Hogan v Jealous

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think both statewide amendments got 70+%. No idea which county you mean but you can check the board of elections website

Moco
My god, people voted for a county spoils system. Unbelievable. All the ballet initiatives passed.



https://results.elections.maryland.gov/elections/2018/results/general/gen_qresults_2018_2_16_1.html

Ballot initiatives always get a Yes vote unless there was big press about them. They were so poorly worded that it just confused voters and they just voted yes anyway.

Yea I had trouble understanding these, and wasn’t sure where to go for clarity.

We had a discussion here about them. QA was fine. QB limits the county's ability to raise taxes, even in an emergency, which isn't good. QC is horrible because it allows council members to have more than one appointed (non-merit based) employees. It got the least votes for it out of the three but it was still voted for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who did moco vote for? If moco voted for hogan, then the Dems need to determine why. If reliably liberal voters are supporting a republican, that is very telling.

I’m a Democrat and I voted for Hogan because of Ben Jealous’s education plan. We already struggle to have enough money to deal with overcrowded schools and the needs of all our students. We don’t need more of our tax revenue going to subsidize other counties.

That was what did it for me too. Only R I voted for yesterday.

Same here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think both statewide amendments got 70+%. No idea which county you mean but you can check the board of elections website

Moco
My god, people voted for a county spoils system. Unbelievable. All the ballet initiatives passed.



https://results.elections.maryland.gov/elections/2018/results/general/gen_qresults_2018_2_16_1.html

Ballot initiatives always get a Yes vote unless there was big press about them. They were so poorly worded that it just confused voters and they just voted yes anyway.

Yea I had trouble understanding these, and wasn’t sure where to go for clarity.

We had a discussion here about them. QA was fine. QB limits the county's ability to raise taxes, even in an emergency, which isn't good. QC is horrible because it allows council members to have more than one appointed (non-merit based) employees. It got the least votes for it out of the three but it was still voted for.

Surprised people voted for B and C. I have to admit I didn’t read any of them until I got to the polling place but still could see that B and C were dumb and voted No. This is an argument for voting by mail, so you have time to consider your answers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think both statewide amendments got 70+%. No idea which county you mean but you can check the board of elections website

Moco
My god, people voted for a county spoils system. Unbelievable. All the ballet initiatives passed.



https://results.elections.maryland.gov/elections/2018/results/general/gen_qresults_2018_2_16_1.html

Ballot initiatives always get a Yes vote unless there was big press about them. They were so poorly worded that it just confused voters and they just voted yes anyway.

Yea I had trouble understanding these, and wasn’t sure where to go for clarity.

We had a discussion here about them. QA was fine. QB limits the county's ability to raise taxes, even in an emergency, which isn't good. QC is horrible because it allows council members to have more than one appointed (non-merit based) employees. It got the least votes for it out of the three but it was still voted for.

Surprised people voted for B and C. I have to admit I didn’t read any of them until I got to the polling place but still could see that B and C were dumb and voted No. This is an argument for voting by mail, so you have time to consider your answers.

The ballot initiatives are no secret. If you do your research you can look them up beforehand and figure out your answers. The only reason they'd be new to you is if you're lazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think both statewide amendments got 70+%. No idea which county you mean but you can check the board of elections website

Moco
My god, people voted for a county spoils system. Unbelievable. All the ballet initiatives passed.



https://results.elections.maryland.gov/elections/2018/results/general/gen_qresults_2018_2_16_1.html

Ballot initiatives always get a Yes vote unless there was big press about them. They were so poorly worded that it just confused voters and they just voted yes anyway.

Yea I had trouble understanding these, and wasn’t sure where to go for clarity.

We had a discussion here about them. QA was fine. QB limits the county's ability to raise taxes, even in an emergency, which isn't good. QC is horrible because it allows council members to have more than one appointed (non-merit based) employees. It got the least votes for it out of the three but it was still voted for.

Surprised people voted for B and C. I have to admit I didn’t read any of them until I got to the polling place but still could see that B and C were dumb and voted No. This is an argument for voting by mail, so you have time to consider your answers.

The ballot initiatives are no secret. If you do your research you can look them up beforehand and figure out your answers. The only reason they'd be new to you is if you're lazy.

Which based on the outcome the majority of voters are. So instead of calling people lazy maybe we think about how to make the process more effective. Meet people where they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think both statewide amendments got 70+%. No idea which county you mean but you can check the board of elections website

Moco
My god, people voted for a county spoils system. Unbelievable. All the ballet initiatives passed.



https://results.elections.maryland.gov/elections/2018/results/general/gen_qresults_2018_2_16_1.html

Ballot initiatives always get a Yes vote unless there was big press about them. They were so poorly worded that it just confused voters and they just voted yes anyway.

