WOOHOO SB 739 has passed the house- it is on its way to the Governor-

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Anonymous wrote:And here’s one lawsuit:

FCPS’s school board met with their lawyers this afternoon too. What about APS? Guess is they’ll be moving together.

I'm assuming ACPS will join them. This just sucks, my kid does have a disability that masks are definitely not helping and actively hurting, but ACLU isn't interested in those kids I guess. Everything I've seen about the cases they are representing are for kids for whom it will literally never be safe to unmask, ongoing lung issues, significantly immunocompromised. So is that the end game?

I wonder this too. I know a kid with a condition ACLU is yelling about. Despite the family’s warranted extreme caution he still got Covid (thankfully he was fine, because kids with his condition have entire protocols they use for every respiratory disease, plus yay vaccines!). Universal masking didn’t make him safer enough - but treatment and vaccines did.

Are you unable to understand the concept of a multi-layered approach to public health, or is this more of a willful ignorance thing?

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Anonymous wrote:It's just Youngkin trying to grab credit for the pandemic ending. Makes me hate him even more.

The fact that Dem governors are also dropping mask mandates makes your assessment sound even more ridiculous than it did when he was elected based on making it a choice for parents.

Virginia did not do what those Democratic governors did. They ended statewide mandates but allowed local district to make their own rules. Virginia has banned local discretion making it like FL and TX.

I wonder if there is any difference between FL and Texas, versus NoVa ? NoVa will never end the restrictions without a requirement. I live in NoVA. 90+% are still wearing masks in grocery stores - it is ridiculous.

Why does it bother you that other people choose to wear masks in the grocery store?

This is a red herring. Who cares. The only thing that matters is when people are forced to mask when vaccines are available and that should stop now.

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Anonymous wrote:And here’s one lawsuit:

FCPS’s school board met with their lawyers this afternoon too. What about APS? Guess is they’ll be moving together.

I'm assuming ACPS will join them. This just sucks, my kid does have a disability that masks are definitely not helping and actively hurting, but ACLU isn't interested in those kids I guess. Everything I've seen about the cases they are representing are for kids for whom it will literally never be safe to unmask, ongoing lung issues, significantly immunocompromised. So is that the end game?

I wonder this too. I know a kid with a condition ACLU is yelling about. Despite the family’s warranted extreme caution he still got Covid (thankfully he was fine, because kids with his condition have entire protocols they use for every respiratory disease, plus yay vaccines!). Universal masking didn’t make him safer enough - but treatment and vaccines did.

Are you unable to understand the concept of a multi-layered approach to public health, or is this more of a willful ignorance thing?

Idk you’re pretty willfully ignorant about the low risk of covid to kids so you’re not setting a good example of taking your head out of the sand.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to see that at least some language has been added back in to allow the governor to reinstate mandates. Seems like even Youngkin knows there will be more waves and more death before COVID is done with us for good. But, it should be the local school boards making these decisions based on local conditions, not some Trump hack in Richmond who wants to score points with a COVID-brain addled base.

Remember this next time a republican claims it is the Dems who the party of big government and republicans are the party of local government.

This was an unusual situation because Dems got drunk on power and didn’t want to give up control once they had a taste. If you watched the discussions in the House and Senate, Dems looked like children who had their favorite stuffed animal snatched away. They were almost crying.

I wish someone could explain to me from a psychological POV exactly why people are losing their minds over this. I cannot believe it’s because they think masks actually “work,” or even if they did, why they think there is enough Covid around to actually worry about. It’s something much deeper that is driving people to near madness. I would love to understand better

Some people have their vaccine and don't care about kids under 5 with health conditions that put them at risk for COVID.

PP again. It’s way more than that. I have 2 unvaccinated kids under 5 and I don’t give it a second thought. Granted, they don’t have unusual health conditions but if they did, I would view it as my responsibility to protect them. Not everyone else.

Do you feel that way when your kids are coughing a lot and sneezing all over the place? When they have pink eye? When they've thrown up or had diarrhea in the past 24 hours? in those circumstances do you still take them to daycare or play dates or classes where they're sharing toys and germs with other kids? In those situations do you feel it it is all of the other parents' responsibilities to keep their own kids home if they want to keep them from getting your child's cold, stomach bug, or pick eye?

Not that I see the relevance of these questions but of course I do. If they are (really) sick, I keep them home because they don’t feel well. I do not keep them home for every little sniffle. What does that have to do with why people have gone insane to advocate for masking?

