The end of higher ed Diversity

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Anonymous wrote:How come there aren’t many Asians on the basketball, football, or baseball teams? Especially at these D1 schools that are in the T20.

Can we be honest and say that the Asian American and Asian international students don’t bother to talk to people outside of their ethnicity? It’s the same as it was then and it is now. They don’t talk to people of other ethnicities and only hang out with each other speaking their native language. Are they too scared to talk people outside of their ethnic group?

As an Asian American who grew up with mostly non-Asian American friends, I’m wondering where you live and where have you been exposed to Asian Americans who aren’t willing to make friends outside of their ethnic group?

My non-Asian child knows a number of kids at Stuyvesant, which is very, very Asian. My child's Asian friends get a lot of grief for hanging out with non-Asian kids. The school has a very weird subculture that is hard to explain. Again, there are plenty of "assimilated" Asian kids there. But the ones who seem to refuse to interact with non-Asian kids are very prevalent.

A lot of these kids weren't born here or their parents moved here shortly before they were born.

Note that I have seen this tendency among Russian immigrant kids as well.

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We'll still have much greater diversity than most of other advanced countries in Europe or Asia.
No worries at all.

75% of NBA and 50% of NFL are Blacks.
If 50% of MIT or Stanford are Asians, no big deal.
Feed the best to any top field.

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My top 5 Black student isn't applying to Princeton. There is a huge increase of top students that are choosing to attend Howard, Spelman, Morehouse etc. I fully support their choice.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's too early to jump to conclusions. Do we know whether the % of black applicants changed dramatically last year? Do we know whether black applicant yield was consistent with prior years? I know highly qualified black applicants at my DD high school are more discerning about whether they apply. For many of them, the Ivies have lost some appeal.

Yes, there was a thread last year that got closed because people thought it was racist to point out the racial changes in entering classes. I recall MIT and Johns Hopkins seeing large drops in black population and Princeton and Yale seeing steady or increased black populations after the banning of affirmative action.

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Anonymous wrote:We'll still have much greater diversity than most of other advanced countries in Europe or Asia.
No worries at all.

75% of NBA and 50% of NFL are Blacks.
If 50% of MIT or Stanford are Asians, no big deal.
Feed the best to any top field.

Athletic ability isn't like intellect. There's other things going on if you have a significant difference in your top colleges and the diversity of your country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Massive drop in black student population at Princeton University: https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2025/09/princeton-news-stlife-five-percent-class-of-2029-identify-black-african-american

This is painful for the missing Black kids who could have done well at Princeton, and benefited from Princeton’s resources.

This is also terrible for the other kids at Princeton. Non-Black students will get much less exposure to the perspectives of Black students, in a country and world where a growing percentage of the population is Black. Princeton will be less effective at preparing students to live in the world of the future.

- A White Person

This is great for the black kids that actually get in on their own merit and not on the charity of guilty white consciences.

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Anonymous wrote:Massive drop in black student population at Princeton University: https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2025/09/princeton-news-stlife-five-percent-class-of-2029-identify-black-african-american

This is painful for the missing Black kids who could have done well at Princeton, and benefited from Princeton’s resources.

This is also terrible for the other kids at Princeton. Non-Black students will get much less exposure to the perspectives of Black students, in a country and world where a growing percentage of the population is Black. Princeton will be less effective at preparing students to live in the world of the future.

- A White Person

As will continue, we will create technologies without thinking about the users who aren’t white/asian. Why people aren’t interested in improving our education system so we don’t have to give anyone boosts and can just admit by profile is beyond me. Instead, we act as if everyone has the same opportunities and ultimately make overly Asian classes.

What opportunity to asians have that whites do not?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd just like to brag that I predicted this. When the Supreme Court decision came out, I posted several times here that it was likely to halve the number of black students at elites, which is roughly what it's done here. Liberals didn't seem to want to believe it would go that low if admission was more based on merit. Conservatives thought the colleges would just cheat and keep the numbers in line with where they were. But here we are and it's down by about half. I win.

No.

We ALL win.

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Anonymous wrote:Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

FGLI smart students are not the hillbilly elegy writers. Many are progressive people who can’t stand the toxic MAGAT culture.

You have these MSNBC talking points pre programmed in your little brain, but they aren't relevant here. JD Vance was adduced above not for his politics, but for his whiteness. FGLI filtering is going to pull in a substantial number of whites and Asians alongside the real targets (blacks). It accomplishes the goal of skin color diversity less efficiently.

I need you to understand that there’s so many more progressive rural people going to an ivy than JD Vance. Why do you think he got so popular? He’s an anomaly.

I don't care if every admitted FGLI student is a card carrying DSA member. My point is, the number will include a substantial number of white and Asian kids alongside the URMs, so selecting for FGLI is inefficient from the school's point of view.

White enrollment is down too.

Exactly. Just Asian students increasing, year over year.

There are so many Asians in all the top schools. So many. Which is fine.

