fine, because kids with his condition have entire protocols they use for every respiratory disease, plus yay vaccines!). Universal masking didn’t make him safer enough - but treatment and vaccines did.

Are you unable to understand the concept of a multi-layered approach to public health, or is this more of a willful ignorance thing?

Idk you’re pretty willfully ignorant about the low risk of covid to kids so you’re not setting a good example of taking your head out of the sand.

You’re not exactly demonstrating an understanding of a multi-layered approach.

I think multilayer can NOW include less restrictive measures such as air filtration, open windows, and vaccines - and that in 2022 we don't need to force the restrictive mask layer approach for all and allow people to do it optionally as they want. That's what multi layer looks like in 2022.

It's really to soon to know. Omnicron could circle around and wallop the same people again in a month or two. Or it could not.

Willfully ignored in this politicization of masks are the following points:

1.) We've been dealing with an evolving virus that has become more infectious and not less lethal for the unvaccinated.

2.) We still don't know the long-term effects of covid, but the stats we have aren't great.

3.) The vaccination is great at preventing serious illness, but its effect in preventing any illness at all is imperfect and gets even worse over time. Boosters help a lot. Is it time to get a fourth booster? Probably.

4.) Kids under five have no protection. We are blessed they don't usually get very sick, but we don't know the long-term effects.

5.) Vaccinated people who are elderly and / or infirm are actually getting sick and dying.

6.) Vaccinated people can be asymptomatic and infectious. In fact it's common.

Covid is not a *hot* virus. It doesn't burn through a population like, say, ebola, killing everyone in its path. In fact a large number of people catch it, carry it, and pass it on to others without ever knowing they're sick. That's one reason it's so pervasive and devastating: it is a sleeper virus. When unleashed in an institutional setting it can have a ton of hosts. For at least half the pandemic people were arguing that kids weren't spreading it while ignoring the rates and reasons for their own community transmission.

Your viral load upon infection seems to have an effect on how sick you get. Inhaling fewer particles because you are wearing a mask improves your odds and the odds of others.

Our country has fumbled the mask message so badly it might be comical in a century. Like, "look what morons those 21st-ers were comical." Masks work. Good ones work the best. When there was a mask shortage people were using cloth masks with liners or cloth with surgical. Even those options can also help reduce spread. The argument "most wear cloth and it doesn't work anyway" is as true as "it will be gone by Easter." The virus changed. People 's mask habits also changed.

If we are extremely lucky it might be better by THIS Easter.

All versions of covid have been shown time and time again to have the potential to reinfect previously infected individuals. Vaccine efficacy also wanes. This combination alone should alarm you.

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Anonymous wrote:And here’s one lawsuit:

FCPS’s school board met with their lawyers this afternoon too. What about APS? Guess is they’ll be moving together.

I'm assuming ACPS will join them. This just sucks, my kid does have a disability that masks are definitely not helping and actively hurting, but ACLU isn't interested in those kids I guess. Everything I've seen about the cases they are representing are for kids for whom it will literally never be safe to unmask, ongoing lung issues, significantly immunocompromised. So is that the end game?

I wonder this too. I know a kid with a condition ACLU is yelling about. Despite the family’s warranted extreme caution he still got Covid (thankfully he was fine, because kids with his condition have entire protocols they use for every respiratory disease, plus yay vaccines!). Universal masking didn’t make him safer enough - but treatment and vaccines did.

Are you unable to understand the concept of a multi-layered approach to public health, or is this more of a willful ignorance thing?

Idk you’re pretty willfully ignorant about the low risk of covid to kids so you’re not setting a good example of taking your head out of the sand.

You’re not exactly demonstrating an understanding of a multi-layered approach.

I think multilayer can NOW include less restrictive measures such as air filtration, open windows, and vaccines - and that in 2022 we don't need to force the restrictive mask layer approach for all and allow people to do it optionally as they want. That's what multi layer looks like in 2022.

It's really to soon to know. Omnicron could circle around and wallop the same people again in a month or two. Or it could not.

Willfully ignored in this politicization of masks are the following points:

1.) We've been dealing with an evolving virus that has become more infectious and not less lethal for the unvaccinated.

2.) We still don't know the long-term effects of covid, but the stats we have aren't great.

3.) The vaccination is great at preventing serious illness, but its effect in preventing any illness at all is imperfect and gets even worse over time. Boosters help a lot. Is it time to get a fourth booster? Probably.

4.) Kids under five have no protection. We are blessed they don't usually get very sick, but we don't know the long-term effects.