You keep them home because your kids aren't feeling well (so it is only about your kids) or you keep them home so they don't get other kids sick? If the later it is the same with masks. Taking measure to prevent spreading disease to other people.

I didn't mean every little sniffle. I should have said something like a yucky runny nose or something like that.

I keep them home primarily because they don’t feel well. Yes of course it’s about them; I’m their mother.

Most people also recognize they shouldn't take their contagious kids around other kids to help keep the other kids.

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Anonymous wrote:It's just Youngkin trying to grab credit for the pandemic ending. Makes me hate him even more.

The fact that Dem governors are also dropping mask mandates makes your assessment sound even more ridiculous than it did when he was elected based on making it a choice for parents.

Virginia did not do what those Democratic governors did. They ended statewide mandates but allowed local district to make their own rules. Virginia has banned local discretion making it like FL and TX.

I wonder if there is any difference between FL and Texas, versus NoVa ? NoVa will never end the restrictions without a requirement. I live in NoVA. 90+% are still wearing masks in grocery stores - it is ridiculous.

Why does it bother you that other people choose to wear masks in the grocery store?

This is a red herring. Who cares. The only thing that matters is when people are forced to mask when vaccines are available and that should stop now.

Said by someone who has a vaccine available to them and their family member and couldn't care less about people still waiting for a vaccine for their own kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Glad to see that at least some language has been added back in to allow the governor to reinstate mandates. Seems like even Youngkin knows there will be more waves and more death before COVID is done with us for good. But, it should be the local school boards making these decisions based on local conditions, not some Trump hack in Richmond who wants to score points with a COVID-brain addled base.

Remember this next time a republican claims it is the Dems who the party of big government and republicans are the party of local government.

This was an unusual situation because Dems got drunk on power and didn’t want to give up control once they had a taste. If you watched the discussions in the House and Senate, Dems looked like children who had their favorite stuffed animal snatched away. They were almost crying.

I wish someone could explain to me from a psychological POV exactly why people are losing their minds over this. I cannot believe it’s because they think masks actually “work,” or even if they did, why they think there is enough Covid around to actually worry about. It’s something much deeper that is driving people to near madness. I would love to understand better

Some people have their vaccine and don't care about kids under 5 with health conditions that put them at risk for COVID.

PP again. It’s way more than that. I have 2 unvaccinated kids under 5 and I don’t give it a second thought. Granted, they don’t have unusual health conditions but if they did, I would view it as my responsibility to protect them. Not everyone else.

Do you feel that way when your kids are coughing a lot and sneezing all over the place? When they have pink eye? When they've thrown up or had diarrhea in the past 24 hours? in those circumstances do you still take them to daycare or play dates or classes where they're sharing toys and germs with other kids? In those situations do you feel it it is all of the other parents' responsibilities to keep their own kids home if they want to keep them from getting your child's cold, stomach bug, or pick eye?

Not that I see the relevance of these questions but of course I do. If they are (really) sick, I keep them home because they don’t feel well. I do not keep them home for every little sniffle. What does that have to do with why people have gone insane to advocate for masking?

You keep them home because your kids aren't feeling well (so it is only about your kids) or you keep them home so they don't get other kids sick? If the later it is the same with masks. Taking measure to prevent spreading disease to other people.

I didn't mean every little sniffle. I should have said something like a yucky runny nose or something like that.

I keep them home primarily because they don’t feel well. Yes of course it’s about them; I’m their mother.

Most people also recognize they shouldn't take their contagious kids around other kids to help keep the other kids.

No, “most people,” at least those who have a modicum of knowledge about science, health and germs, know that we do not, can not and should not pretend to live in a germ free bubble world. The pandemic has done a number on your rational sense, PP. We all have and are continually spreading all kinds of germs. Most won’t make you actually sick; some will. That’s just reality. Welcome back to it.

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Anonymous wrote:And here’s one lawsuit:

FCPS’s school board met with their lawyers this afternoon too. What about APS? Guess is they’ll be moving together.

I'm assuming ACPS will join them. This just sucks, my kid does have a disability that masks are definitely not helping and actively hurting, but ACLU isn't interested in those kids I guess. Everything I've seen about the cases they are representing are for kids for whom it will literally never be safe to unmask, ongoing lung issues, significantly immunocompromised. So is that the end game?

