The game and Alpha/Beta

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no patience for women that have no sympathy for guys in the approach department. Many women think it doesn't involve any great skill. But their own conversational abilities suck. They think to the contrary because guys act interested. But that's largely because guys don't care what they say--especially at first-- they're just thinking if they want to have sex with them. For most women I've encountered, their standard approach (when they take the initiative) is "Hi" or "How's it going?" And it works because a guy is happy the woman is taking the initiative and showing interest. But if a guy did something that lame, it would be quick, easy, and decisive rejection. Guys--especially introverted guys--look to books and other sources for help, because what women say will work, doesn't in fact work in the slightest.

I have zero doubt that this is true. Women, especially young ones, expect guys to be able to interpret our mysterious ways and adjust their behavior accordingly.

I have plenty of sympathy for guys in the approach department. The human mating dance is a bitch. I have absolutely no sympathy for someone who thinks tricking or insulting women is the way to go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no patience for women that have no sympathy for guys in the approach department. Many women think it doesn't involve any great skill. But their own conversational abilities suck. They think to the contrary because guys act interested. But that's largely because guys don't care what they say--especially at first-- they're just thinking if they want to have sex with them. For most women I've encountered, their standard approach (when they take the initiative) is "Hi" or "How's it going?" And it works because a guy is happy the woman is taking the initiative and showing interest. But if a guy did something that lame, it would be quick, easy, and decisive rejection. Guys--especially introverted guys--look to books and other sources for help, because what women say will work, doesn't in fact work in the slightest.

As a bisexual woman who has had to approach many women (straight women, at that) and never needed to read any books or insult anyone in order to successfully get a phone number and date, I'm gonna have to go ahead and call bullshit on this dumb excuse.

Women are human beings. Talk to them as such. Pretty simple, really.

[Anonymous]

Women's magazines: "Men suck. Here's how to get yours."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Women's magazines: "Men suck. Here's how to get yours."

What magazines are you reading?

[Anonymous]

Bravo to the bisexual PP. But do you really think your situation is the same? Are the women you approach aware at the time that you're interested in them sexually? Or do you drop that bomb later, after you've approached them in a non-threatening manner? Most women are inherently kind to other women until they see them as competition. Their defenses are much higher with guys (imo).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bravo to the bisexual PP. But do you really think your situation is the same? Are the women you approach aware at the time that you're interested in them sexually? Or do you drop that bomb later, after you've approached them in a non-threatening manner? Most women are inherently kind to other women until they see them as competition. Their defenses are much higher with guys (imo).

Um, no I make it clear. I'm hardly "dropping a bomb" anyway.

I think if most people treated women as I treat them, as in respectfully, friendly, smoothly- they would get the number.

it's when you start doing weird shit like trying to subtly insult someone that most people realize you have some issues

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bravo to the bisexual PP. But do you really think your situation is the same? Are the women you approach aware at the time that you're interested in them sexually? Or do you drop that bomb later, after you've approached them in a non-threatening manner? Most women are inherently kind to other women until they see them as competition. Their defenses are much higher with guys (imo).

Um, no I make it clear. I'm hardly "dropping a bomb" anyway.

I think if most people treated women as I treat them, as in respectfully, friendly, smoothly- they would get the number.

it's when you start doing weird shit like trying to subtly insult someone that most people realize you have some issues

I have to respectfully disagree. Women being given attention from another woman are more receptive to conversation. I've hit on other women plenty of times in my life. On the occasions I was turned down, the tone of the meeting and conversation didn't change much. She simply declined and carried on. Guys do not get that same level of respect, not by a long shot.

[Anonymous]

Along the lines of the last PP, check out minutes 9-11 in this
https://youtu.be/Ip7kP_dd6LU

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no patience for women that have no sympathy for guys in the approach department. Many women think it doesn't involve any great skill. But their own conversational abilities suck. They think to the contrary because guys act interested. But that's largely because guys don't care what they say--especially at first-- they're just thinking if they want to have sex with them. For most women I've encountered, their standard approach (when they take the initiative) is "Hi" or "How's it going?" And it works because a guy is happy the woman is taking the initiative and showing interest. But if a guy did something that lame, it would be quick, easy, and decisive rejection. Guys--especially introverted guys--look to books and other sources for help, because what women say will work, doesn't in fact work in the slightest.

Guy here, when I was single, "hi" and "how's it going" were my go-to opening lines and were often successful. But I was mostly approaching women who, seconds prior, had been making flirty eye contact. I think some guys are under the impression from movies that you're supposed to approach a woman who shows no interest in you and "woo" her. That's how it works some of the time but more commonly you are approaching a woman who has demonstrated some interest, either in previous conversations or eyes or body languge or you heard from a mutual friend etc. In those cases "hi" and a smile will usually result in a conversation and a future meet-up...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no patience for women that have no sympathy for guys in the approach department. Many women think it doesn't involve any great skill. But their own conversational abilities suck. They think to the contrary because guys act interested. But that's largely because guys don't care what they say--especially at first-- they're just thinking if they want to have sex with them. For most women I've encountered, their standard approach (when they take the initiative) is "Hi" or "How's it going?" And it works because a guy is happy the woman is taking the initiative and showing interest. But if a guy did something that lame, it would be quick, easy, and decisive rejection. Guys--especially introverted guys--look to books and other sources for help, because what women say will work, doesn't in fact work in the slightest.