5.) Vaccinated people who are elderly and / or infirm are actually getting sick and dying.

6.) Vaccinated people can be asymptomatic and infectious. In fact it's common.

Covid is not a *hot* virus. It doesn't burn through a population like, say, ebola, killing everyone in its path. In fact a large number of people catch it, carry it, and pass it on to others without ever knowing they're sick. That's one reason it's so pervasive and devastating: it is a sleeper virus. When unleashed in an institutional setting it can have a ton of hosts. For at least half the pandemic people were arguing that kids weren't spreading it while ignoring the rates and reasons for their own community transmission.

Your viral load upon infection seems to have an effect on how sick you get. Inhaling fewer particles because you are wearing a mask improves your odds and the odds of others.

Our country has fumbled the mask message so badly it might be comical in a century. Like, "look what morons those 21st-ers were comical." Masks work. Good ones work the best. When there was a mask shortage people were using cloth masks with liners or cloth with surgical. Even those options can also help reduce spread. The argument "most wear cloth and it doesn't work anyway" is as true as "it will be gone by Easter." The virus changed. People 's mask habits also changed.

If we are extremely lucky it might be better by THIS Easter.

All versions of covid have been shown time and time again to have the potential to reinfect previously infected individuals. Vaccine efficacy also wanes. This combination alone should alarm you.

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You do realize that Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the UK are dropping restrictions. France will soon as well, they say. Austria too. All these places, if they ever masked kids (in some cases 6+ and in some places 12+ were the only groups masked) are unmasking them in school. It's not like Virginia is doing some crazy weird thing. We are more vaccinated in the entire state of Virginia than the entire country of Switzerland.

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Anonymous wrote:And here’s one lawsuit:

FCPS’s school board met with their lawyers this afternoon too. What about APS? Guess is they’ll be moving together.

I'm assuming ACPS will join them. This just sucks, my kid does have a disability that masks are definitely not helping and actively hurting, but ACLU isn't interested in those kids I guess. Everything I've seen about the cases they are representing are for kids for whom it will literally never be safe to unmask, ongoing lung issues, significantly immunocompromised. So is that the end game?

I wonder this too. I know a kid with a condition ACLU is yelling about. Despite the family’s warranted extreme caution he still got Covid (thankfully he was fine, because kids with his condition have entire protocols they use for every respiratory disease, plus yay vaccines!). Universal masking didn’t make him safer enough - but treatment and vaccines did.

Are you unable to understand the concept of a multi-layered approach to public health, or is this more of a willful ignorance thing?

Idk you’re pretty willfully ignorant about the low risk of covid to kids so you’re not setting a good example of taking your head out of the sand.

You’re not exactly demonstrating an understanding of a multi-layered approach.

I think multilayer can NOW include less restrictive measures such as air filtration, open windows, and vaccines - and that in 2022 we don't need to force the restrictive mask layer approach for all and allow people to do it optionally as they want. That's what multi layer looks like in 2022.

It's really to soon to know. Omnicron could circle around and wallop the same people again in a month or two. Or it could not.

Willfully ignored in this politicization of masks are the following points:

1.) We've been dealing with an evolving virus that has become more infectious and not less lethal for the unvaccinated.

2.) We still don't know the long-term effects of covid, but the stats we have aren't great.

3.) The vaccination is great at preventing serious illness, but its effect in preventing any illness at all is imperfect and gets even worse over time. Boosters help a lot. Is it time to get a fourth booster? Probably.

4.) Kids under five have no protection. We are blessed they don't usually get very sick, but we don't know the long-term effects.

5.) Vaccinated people who are elderly and / or infirm are actually getting sick and dying.

6.) Vaccinated people can be asymptomatic and infectious. In fact it's common.

Covid is not a *hot* virus. It doesn't burn through a population like, say, ebola, killing everyone in its path. In fact a large number of people catch it, carry it, and pass it on to others without ever knowing they're sick. That's one reason it's so pervasive and devastating: it is a sleeper virus. When unleashed in an institutional setting it can have a ton of hosts. For at least half the pandemic people were arguing that kids weren't spreading it while ignoring the rates and reasons for their own community transmission.

Your viral load upon infection seems to have an effect on how sick you get. Inhaling fewer particles because you are wearing a mask improves your odds and the odds of others.

Our country has fumbled the mask message so badly it might be comical in a century. Like, "look what morons those 21st-ers were comical." Masks work. Good ones work the best. When there was a mask shortage people were using cloth masks with liners or cloth with surgical. Even those options can also help reduce spread. The argument "most wear cloth and it doesn't work anyway" is as true as "it will be gone by Easter." The virus changed. People 's mask habits also changed.

