+1,000 |
|
Schools are in a hard position, they are expected to provide services to every kid who needs them regardless of the cost. SPED is a huge percentage of a schools budget now and it is only getting worse due to poor behaviors from kids who have parents not parenting and having outbursts.
Schools are trying to make the system work with band aids and are incentivized to not provide services for kids. If you have a kid on grade level, even if that is a C, with a learning issue, you are not likely to get an IEP without a serious fight. DS had a whole word stutter and articulation issues in K. The speech therapist said that his testing showed he was advanced so he was not eligible for speech at school because there was no impact on his ability to learn. His K teacher fought that, she could see where the stutter and articulation would impact his ability to participate in the future. We got lucky and he was placed in speech, he was there until 6th grade. There are reasons for advocates and lawyers, some schools are notoriously stingy with providing services because they don't have the staff/money to handle the needs. It sucks for the school, the kids, and the parents. There are also people who abuse the system or insist that their kid has to have accommodations that are expensive and not necessary. Parents forget that the goal is to get kids on grade level and not to work with them to reach their full potential. The latter is the ideal, but the schools simply cannot do that. Plenty of kids can be at grade level with 504s and not IEPs but there are kids who need the specialized services. Public schools are in a crappy place because teachers want to help kids reach their potential but there is not enough money to do that. |
That’s right - I am my kid’s best advocate. |
Interesting how you have no response to the clearly well deserved criticism that your post has been receiving, though. |
Just to add some nuance - my “problem” kid is also in a T1 school and I do feel like there are more resources and a better overall culture to support kids. Including very clear and tight discipline which may look like “tough love.” But the problem has sometimes been that my kid actually doesn’t have trauma so “trauma informed” doesn’t work for him. In fact “tough love” is sometimes better. But at the end of the day I agree that T1 schools sometimes do it much better. |
I have BTDT and can detect when a school is out of its depth and not helping. In some cases you can work with the school but with a very young child and a school clearly not getting it, leaving the school is often the best option. Contrary to what you claim, the school doesn’t appear to be doing anything to actually support the kid (or her parents). If you think schools hand out IEPs proactively like candy, good luck to you. |
| she might have ADHD |
Not the Lawyer poster here but if the school has noted the issue of elopement and shutting down in class and has suspended the student but has not called for a meeting to discuss the need for testing then the school is not handling the situation well. A child who is eloping should lead to the school initiating meetings with the parents to get permission to test for issues. If the school has reached out to the parents and the parents have not agreed to a meeting, that is a different scenario. OPs post doesn't say how the school has discussed this with the parents or if they have requested, in writing, a meeting to discuss testing and evaluation for their kid. The OPs post does not mention conversations with their pediatrician about their kids' issues. I assume that there has been some type of evaluation because of the play therapy but that has not been stated. I wouldn't jump straight to needing an advocate but I would not count on the school to be doing the right thing either. The OP needs to start the process with the school. If the school has been reaching out and the parents have not agreed to a meeting or an evaluation, then I can see that the school is gathering data to force the issue. |
I realize adhd is not the same for everyone but my DD has adhd and has none of these behaviors. None. |
Sure. But this kid likely needs some label to get services and ADHD is the go-to these days. |
|
It's very possible that the school is acting inappropriately, and it's certainly possible that once she's gotten the "problem child" label, she's getting punished more severely than others would for minor infractions like not wanting to talk.
But it's also crystal clear from your OP that you have your head in the sand. Your whole first paragraph, where you setup the problem, is about her shutting down, not talking, being silent, and how she's in therapy to help with that. In smaller throwaways later, though, you mention "throwing a fit" and "walking the halls without an adult." THOSE ARE THE PROBLEM. She's not in eighth grade, she's not in the hall without a hall pass. She's in Kindergarten! That's running away or eloping and it's incredibly dangerous to your child. Plus - throwing fits? What does that look like? Is she hitting or kicking other kids? Throwing things? Creating an unsafe environment? Yelling and scaring other kids? That's a HUGE problem that impacts everyone's ability to learn. Instead of focusing on the few areas where the school is overreacting, you need to focus your attention on the real issues that are creating safety issues and preventing the whole class (including your daughter) from learning. To address those, I would recommend another post in the SN forum where you can get tips from parents who have been there - she may need testing and diagnosis, an IEP, additional therapies, you may need additional parenting techniques, who knows. I'm sure she's a great kid, and you love her, but glossing over the real problems she's creating at school is not helping her. You need to face those head on. |
Sure … but the school (which has the responsibility to proactively address SN) is labeling the child the problem child instead of giving her supports. OP may have her head in the sand, but part of that is believing that the school is capable of rising to the occasion without the invocation of legal rights. Even then it may not work. If there is another school option it would be good to explore. |
PP to which you were responding. I see this completely in a different light. OP’s child is a problem child. She displays dangerous behaviors (eloping, throwing fits and being defiant) and is demonstrating that she can’t perform in that environment (shutting down). She has not been suspended. Instead she is on ISS, which can be their way of removing her from a situation causing her great distress and providing her with time to decompress before returning g to what is likely a chaotic classroom. The school is trying to involve parents by regular contact but they seem to be burying their heads in the sand until now. By both of these actions, the school is creating the documentation for potential interventions - kind of like an FBA. I do agree that OP needs to look into evaluations and also, if this is public school, looking into special education services through either a 504 or an IEP. Personally even with the little information we know, I’d guess an IEP is the more appropriate because of the elopement and possibly the throwing fits. And at that age, the shutting down and need for decompression time might also need an IEP. |
Nope. You are incredibly naive if you believe the school is doing anything proactive or helpful here. There is very little OP can do from home to solve school problems - so the school simply calling her to tell her does zero to actually help. |
|
Is this a private school? If so, consider your public school for next year, and get supports for her in place before the start of next year. That means getting a diagnosis and your own team of professionals who can advise what environment would work best for her. Then you take that knowledge to the school, call an IEP meeting, and get them to agree to the supports she needs.
Use the information from this year to help guide you. Take note of her struggles and when and where they occur so you can advocate on her behalf. Like is she always runs away from music class, could there be an auditory sensory issue? If she screams in math class could she have a number dyslexia problem that is frustrating her? Use what info the school gives you as clues. She is young and you are new to this. It will probably get better with knowledge and time, but you need to have the right tools and information to fight with. |