I wonder this too. I know a kid with a condition ACLU is yelling about. Despite the family’s warranted extreme caution he still got Covid (thankfully he was fine, because kids with his condition have entire protocols they use for every respiratory disease, plus yay vaccines!). Universal masking didn’t make him safer enough - but treatment and vaccines did.

Are you unable to understand the concept of a multi-layered approach to public health, or is this more of a willful ignorance thing?

I understand that permanent mask mandates aren’t good for schools and they need other layers (ventilation and paid sick leave are options) to help these kids, plus remote options when needed. All northern Virginia districts have remote options, most have improved ventilation.

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Anonymous wrote:It's just Youngkin trying to grab credit for the pandemic ending. Makes me hate him even more.

The fact that Dem governors are also dropping mask mandates makes your assessment sound even more ridiculous than it did when he was elected based on making it a choice for parents.

Virginia did not do what those Democratic governors did. They ended statewide mandates but allowed local district to make their own rules. Virginia has banned local discretion making it like FL and TX.

I wonder if there is any difference between FL and Texas, versus NoVa ? NoVa will never end the restrictions without a requirement. I live in NoVA. 90+% are still wearing masks in grocery stores - it is ridiculous.

Why does it bother you that other people choose to wear masks in the grocery store?

This is a red herring. Who cares. The only thing that matters is when people are forced to mask when vaccines are available and that should stop now.

Said by someone who has a vaccine available to them and their family member and couldn't care less about people still waiting for a vaccine for their own kids.

Pretty sure the preschool kids in public school already take their masks off for lunch and nap time. The masks are just decorative.

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Anonymous wrote:It's just Youngkin trying to grab credit for the pandemic ending. Makes me hate him even more.

The fact that Dem governors are also dropping mask mandates makes your assessment sound even more ridiculous than it did when he was elected based on making it a choice for parents.

Virginia did not do what those Democratic governors did. They ended statewide mandates but allowed local district to make their own rules. Virginia has banned local discretion making it like FL and TX.

I wonder if there is any difference between FL and Texas, versus NoVa ? NoVa will never end the restrictions without a requirement. I live in NoVA. 90+% are still wearing masks in grocery stores - it is ridiculous.

Why does it bother you that other people choose to wear masks in the grocery store?

This is a red herring. Who cares. The only thing that matters is when people are forced to mask when vaccines are available and that should stop now.

Said by someone who has a vaccine available to them and their family member and couldn't care less about people still waiting for a vaccine for their own kids.

I’m happy to stay away from your kids. They have no reason to interact with mine in school.

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Anonymous wrote:And here’s one lawsuit:

FCPS’s school board met with their lawyers this afternoon too. What about APS? Guess is they’ll be moving together.

I'm assuming ACPS will join them. This just sucks, my kid does have a disability that masks are definitely not helping and actively hurting, but ACLU isn't interested in those kids I guess. Everything I've seen about the cases they are representing are for kids for whom it will literally never be safe to unmask, ongoing lung issues, significantly immunocompromised. So is that the end game?

I wonder this too. I know a kid with a condition ACLU is yelling about. Despite the family’s warranted extreme caution he still got Covid (thankfully he was fine, because kids with his condition have entire protocols they use for every respiratory disease, plus yay vaccines!). Universal masking didn’t make him safer enough - but treatment and vaccines did.

Are you unable to understand the concept of a multi-layered approach to public health, or is this more of a willful ignorance thing?

Idk you’re pretty willfully ignorant about the low risk of covid to kids so you’re not setting a good example of taking your head out of the sand.

You’re not exactly demonstrating an understanding of a multi-layered approach.

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Anonymous wrote:And here’s one lawsuit:

FCPS’s school board met with their lawyers this afternoon too. What about APS? Guess is they’ll be moving together.

I'm assuming ACPS will join them. This just sucks, my kid does have a disability that masks are definitely not helping and actively hurting, but ACLU isn't interested in those kids I guess. Everything I've seen about the cases they are representing are for kids for whom it will literally never be safe to unmask, ongoing lung issues, significantly immunocompromised. So is that the end game?

I wonder this too. I know a kid with a condition ACLU is yelling about. Despite the family’s warranted extreme caution he still got Covid (thankfully he was fine, because kids with his condition have entire protocols they use for every respiratory disease, plus yay vaccines!). Universal masking didn’t make him safer enough - but treatment and vaccines did.