Guy here, when I was single, "hi" and "how's it going" were my go-to opening lines and were often successful. But I was mostly approaching women who, seconds prior, had been making flirty eye contact. I think some guys are under the impression from movies that you're supposed to approach a woman who shows no interest in you and "woo" her. That's how it works some of the time but more commonly you are approaching a woman who has demonstrated some interest, either in previous conversations or eyes or body languge or you heard from a mutual friend etc. In those cases "hi" and a smile will usually result in a conversation and a future meet-up...

Woman and I agree with this. If a woman is attracted to you then you don't a pick up line. Just hello etc and carry on a conversation.

[Anonymous]

The guys who never get the come-hither looks can be confused if they don't understand how that angle works.

[Anonymous]

The thing about the PUA bullshit is that it starts from a place where women are not considered to be individual human beings worth respect. They're not designed to build relationships with other people. They're designed to achieve sexual satisfaction or external validation.

Men who internalize these messages objectify women. They have a "manual" of techniques that will work on "women." It doesn't even matter who the target is, as long as she's an attractive female - and it's ALWAYS an attractive female. They're not interested in fat women or plain women, except insofar as those women may be more receptive even to disrespectful attention because they don't get a lot of attention.

Then when this strategy doesn't work, they talk about how bitchy attractive women are, how they just judge men by their looks and their bank accounts, how they're misunderstood and wronged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The thing about the PUA bullshit is that it starts from a place where women are not considered to be individual human beings worth respect. They're not designed to build relationships with other people. They're designed to achieve sexual satisfaction or external validation.

Men who internalize these messages objectify women. They have a "manual" of techniques that will work on "women." It doesn't even matter who the target is, as long as she's an attractive female - and it's ALWAYS an attractive female. They're not interested in fat women or plain women, except insofar as those women may be more receptive even to disrespectful attention because they don't get a lot of attention.

Then when this strategy doesn't work, they talk about how bitchy attractive women are, how they just judge men by their looks and their bank accounts, how they're misunderstood and wronged.

Yep. And they say things like, "Women are too picky. They go for only attractive guys when a nice guy is right there in front of them."

Meanwhile, they usually are pursuing the very traditionally attractive women, never even sparing a thought for women who are not conventionally attractive or overweight. So it's the hypocritical mess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing about the PUA bullshit is that it starts from a place where women are not considered to be individual human beings worth respect. They're not designed to build relationships with other people. They're designed to achieve sexual satisfaction or external validation.

Men who internalize these messages objectify women. They have a "manual" of techniques that will work on "women." It doesn't even matter who the target is, as long as she's an attractive female - and it's ALWAYS an attractive female. They're not interested in fat women or plain women, except insofar as those women may be more receptive even to disrespectful attention because they don't get a lot of attention.

Then when this strategy doesn't work, they talk about how bitchy attractive women are, how they just judge men by their looks and their bank accounts, how they're misunderstood and wronged.

Yep. And they say things like, "Women are too picky. They go for only attractive guys when a nice guy is right there in front of them."

Meanwhile, they usually are pursuing the very traditionally attractive women, never even sparing a thought for women who are not conventionally attractive or overweight. So it's the hypocritical mess.

Agree. Though I am actually most annoyed by the refusal to recognize that women are not some monolithic group who respond to the same thing. It's insulting. If you want me to sleep with you, I need to at some point get the sense that you're interested in ME, not that you're just interested in some random woman who fits my description.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no patience for women that have no sympathy for guys in the approach department. Many women think it doesn't involve any great skill. But their own conversational abilities suck. They think to the contrary because guys act interested. But that's largely because guys don't care what they say--especially at first-- they're just thinking if they want to have sex with them. For most women I've encountered, their standard approach (when they take the initiative) is "Hi" or "How's it going?" And it works because a guy is happy the woman is taking the initiative and showing interest. But if a guy did something that lame, it would be quick, easy, and decisive rejection. Guys--especially introverted guys--look to books and other sources for help, because what women say will work, doesn't in fact work in the slightest.

Guy here, when I was single, "hi" and "how's it going" were my go-to opening lines and were often successful. But I was mostly approaching women who, seconds prior, had been making flirty eye contact. I think some guys are under the impression from movies that you're supposed to approach a woman who shows no interest in you and "woo" her. That's how it works some of the time but more commonly you are approaching a woman who has demonstrated some interest, either in previous conversations or eyes or body languge or you heard from a mutual friend etc. In those cases "hi" and a smile will usually result in a conversation and a future meet-up...

"Hi" or "How's it going?"

Denzel Washington - it works.
Clarence Thomas - doesn't work.