Yea I had trouble understanding these, and wasn’t sure where to go for clarity.

We had a discussion here about them. QA was fine. QB limits the county's ability to raise taxes, even in an emergency, which isn't good. QC is horrible because it allows council members to have more than one appointed (non-merit based) employees. It got the least votes for it out of the three but it was still voted for.

Surprised people voted for B and C. I have to admit I didn’t read any of them until I got to the polling place but still could see that B and C were dumb and voted No. This is an argument for voting by mail, so you have time to consider your answers.

The ballot initiatives are no secret. If you do your research you can look them up beforehand and figure out your answers. The only reason they'd be new to you is if you're lazy.

Which based on the outcome the majority of voters are. So instead of calling people lazy maybe we think about how to make the process more effective. Meet people where they are.

How would voting by mail improve things? That doesn't force people to become informed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think both statewide amendments got 70+%. No idea which county you mean but you can check the board of elections website

Moco
My god, people voted for a county spoils system. Unbelievable. All the ballet initiatives passed.



https://results.elections.maryland.gov/elections/2018/results/general/gen_qresults_2018_2_16_1.html

Ballot initiatives always get a Yes vote unless there was big press about them. They were so poorly worded that it just confused voters and they just voted yes anyway.

Yea I had trouble understanding these, and wasn’t sure where to go for clarity.

We had a discussion here about them. QA was fine. QB limits the county's ability to raise taxes, even in an emergency, which isn't good. QC is horrible because it allows council members to have more than one appointed (non-merit based) employees. It got the least votes for it out of the three but it was still voted for.

Surprised people voted for B and C. I have to admit I didn’t read any of them until I got to the polling place but still could see that B and C were dumb and voted No. This is an argument for voting by mail, so you have time to consider your answers.

The ballot initiatives are no secret. If you do your research you can look them up beforehand and figure out your answers. The only reason they'd be new to you is if you're lazy.

Which based on the outcome the majority of voters are. So instead of calling people lazy maybe we think about how to make the process more effective. Meet people where they are.

How would voting by mail improve things? That doesn't force people to become informed.

Time. Voting by mail gives you the time to look things up and research. At the ballot box, you just want to fill in the circles and get out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who did moco vote for? If moco voted for hogan, then the Dems need to determine why. If reliably liberal voters are supporting a republican, that is very telling.

It's not hard to figure out. Hogan has been a decent governor and is fairly moderate. Jealous is not moderate at all; he's in the Sanders mold, which is not (at least yet) the mainstream for most Democrats. Most of the Democrats I know voted straight Dem with the exception of Hogan and, in some cases, Floreen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think both statewide amendments got 70+%. No idea which county you mean but you can check the board of elections website

Moco
My god, people voted for a county spoils system. Unbelievable. All the ballet initiatives passed.



https://results.elections.maryland.gov/elections/2018/results/general/gen_qresults_2018_2_16_1.html

Ballot initiatives always get a Yes vote unless there was big press about them. They were so poorly worded that it just confused voters and they just voted yes anyway.

Yea I had trouble understanding these, and wasn’t sure where to go for clarity.

We had a discussion here about them. QA was fine. QB limits the county's ability to raise taxes, even in an emergency, which isn't good. QC is horrible because it allows council members to have more than one appointed (non-merit based) employees. It got the least votes for it out of the three but it was still voted for.

Surprised people voted for B and C. I have to admit I didn’t read any of them until I got to the polling place but still could see that B and C were dumb and voted No. This is an argument for voting by mail, so you have time to consider your answers.

The ballot initiatives are no secret. If you do your research you can look them up beforehand and figure out your answers. The only reason they'd be new to you is if you're lazy.

Which based on the outcome the majority of voters are. So instead of calling people lazy maybe we think about how to make the process more effective. Meet people where they are.

How would voting by mail improve things? That doesn't force people to become informed.

Time. Voting by mail gives you the time to look things up and research. At the ballot box, you just want to fill in the circles and get out.

That's silly. You get a ballot ahead of time in the mail either way. You can research it at your leisure and bring it with you. If the initiatives were news to you when you got into the voting station, that's your own fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think both statewide amendments got 70+%. No idea which county you mean but you can check the board of elections website

Moco
My god, people voted for a county spoils system. Unbelievable. All the ballet initiatives passed.



https://results.elections.maryland.gov/elections/2018/results/general/gen_qresults_2018_2_16_1.html

Ballot initiatives always get a Yes vote unless there was big press about them. They were so poorly worded that it just confused voters and they just voted yes anyway.