Are you unable to understand the concept of a multi-layered approach to public health, or is this more of a willful ignorance thing?

Idk you’re pretty willfully ignorant about the low risk of covid to kids so you’re not setting a good example of taking your head out of the sand.

You know the kids aren’t in the building by themselves, right?

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Anonymous wrote:It's just Youngkin trying to grab credit for the pandemic ending. Makes me hate him even more.

The fact that Dem governors are also dropping mask mandates makes your assessment sound even more ridiculous than it did when he was elected based on making it a choice for parents.

Virginia did not do what those Democratic governors did. They ended statewide mandates but allowed local district to make their own rules. Virginia has banned local discretion making it like FL and TX.

I wonder if there is any difference between FL and Texas, versus NoVa ? NoVa will never end the restrictions without a requirement. I live in NoVA. 90+% are still wearing masks in grocery stores - it is ridiculous.

Why does it bother you that other people choose to wear masks in the grocery store?

This is a red herring. Who cares. The only thing that matters is when people are forced to mask when vaccines are available and that should stop now.

DP. Apparently the previous poster who complained about other people wearing masks in grocery stores cares.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw the tweet from the Virginia ACLU a and I inferred form it that they would be suing in federal court that a federal law (the ADA) has been violated.

If they are successful in having the new law deemed in violation of the ADA would this have widespread implications outside of Virginia. Hence would other states that allow unmasked children at school also be in violation of the ADA?

I guess anything can happen - but I don’t feel like the ACLU is going to win at a time when vaccines are widely available. I don’t think it’s reasonable to force a young kid who is vaccinated and has had covid to boot, to mask in school anymore, for example. It will be interesting to see what happens.

This. I think this is becoming hugely political, on a national scale, if this is filed in federal court. A lawsuit like this could also affect the 49 other states in their adherence to the ADA. It would throw us even further into the national spotlight, for what I believe is political coverage. I also agree that the ACLU probably wouldn't win. This seems to be spiraling out of control. And in the end it's the children who suffer.

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Anonymous wrote:And here’s one lawsuit:

FCPS’s school board met with their lawyers this afternoon too. What about APS? Guess is they’ll be moving together.

I'm assuming ACPS will join them. This just sucks, my kid does have a disability that masks are definitely not helping and actively hurting, but ACLU isn't interested in those kids I guess. Everything I've seen about the cases they are representing are for kids for whom it will literally never be safe to unmask, ongoing lung issues, significantly immunocompromised. So is that the end game?

I wonder this too. I know a kid with a condition ACLU is yelling about. Despite the family’s warranted extreme caution he still got Covid (thankfully he was fine, because kids with his condition have entire protocols they use for every respiratory disease, plus yay vaccines!). Universal masking didn’t make him safer enough - but treatment and vaccines did.

Are you unable to understand the concept of a multi-layered approach to public health, or is this more of a willful ignorance thing?

Idk you’re pretty willfully ignorant about the low risk of covid to kids so you’re not setting a good example of taking your head out of the sand.

You know the kids aren’t in the building by themselves, right?

Staff should be vaccinated. Someone so at risk that the vaccine is not enough should be working for a remote school program.

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Anonymous wrote:And here’s one lawsuit:

FCPS’s school board met with their lawyers this afternoon too. What about APS? Guess is they’ll be moving together.

I'm assuming ACPS will join them. This just sucks, my kid does have a disability that masks are definitely not helping and actively hurting, but ACLU isn't interested in those kids I guess. Everything I've seen about the cases they are representing are for kids for whom it will literally never be safe to unmask, ongoing lung issues, significantly immunocompromised. So is that the end game?

I wonder this too. I know a kid with a condition ACLU is yelling about. Despite the family’s warranted extreme caution he still got Covid (thankfully he was fine, because kids with his condition have entire protocols they use for every respiratory disease, plus yay vaccines!). Universal masking didn’t make him safer enough - but treatment and vaccines did.

Are you unable to understand the concept of a multi-layered approach to public health, or is this more of a willful ignorance thing?

Idk you’re pretty willfully ignorant about the low risk of covid to kids so you’re not setting a good example of taking your head out of the sand.

You’re not exactly demonstrating an understanding of a multi-layered approach.

I think multilayer can NOW include less restrictive measures such as air filtration, open windows, and vaccines - and that in 2022 we don't need to force the restrictive mask layer approach for all and allow people to do it optionally as they want. That's what multi layer looks like in 2022.