The end of higher ed Diversity

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Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

Why are poor students more "worthy" than Black students? Both have experienced obstacles.

Yeah I don't get why we're all of sudden putting FGLI on a pedestal at expense of Black students? Black Americans experience a lot of racism, even if they're rich. FGLI are going to take the brunt of White/Asian resentment next.

The schools emphasizing fgli is a way to find black americans in an indirect way, (the low income ones which overlap in the venn diagram of these two populations) without explicitly using race based affirmative action. Anyway, why should rich black americans get an advantage over poor black americans?

They’re rich. They should get better treatment.

+1, I'd rather my kid work with, roommate with, and live around Angela Bassett or Obama's child than some urban troglodyte.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

FGLI smart students are not the hillbilly elegy writers. Many are progressive people who can’t stand the toxic MAGAT culture.

You have these MSNBC talking points pre programmed in your little brain, but they aren't relevant here. JD Vance was adduced above not for his politics, but for his whiteness. FGLI filtering is going to pull in a substantial number of whites and Asians alongside the real targets (blacks). It accomplishes the goal of skin color diversity less efficiently.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

FGLI smart students are not the hillbilly elegy writers. Many are progressive people who can’t stand the toxic MAGAT culture.

You have these MSNBC talking points pre programmed in your little brain, but they aren't relevant here. JD Vance was adduced above not for his politics, but for his whiteness. FGLI filtering is going to pull in a substantial number of whites and Asians alongside the real targets (blacks). It accomplishes the goal of skin color diversity less efficiently.

I need you to understand that there’s so many more progressive rural people going to an ivy than JD Vance. Why do you think he got so popular? He’s an anomaly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

FGLI smart students are not the hillbilly elegy writers. Many are progressive people who can’t stand the toxic MAGAT culture.

You have these MSNBC talking points pre programmed in your little brain, but they aren't relevant here. JD Vance was adduced above not for his politics, but for his whiteness. FGLI filtering is going to pull in a substantial number of whites and Asians alongside the real targets (blacks). It accomplishes the goal of skin color diversity less efficiently.

I need you to understand that there’s so many more progressive rural people going to an ivy than JD Vance. Why do you think he got so popular? He’s an anomaly.

I don't care if every admitted FGLI student is a card carrying DSA member. My point is, the number will include a substantial number of white and Asian kids alongside the URMs, so selecting for FGLI is inefficient from the school's point of view.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

Why are poor students more "worthy" than Black students? Both have experienced obstacles.

Yeah I don't get why we're all of sudden putting FGLI on a pedestal at expense of Black students? Black Americans experience a lot of racism, even if they're rich. FGLI are going to take the brunt of White/Asian resentment next.

Experiencing racism does not mean they should get preference in college admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

FGLI smart students are not the hillbilly elegy writers. Many are progressive people who can’t stand the toxic MAGAT culture.

You have these MSNBC talking points pre programmed in your little brain, but they aren't relevant here. JD Vance was adduced above not for his politics, but for his whiteness. FGLI filtering is going to pull in a substantial number of whites and Asians alongside the real targets (blacks). It accomplishes the goal of skin color diversity less efficiently.

I need you to understand that there’s so many more progressive rural people going to an ivy than JD Vance. Why do you think he got so popular? He’s an anomaly.

I don't care if every admitted FGLI student is a card carrying DSA member. My point is, the number will include a substantial number of white and Asian kids alongside the URMs, so selecting for FGLI is inefficient from the school's point of view.

White enrollment is down too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

Why are poor students more "worthy" than Black students? Both have experienced obstacles.

Yeah I don't get why we're all of sudden putting FGLI on a pedestal at expense of Black students? Black Americans experience a lot of racism, even if they're rich. FGLI are going to take the brunt of White/Asian resentment next.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

FGLI smart students are not the hillbilly elegy writers. Many are progressive people who can’t stand the toxic MAGAT culture.

You have these MSNBC talking points pre programmed in your little brain, but they aren't relevant here. JD Vance was adduced above not for his politics, but for his whiteness. FGLI filtering is going to pull in a substantial number of whites and Asians alongside the real targets (blacks). It accomplishes the goal of skin color diversity less efficiently.

I need you to understand that there’s so many more progressive rural people going to an ivy than JD Vance. Why do you think he got so popular? He’s an anomaly.

I don't care if every admitted FGLI student is a card carrying DSA member. My point is, the number will include a substantial number of white and Asian kids alongside the URMs, so selecting for FGLI is inefficient from the school's point of view.

White enrollment is down too.

Exactly. Just Asian students increasing, year over year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

FGLI smart students are not the hillbilly elegy writers. Many are progressive people who can’t stand the toxic MAGAT culture.