Yea I had trouble understanding these, and wasn’t sure where to go for clarity.

We had a discussion here about them. QA was fine. QB limits the county's ability to raise taxes, even in an emergency, which isn't good. QC is horrible because it allows council members to have more than one appointed (non-merit based) employees. It got the least votes for it out of the three but it was still voted for.

Merit-based hiring isn't everything. I work for a federal agency that is mostly merit-based but the top folks have confidential assistants who are their own selections, not merit-based. I have not seen any real difference between the two and I work with all of them on a frequent basis. I voted in favor of the amendment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think both statewide amendments got 70+%. No idea which county you mean but you can check the board of elections website

Moco
My god, people voted for a county spoils system. Unbelievable. All the ballet initiatives passed.



https://results.elections.maryland.gov/elections/2018/results/general/gen_qresults_2018_2_16_1.html

Ballot initiatives always get a Yes vote unless there was big press about them. They were so poorly worded that it just confused voters and they just voted yes anyway.

Yea I had trouble understanding these, and wasn’t sure where to go for clarity.

We had a discussion here about them. QA was fine. QB limits the county's ability to raise taxes, even in an emergency, which isn't good. QC is horrible because it allows council members to have more than one appointed (non-merit based) employees. It got the least votes for it out of the three but it was still voted for.

Surprised people voted for B and C. I have to admit I didn’t read any of them until I got to the polling place but still could see that B and C were dumb and voted No. This is an argument for voting by mail, so you have time to consider your answers.

The ballot initiatives are no secret. If you do your research you can look them up beforehand and figure out your answers. The only reason they'd be new to you is if you're lazy.

Which based on the outcome the majority of voters are. So instead of calling people lazy maybe we think about how to make the process more effective. Meet people where they are.

How would voting by mail improve things? That doesn't force people to become informed.

Time. Voting by mail gives you the time to look things up and research. At the ballot box, you just want to fill in the circles and get out.

That's silly. You get a ballot ahead of time in the mail either way. You can research it at your leisure and bring it with you. If the initiatives were news to you when you got into the voting station, that's your own fault.

Agree. I filled out my ballot at home while researching the candidates and the initiatives. I brought the "cheat sheet" into the polls with me and just copied my responses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

How would voting by mail improve things? That doesn't force people to become informed.

Time. Voting by mail gives you the time to look things up and research. At the ballot box, you just want to fill in the circles and get out.

That's silly. You get a ballot ahead of time in the mail either way. You can research it at your leisure and bring it with you. If the initiatives were news to you when you got into the voting station, that's your own fault.

Agree. I filled out my ballot at home while researching the candidates and the initiatives. I brought the "cheat sheet" into the polls with me and just copied my responses.

I've been voting since 1983. I've been doing this (filling in the sample ballot and copying at the polling station) since about 1990. Nowadays, I spend the 2-4 nights before election day looking up candidates and ballot questions on the Internet and reading, then filling it in. I like having several days to research and then getting in and out quickly.

Additionally, the last 3 even numbered years, I go and vote around 9:30-10 AM and then go to work late, so that I don't have to wait in lines. The morning rush clears out around 9AM and so I rarely spend more than 10 minutes there. This year the attendance was more like a presidential year than a mid-term and there was an actual wait at 10:30. I was still in and out in 20 minutes.

[Anonymous]

Anyone have exit polls for this race - I have a feeling beckies who normally vote dem, fled away from jealous big time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who did moco vote for? If moco voted for hogan, then the Dems need to determine why. If reliably liberal voters are supporting a republican, that is very telling.

It's not hard to figure out. Hogan has been a decent governor and is fairly moderate. Jealous is not moderate at all; he's in the Sanders mold, which is not (at least yet) the mainstream for most Democrats. Most of the Democrats I know voted straight Dem with the exception of Hogan and, in some cases, Floreen.

So you admit that md Dems are mostly neoliberal selfish cucks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who did moco vote for? If moco voted for hogan, then the Dems need to determine why. If reliably liberal voters are supporting a republican, that is very telling.

It's not hard to figure out. Hogan has been a decent governor and is fairly moderate. Jealous is not moderate at all; he's in the Sanders mold, which is not (at least yet) the mainstream for most Democrats. Most of the Democrats I know voted straight Dem with the exception of Hogan and, in some cases, Floreen.

So you admit that md Dems are mostly neoliberal selfish cucks

Way to elevate the discourse.