If we are extremely lucky it might be better by THIS Easter.

All versions of covid have been shown time and time again to have the potential to reinfect previously infected individuals. Vaccine efficacy also wanes. This combination alone should alarm you.

.

I think your first point is incorrect re: deaths in the unvaxxed. The gap between cases and deaths is widening. On point 3 - I don't think the point of this vaccine is to prevent all illness - if you want that - you're going to have to be boosting people all the time and that is not a viable strategy here - according not to me - but vaccine expert Paul Offit who I agree with. And I think your 6th point - 6.) Vaccinated people can be asymptomatic and infectious. In fact it's common. --> is true and a reason why we shouldn't have masks mandates - if it's so mild that it's asymptomatic for many people - then we shouldn't be forcing masks to prevent that.

I don't see why if we don't know the long term effects - why we don't assume until proven otherwise that it will go the route of the other 4 coronaviruses currently circulating as a common cold. I like the expression - when you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras.

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Anonymous wrote:It's just Youngkin trying to grab credit for the pandemic ending. Makes me hate him even more.

The fact that Dem governors are also dropping mask mandates makes your assessment sound even more ridiculous than it did when he was elected based on making it a choice for parents.

Virginia did not do what those Democratic governors did. They ended statewide mandates but allowed local district to make their own rules. Virginia has banned local discretion making it like FL and TX.

I wonder if there is any difference between FL and Texas, versus NoVa ? NoVa will never end the restrictions without a requirement. I live in NoVA. 90+% are still wearing masks in grocery stores - it is ridiculous.

+1. NoVA forced this.

+2. And at a cost of how many millions of $$$ to sue a democratically-elected governor, who’s measure follows countless out of state democrat leaders??

The NOVA counties should be ashamed of how poorly they treat our children (and how they waste our tax revenue).

I am completely supportive of the use of my taxes to sue Youngkin to protect our children from the selfish ignorant anti maskers on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:And here’s one lawsuit:

FCPS’s school board met with their lawyers this afternoon too. What about APS? Guess is they’ll be moving together.

I'm assuming ACPS will join them. This just sucks, my kid does have a disability that masks are definitely not helping and actively hurting, but ACLU isn't interested in those kids I guess. Everything I've seen about the cases they are representing are for kids for whom it will literally never be safe to unmask, ongoing lung issues, significantly immunocompromised. So is that the end game?

I wonder this too. I know a kid with a condition ACLU is yelling about. Despite the family’s warranted extreme caution he still got Covid (thankfully he was fine, because kids with his condition have entire protocols they use for every respiratory disease, plus yay vaccines!). Universal masking didn’t make him safer enough - but treatment and vaccines did.

Are you unable to understand the concept of a multi-layered approach to public health, or is this more of a willful ignorance thing?

Idk you’re pretty willfully ignorant about the low risk of covid to kids so you’re not setting a good example of taking your head out of the sand.

You’re not exactly demonstrating an understanding of a multi-layered approach.

I think multilayer can NOW include less restrictive measures such as air filtration, open windows, and vaccines - and that in 2022 we don't need to force the restrictive mask layer approach for all and allow people to do it optionally as they want. That's what multi layer looks like in 2022.

It's really to soon to know. Omnicron could circle around and wallop the same people again in a month or two. Or it could not.

Willfully ignored in this politicization of masks are the following points:

1.) We've been dealing with an evolving virus that has become more infectious and not less lethal for the unvaccinated.

2.) We still don't know the long-term effects of covid, but the stats we have aren't great.

3.) The vaccination is great at preventing serious illness, but its effect in preventing any illness at all is imperfect and gets even worse over time. Boosters help a lot. Is it time to get a fourth booster? Probably.

4.) Kids under five have no protection. We are blessed they don't usually get very sick, but we don't know the long-term effects.

5.) Vaccinated people who are elderly and / or infirm are actually getting sick and dying.

6.) Vaccinated people can be asymptomatic and infectious. In fact it's common.

Covid is not a *hot* virus. It doesn't burn through a population like, say, ebola, killing everyone in its path. In fact a large number of people catch it, carry it, and pass it on to others without ever knowing they're sick. That's one reason it's so pervasive and devastating: it is a sleeper virus. When unleashed in an institutional setting it can have a ton of hosts. For at least half the pandemic people were arguing that kids weren't spreading it while ignoring the rates and reasons for their own community transmission.

Your viral load upon infection seems to have an effect on how sick you get. Inhaling fewer particles because you are wearing a mask improves your odds and the odds of others.

