The end of higher ed Diversity

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Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

I don’t know. URM kids at our school still got ivies this year, maybe not Princeton. I am not sure they are affected by the policy.

URM kids at private schools continue to excel. Many black kids at private schools come from well off families, doctors, lawyers, Wall Street. They usually do well academically because their parents are smart. I am not surprised that Brown or Penn love these black private school kids.

We'll see what the Brown and Penn numbers actually look like. My guess is your wild swing of self congratulatory speculation is off and they're also down substantially.

Penn class of 2029 - 24%
are from races and ethnicities historically underrepresented in higher education

What are you quoting that from? Does that count international? Multiracial? What the black/Hispanic/native/Pacific islander/other breakdown? In short, it's not apples to apples with the Princeton numbers and wouldn't be incompatible with an American black student percentage around 5 like Princeton.

Penn is highly diverse. A few public feeder schools in Philly send a large number of URM kids every year. They also get as many private school URM kids as possible. I would not worry about Penn at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Sometimes I wonder if parents maybe should cut the video games and promote education more instead of getting mad at the increase in Asians.

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my white kid is at an ivy unhooked and enjoys the diversity of all races and backgrounds there, as well as finally having a majority of intellectual matches. her prep school was mostly the same cookie cutter rich suburban white kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

FGLI smart students are not the hillbilly elegy writers. Many are progressive people who can’t stand the toxic MAGAT culture.

You have these MSNBC talking points pre programmed in your little brain, but they aren't relevant here. JD Vance was adduced above not for his politics, but for his whiteness. FGLI filtering is going to pull in a substantial number of whites and Asians alongside the real targets (blacks). It accomplishes the goal of skin color diversity less efficiently.

I need you to understand that there’s so many more progressive rural people going to an ivy than JD Vance. Why do you think he got so popular? He’s an anomaly.

I don't care if every admitted FGLI student is a card carrying DSA member. My point is, the number will include a substantial number of white and Asian kids alongside the URMs, so selecting for FGLI is inefficient from the school's point of view.

White enrollment is down too.

Exactly. Just Asian students increasing, year over year.

There are so many Asians in all the top schools. So many. Which is fine.

There's way too many. We're cutting out the "Asian institutes" popping up post AA from DD's list.

Not many people saying this out loud, but there do seem to be a lot of white kids looking for “rah-rah” schools.

because they cannot get in to T10/ivy and they know it

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Anonymous wrote:Filtering for FGLI is going to pull in a lot of JD Vance-ish rural white kids and children of recent immigrants. It's not a panacea for filling the class with blacks.

FGLI smart students are not the hillbilly elegy writers. Many are progressive people who can’t stand the toxic MAGAT culture.

You have these MSNBC talking points pre programmed in your little brain, but they aren't relevant here. JD Vance was adduced above not for his politics, but for his whiteness. FGLI filtering is going to pull in a substantial number of whites and Asians alongside the real targets (blacks). It accomplishes the goal of skin color diversity less efficiently.

I need you to understand that there’s so many more progressive rural people going to an ivy than JD Vance. Why do you think he got so popular? He’s an anomaly.

I don't care if every admitted FGLI student is a card carrying DSA member. My point is, the number will include a substantial number of white and Asian kids alongside the URMs, so selecting for FGLI is inefficient from the school's point of view.

White enrollment is down too.

Exactly. Just Asian students increasing, year over year.

There are so many Asians in all the top schools. So many. Which is fine.

There's way too many. We're cutting out the "Asian institutes" popping up post AA from DD's list.

Not many people saying this out loud, but there do seem to be a lot of white kids looking for “rah-rah” schools.

because they cannot get in to T10/ivy and they know it

They also don't want the social environment at schools like Caltech, MIT., UChicago, or Hopkins. Even Princeton and Yale are seen as grinder schools.

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Anonymous wrote:For years, UMC and wealthy black students have been able to glide into T20 schools because they check the right race box. We’ve all seen it in the private schools. Now everyone has to compete.

The focus should be on smart FGLI students who don’t get all the privileges and benefits of wealthy private school students who use race as a hook.

lol not so fast. I helped someone last year who had been admitted to a program for fgli students. This student’s family owned multiple homes. They were not low income but had their multiple businesses pay just enough that they would qualify. There was an article in the newspaper about the huge space her dad’s company leased. Some universities known for generous financial aid gave her $0. With all the lies and them being immigrants, I doubt her parents did not have degrees. They knew everything about college admissions and even questioned my qualifications. They were not paying me but wanted kid to go to Harvard.