There's way too many. We're cutting out the "Asian institutes" popping up post AA from DD's list.

That's fine too.
It's not like she was going to get in anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is a racist term. If we have to assimilate, we shall assimilate into Indian tribes starting from the mayflower era.

No it isn’t. It’s not racist to point out that Asian American students come to these schools- make the culture grossly sterile, competitive, and suicide-inducing, and only hang out in all-Asian groups. This means they don’t get the benefits of the liberal arts, only engaging in Asian affairs and Asian-centric education and classroom spaces. It makes the education worse, and they feel entitled to university positions.

Exactly. Perhaps this works in Asia, but not here.

This doesn't even work in Asia.

2/3rds of the world population lives in Asia.

You really think white people have some sort of monopoly on charisma?

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Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is a racist term. If we have to assimilate, we shall assimilate into Indian tribes starting from the mayflower era.

No it isn’t. It’s not racist to point out that Asian American students come to these schools- make the culture grossly sterile, competitive, and suicide-inducing, and only hang out in all-Asian groups. This means they don’t get the benefits of the liberal arts, only engaging in Asian affairs and Asian-centric education and classroom spaces. It makes the education worse, and they feel entitled to university positions.

wow, broad strokes indeed. How about you share with us your generalizations about White Southern redneck culture, black BLM activist culture, and Viva La Raza hispanic student culture? Since you seem to be so knowledgeable about all Asians. The mask is truly off in these anonymous forums. I worry for the American experiment in multiculturalism.

I think most posters have made it extremely clear that this does not apply to every member of these groups and that there are plenty of exceptions. So just stop it. But stereotypes exist for a reason.

And sometimes that reason is racism.

There is a sterotype that asians are bad drivers and yet the data shows that asians have fewer automobile fatalities on both a per mile basis and on a per capita basis.

There used to be a stereotype that asians were stupid, that lasted about as long as it could given the evidence to the contrary.

[Anonymous]

This thread is just incredible to me as a Black woman. It represents what’s wrong with this country when it comes to race. The fact that you think that, given the history of this country, it is possible for a Black person to compete on a level playing field—no matter the income— is laughable. Even with affirmative action the playing field wasn’t level. Can you imagine how challenging and exhausting it is to EXIST on a college campus where you are 9% of the population? Can you imagine how challenging it is day in and day out to be the ONLY person who looks like you in your company? I’ve been in meetings where it’s me and 15 white guys and it is astounding. The fact that these students have attended and SUCCEEDED is a testament to their resilience, grit and intellect. But y’all keep thinking the way you do. And still I rise.

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Anonymous wrote:How come there aren’t many Asians on the basketball, football, or baseball teams? Especially at these D1 schools that are in the T20.

Can we be honest and say that the Asian American and Asian international students don’t bother to talk to people outside of their ethnicity? It’s the same as it was then and it is now. They don’t talk to people of other ethnicities and only hang out with each other speaking their native language. Are they too scared to talk people outside of their ethnic group?

As an Asian American who grew up with mostly non-Asian American friends, I’m wondering where you live and where have you been exposed to Asian Americans who aren’t willing to make friends outside of their ethnic group?

My non-Asian child knows a number of kids at Stuyvesant, which is very, very Asian. My child's Asian friends get a lot of grief for hanging out with non-Asian kids. The school has a very weird subculture that is hard to explain. Again, there are plenty of "assimilated" Asian kids there. But the ones who seem to refuse to interact with non-Asian kids are very prevalent.

A lot of these kids weren't born here or their parents moved here shortly before they were born.

Note that I have seen this tendency among Russian immigrant kids as well.

I am an asian that went to stuy and there was never any pressure only hang out with asians.
The immigrant asian kids (mostly free lunch kids) do tend to hang out together but they don't give anyone grief for having non-asian friends.

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Anonymous wrote:My top 5 Black student isn't applying to Princeton. There is a huge increase of top students that are choosing to attend Howard, Spelman, Morehouse etc. I fully support their choice.

It is unlikely that a top 5 kid of any race has much of a chance at Princeton.

Spelman, Howard and Xavier have sent more black kids to medical school than the entire Ivy League combined
Spelman, Morehouse and Howard have sent more black kids to law school than the entire ivy league combined.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 17 ABET accredited HBCUs have created most of the black engineers.

But with all that said. If your child can get into these highly selective schools under their own steam, shouldn't they at least consider it.

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Anonymous wrote:We'll still have much greater diversity than most of other advanced countries in Europe or Asia.
No worries at all.

75% of NBA and 50% of NFL are Blacks.
If 50% of MIT or Stanford are Asians, no big deal.
Feed the best to any top field.

Athletic ability isn't like intellect. There's other things going on if you have a significant difference in your top colleges and the diversity of your country.

You are confusing cognitive ability and "intellect"

Cognitive ability is trainable much like proficiency with a sport. Some groups "train" more than others at academics.