Our country has fumbled the mask message so badly it might be comical in a century. Like, "look what morons those 21st-ers were comical." Masks work. Good ones work the best. When there was a mask shortage people were using cloth masks with liners or cloth with surgical. Even those options can also help reduce spread. The argument "most wear cloth and it doesn't work anyway" is as true as "it will be gone by Easter." The virus changed. People 's mask habits also changed.

If we are extremely lucky it might be better by THIS Easter.

All versions of covid have been shown time and time again to have the potential to reinfect previously infected individuals. Vaccine efficacy also wanes. This combination alone should alarm you.

.

All of your ramblings are based on the flawed assumption that masks block the spread of Covid. We now know this is incorrect.

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+2. And at a cost of how many millions of $$$ to sue a democratically-elected governor, who’s measure follows countless out of state democrat leaders??

The NOVA counties should be ashamed of how poorly they treat our children (and how they waste our tax revenue).

I am completely supportive of the use of my taxes to sue Youngkin to protect our children from the selfish ignorant anti maskers on this thread.

The forced child maskers really can't give it up - it's purely about ego and anti-scientific, quasi-religious beliefs at this point. Right now, the so-called disability attorney (who is a closed schooler, which hurt SO MANY disabled kids, just as masks do) is on AEM pushing a hail mary lawsuit.

The same people pushing for this litigation (Smart Restart) are the same people who said:
(1) School was unsafe to reopen during throughout the 2020-2021 school year - they were repeatedly wrong
(2) School was unsafe to open fall 2021 with the Delta variant - they were wrong
(3) School would have to close down in January 2022 because of the Omicron varient - they were wrong
(4) A founder is saying on AEM (the one who said in an NBC interview she sent her son to school with a CO2 monitor) that things will never go back to normal and wearing masks will be a part of our lives forever
(5) On Smart Restart Twitter, that forced child mask wearing needs to happen every time there's a surge in cases for the rest of our lives (i.e., while COVID is still here)

These people have been so wrong. They want children to be forced to mask forever. Their credibility is utterly destroyed and they're a laughing stock of this community.

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+2. And at a cost of how many millions of $$$ to sue a democratically-elected governor, who’s measure follows countless out of state democrat leaders??

The NOVA counties should be ashamed of how poorly they treat our children (and how they waste our tax revenue).

I am completely supportive of the use of my taxes to sue Youngkin to protect our children from the selfish ignorant anti maskers on this thread.

The forced child maskers really can't give it up - it's purely about ego and anti-scientific, quasi-religious beliefs at this point. Right now, the so-called disability attorney (who is a closed schooler, which hurt SO MANY disabled kids, just as masks do) is on AEM pushing a hail mary lawsuit.

The same people pushing for this litigation (Smart Restart) are the same people who said:
(1) School was unsafe to reopen during throughout the 2020-2021 school year - they were repeatedly wrong
(2) School was unsafe to open fall 2021 with the Delta variant - they were wrong
(3) School would have to close down in January 2022 because of the Omicron varient - they were wrong
(4) A founder is saying on AEM (the one who said in an NBC interview she sent her son to school with a CO2 monitor) that things will never go back to normal and wearing masks will be a part of our lives forever
(5) On Smart Restart Twitter, that forced child mask wearing needs to happen every time there's a surge in cases for the rest of our lives (i.e., while COVID is still here)

These people have been so wrong. They want children to be forced to mask forever. Their credibility is utterly destroyed and they're a laughing stock of this community.

These people are nuts. The Smart Restart head said on AEM that she'd like to be able to sue parents if a maskless kid infects her child. LOL

Good luck litigating that the lack of a Paw Patrol mask kept her little snowflake from getting a cold.

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+2. And at a cost of how many millions of $$$ to sue a democratically-elected governor, who’s measure follows countless out of state democrat leaders??

The NOVA counties should be ashamed of how poorly they treat our children (and how they waste our tax revenue).

I am completely supportive of the use of my taxes to sue Youngkin to protect our children from the selfish ignorant anti maskers on this thread.

The forced child maskers really can't give it up - it's purely about ego and anti-scientific, quasi-religious beliefs at this point. Right now, the so-called disability attorney (who is a closed schooler, which hurt SO MANY disabled kids, just as masks do) is on AEM pushing a hail mary lawsuit.