So what do you have to proof to get into this FGLI program? Why was the student in the program???

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There are lots of highly qualified black kids. But unfortunately the schools went overboard with DEI (I am a left-of-center, anti-Trump Democrat). I socialize and work with upper class black families (think the Martha's Vineyard crowd) and they knew their kids had a lower bar. Some of these kids were superstars who didn't need the lower bar. But others weren't. And this led to people on campus wondering whether the kid was there because they deserved it (as was the case for many) or because of preference.

So many of the Asian students today refuse to assimilate, or try and and fail miserably. Jews were like Asians but made much more of an effort to fit in, and were more successful (there are obviously many exceptions both in terms of Jews who are still not assimilated and Asians who are). I'm not saying that everyone should be 100% a conformist and exactly the same as that would make the world boring. But the stereotype of the super intense, poorly socialized Asian kid didn't come from nowhere. And there are now a lot more of them at elite colleges.

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Assimilation is a racist term. If we have to assimilate, we shall assimilate into Indian tribes starting from the mayflower era.

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Anonymous wrote:Massive drop in black student population at Princeton University: https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2025/09/princeton-news-stlife-five-percent-class-of-2029-identify-black-african-american

Merit based now. It's not a bad thing.

Princeton is test optional and you’re just racist.

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The thinking of assimilation today will only lead to division. What are we assimilating into? Deep South Virginia is different from Northeastern WASP/Jew, and is drastically different from West Coast tech immigrant culture.

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Are there any Northeastern WASPs left.

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Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is a racist term. If we have to assimilate, we shall assimilate into Indian tribes starting from the mayflower era.

No it isn’t. It’s not racist to point out that Asian American students come to these schools- make the culture grossly sterile, competitive, and suicide-inducing, and only hang out in all-Asian groups. This means they don’t get the benefits of the liberal arts, only engaging in Asian affairs and Asian-centric education and classroom spaces. It makes the education worse, and they feel entitled to university positions.

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Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is a racist term. If we have to assimilate, we shall assimilate into Indian tribes starting from the mayflower era.

Give me a break. One can very successfully "assimilate" without giving up their heritage. There are countless successful Jewish, black, Asian, etc. people who have done this. But refusing to change at all and staying in your little bubble of social norms and then expecting to be fully accepted is not cool. I spent time living in another country and recognized the need to do this to succeed. And I am a Jew who very clearly and proudly identifies with my heritage but I also know when to turn it on and turn it off. And I am very comfortable with this and do not feel like I am overly compromising or anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is a racist term. If we have to assimilate, we shall assimilate into Indian tribes starting from the mayflower era.

No it isn’t. It’s not racist to point out that Asian American students come to these schools- make the culture grossly sterile, competitive, and suicide-inducing, and only hang out in all-Asian groups. This means they don’t get the benefits of the liberal arts, only engaging in Asian affairs and Asian-centric education and classroom spaces. It makes the education worse, and they feel entitled to university positions.

As a black, I am offended by this term assimilation. If maga doesn’t like these schools, you can go to your Washington & Lee.

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Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is a racist term. If we have to assimilate, we shall assimilate into Indian tribes starting from the mayflower era.

No it isn’t. It’s not racist to point out that Asian American students come to these schools- make the culture grossly sterile, competitive, and suicide-inducing, and only hang out in all-Asian groups. This means they don’t get the benefits of the liberal arts, only engaging in Asian affairs and Asian-centric education and classroom spaces. It makes the education worse, and they feel entitled to university positions.

wow, broad strokes indeed. How about you share with us your generalizations about White Southern redneck culture, black BLM activist culture, and Viva La Raza hispanic student culture? Since you seem to be so knowledgeable about all Asians. The mask is truly off in these anonymous forums. I worry for the American experiment in multiculturalism.

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Anonymous wrote:Assimilation is a racist term. If we have to assimilate, we shall assimilate into Indian tribes starting from the mayflower era.

No it isn’t. It’s not racist to point out that Asian American students come to these schools- make the culture grossly sterile, competitive, and suicide-inducing, and only hang out in all-Asian groups. This means they don’t get the benefits of the liberal arts, only engaging in Asian affairs and Asian-centric education and classroom spaces. It makes the education worse, and they feel entitled to university positions.

Exactly. Perhaps this works in Asia, but not here.