You have these MSNBC talking points pre programmed in your little brain, but they aren't relevant here. JD Vance was adduced above not for his politics, but for his whiteness. FGLI filtering is going to pull in a substantial number of whites and Asians alongside the real targets (blacks). It accomplishes the goal of skin color diversity less efficiently.

I need you to understand that there’s so many more progressive rural people going to an ivy than JD Vance. Why do you think he got so popular? He’s an anomaly.

I don't care if every admitted FGLI student is a card carrying DSA member. My point is, the number will include a substantial number of white and Asian kids alongside the URMs, so selecting for FGLI is inefficient from the school's point of view.

White enrollment is down too.

Exactly. Just Asian students increasing, year over year.

There are so many Asians in all the top schools. So many. Which is fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

I support affirmative action but I agree with this. I attended an Ivy as a white working class kid on financial aid. My Black roommate whose parents were professors at a prestigious SLAC applied for and received numerous “minority fellowships.” Privileged people of color still encounter difficulties caused by racism that I will never be able to fathom but the first gen students of color were not even informed about those fellowships, they were stuck at work study jobs in the cafeteria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

I support affirmative action but I agree with this. I attended an Ivy as a white working class kid on financial aid. My Black roommate whose parents were professors at a prestigious SLAC applied for and received numerous “minority fellowships.” Privileged people of color still encounter difficulties caused by racism that I will never be able to fathom but the first gen students of color were not even informed about those fellowships, they were stuck at work study jobs in the cafeteria.

Sure but higher ed is nothing like that now. You can't even get a cafeteria job at most of the top schools anymore. Students are so much more aware of fellowship, graduate school, research, and career opportunities now, because there have been so many first gen students of color joining these campuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

FGLI smart students are not the hillbilly elegy writers. Many are progressive people who can’t stand the toxic MAGAT culture.

You have these MSNBC talking points pre programmed in your little brain, but they aren't relevant here. JD Vance was adduced above not for his politics, but for his whiteness. FGLI filtering is going to pull in a substantial number of whites and Asians alongside the real targets (blacks). It accomplishes the goal of skin color diversity less efficiently.

I need you to understand that there’s so many more progressive rural people going to an ivy than JD Vance. Why do you think he got so popular? He’s an anomaly.

I don't care if every admitted FGLI student is a card carrying DSA member. My point is, the number will include a substantial number of white and Asian kids alongside the URMs, so selecting for FGLI is inefficient from the school's point of view.

White enrollment is down too.

Exactly. Just Asian students increasing, year over year.

There are so many Asians in all the top schools. So many. Which is fine.

There's way too many. We're cutting out the "Asian institutes" popping up post AA from DD's list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

FGLI smart students are not the hillbilly elegy writers. Many are progressive people who can’t stand the toxic MAGAT culture.

You have these MSNBC talking points pre programmed in your little brain, but they aren't relevant here. JD Vance was adduced above not for his politics, but for his whiteness. FGLI filtering is going to pull in a substantial number of whites and Asians alongside the real targets (blacks). It accomplishes the goal of skin color diversity less efficiently.

I need you to understand that there’s so many more progressive rural people going to an ivy than JD Vance. Why do you think he got so popular? He’s an anomaly.

I don't care if every admitted FGLI student is a card carrying DSA member. My point is, the number will include a substantial number of white and Asian kids alongside the URMs, so selecting for FGLI is inefficient from the school's point of view.

White enrollment is down too.

Exactly. Just Asian students increasing, year over year.

There are so many Asians in all the top schools. So many. Which is fine.

There's way too many. We're cutting out the "Asian institutes" popping up post AA from DD's list.

Not many people saying this out loud, but there do seem to be a lot of white kids looking for “rah-rah” schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

FGLI smart students are not the hillbilly elegy writers. Many are progressive people who can’t stand the toxic MAGAT culture.

You have these MSNBC talking points pre programmed in your little brain, but they aren't relevant here. JD Vance was adduced above not for his politics, but for his whiteness. FGLI filtering is going to pull in a substantial number of whites and Asians alongside the real targets (blacks). It accomplishes the goal of skin color diversity less efficiently.

I need you to understand that there’s so many more progressive rural people going to an ivy than JD Vance. Why do you think he got so popular? He’s an anomaly.

I don't care if every admitted FGLI student is a card carrying DSA member. My point is, the number will include a substantial number of white and Asian kids alongside the URMs, so selecting for FGLI is inefficient from the school's point of view.

White enrollment is down too.

Exactly. Just Asian students increasing, year over year.

There are so many Asians in all the top schools. So many. Which is fine.

I did parent orientation at UCLA, there were probably 200 families there. I’d say the majority were Asians, including East Asians and International families (e.g. Asians, not Asian-Americans). There was 1 Black family. 1. I don’t know what the answer is but I found that disheartening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

Except they will change the entrance requirements to not let those with the highest scores, Asians and Jews, to get in.