The same people pushing for this litigation (Smart Restart) are the same people who said:
(1) School was unsafe to reopen during throughout the 2020-2021 school year - they were repeatedly wrong
(2) School was unsafe to open fall 2021 with the Delta variant - they were wrong
(3) School would have to close down in January 2022 because of the Omicron varient - they were wrong
(4) A founder is saying on AEM (the one who said in an NBC interview she sent her son to school with a CO2 monitor) that things will never go back to normal and wearing masks will be a part of our lives forever
(5) On Smart Restart Twitter, that forced child mask wearing needs to happen every time there's a surge in cases for the rest of our lives (i.e., while COVID is still here)

These people have been so wrong. They want children to be forced to mask forever. Their credibility is utterly destroyed and they're a laughing stock of this community.

And if we can't unmask now, then when? We have vaccines for 5 and up. And a ton of people just got omicron so we have a really high level of immunity from vaccine and natural infection.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to see that at least some language has been added back in to allow the governor to reinstate mandates. Seems like even Youngkin knows there will be more waves and more death before COVID is done with us for good. But, it should be the local school boards making these decisions based on local conditions, not some Trump hack in Richmond who wants to score points with a COVID-brain addled base.

Remember this next time a republican claims it is the Dems who the party of big government and republicans are the party of local government.

This was an unusual situation because Dems got drunk on power and didn’t want to give up control once they had a taste. If you watched the discussions in the House and Senate, Dems looked like children who had their favorite stuffed animal snatched away. They were almost crying.

I wish someone could explain to me from a psychological POV exactly why people are losing their minds over this. I cannot believe it’s because they think masks actually “work,” or even if they did, why they think there is enough Covid around to actually worry about. It’s something much deeper that is driving people to near madness. I would love to understand better

Some people have their vaccine and don't care about kids under 5 with health conditions that put them at risk for COVID.

PP again. It’s way more than that. I have 2 unvaccinated kids under 5 and I don’t give it a second thought. Granted, they don’t have unusual health conditions but if they did, I would view it as my responsibility to protect them. Not everyone else.

Do you feel that way when your kids are coughing a lot and sneezing all over the place? When they have pink eye? When they've thrown up or had diarrhea in the past 24 hours? in those circumstances do you still take them to daycare or play dates or classes where they're sharing toys and germs with other kids? In those situations do you feel it it is all of the other parents' responsibilities to keep their own kids home if they want to keep them from getting your child's cold, stomach bug, or pick eye?

Not that I see the relevance of these questions but of course I do. If they are (really) sick, I keep them home because they don’t feel well. I do not keep them home for every little sniffle. What does that have to do with why people have gone insane to advocate for masking?

You keep them home because your kids aren't feeling well (so it is only about your kids) or you keep them home so they don't get other kids sick? If the later it is the same with masks. Taking measure to prevent spreading disease to other people.

I didn't mean every little sniffle. I should have said something like a yucky runny nose or something like that.

I keep them home primarily because they don’t feel well. Yes of course it’s about them; I’m their mother.

Most people also recognize they shouldn't take their contagious kids around other kids to help keep the other kids.

No, “most people,” at least those who have a modicum of knowledge about science, health and germs, know that we do not, can not and should not pretend to live in a germ free bubble world. The pandemic has done a number on your rational sense, PP. We all have and are continually spreading all kinds of germs. Most won’t make you actually sick; some will. That’s just reality. Welcome back to it.

People like you are the reason day cares, schools, preschools have to make rules about keeping your kid home for 24 hours after a fever, vomiting, diarrhea, etc. Not to mention the difference between diseases that have known and well established cures and disease that....don't have readily available treatments.

That's right. And that's a sensible rule for return to school post vomiting. I assure you I always abide by rules like this. But this has zero to do with so-called "preventative" masking, which is what we're discussing here. It's not up to me -- fully vaxxed and feeling fine - to assume that I might be shedding a few cells of cornavirus, and wear a mask to protect you or anyone else.

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Virginia did do a crazy irresponsible thing by banning mandates so no one can respond if a new variant means masks are necessary again. The law isn’t about whether now is a good time to unmask — it’s pretty close to that — it’s about preventing the use of successful strategies in the future. That’s what’s crazy and irresponsible about it. It was a political stunt; not a public health approach.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia did do a crazy irresponsible thing by banning mandates so no one can respond if a new variant means masks are necessary again. The law isn’t about whether now is a good time to unmask — it’s pretty close to that — it’s about preventing the use of successful strategies in the future. That’s what’s crazy and irresponsible about it. It was a political stunt; not a public health approach.

They inserted a clause that the Gov can declare an emergency and say that everyone needs to mask again, and under the law - masks are optional - so you can always wear your own good mask. https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-kids-face-masks/