Worst election ever?

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Anonymous wrote:I have been ranting amongst my friends about 2024 being the worst election, in terms of choices, in my lifetime. I was born at the tail end of the Reagan administration. Every election in my lifetime, including those I was too young to vote in, at least included one candidate who was somewhat qualified and competent.

Some older friends were saying that Nixon vs. Humphrey was worse in terms of candidates. What say the rest of you?

I'd say both Nixon and Humphrey were well qualified with relatable job experience and reasonably fit for the job while seeking office in their late 50s. Obviously Nixon's character flaws were exposed after he became president and while his flaws were very serious, I don't consider him to be on the same level of awful as Trump. There is no doubt the 2024 election will be the worst in modern times in terms of the caliber of candidates if Trump and Biden are nominated. There are no logical arguments for why either of these men should be president until 2029. It's just ridiculous but that's where we are.

Biden is a seasoned politician who has been doing an excellent job with the economy.

I’d rather have a president with arthritis but who knows what he is doing than limber president who is dumb as a rock any day.

I'll take Biden over Trump any day but I think we'd all rather have a President that is capable of working competently for more than 20 hours a week in 2027 and 2028.

Unless your candidate can win it makes zero difference their competence level. Biden can win as he has already proven. It is much better to nominate Biden and win than to nominate some super competent young candidate that can not win.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nah. People have been whining about "two horrible choices" since I could start voting in 1999. Do you not remember the 2016 election between Trump and Clinton? People were PISSED about the "horrible choice."

The fact of the matter is that winner-take-all-elections structurally force you to vote for the least-worst option. 2nd place is the first loser and we don't have a power sharing coalitions.

Parliamentary systems are better at expressing and realizing voter sentiments.

HRC, Obama, Romney, McCain, Kerry, Gore, and Bush could all be considered fit for the four year terms they were running for. We're not talking about political policy positions that people may disagree with or think are horrible. We're talking about being able to work 15 hour days full of world travel and very important daily briefings. It's a lot more reasonable to assume Trump and Biden aren't fit to perform this job at an acceptably high level until 2029 than it is to assume they are fit to do so. This is basic science. No sense in denying the obvious.

I hate to tell you this, but Biden is doing the job now, 15+ hours a day, travel and all. The media doesn't really cover it, but he has been all over the world and all across the country.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been ranting amongst my friends about 2024 being the worst election, in terms of choices, in my lifetime. I was born at the tail end of the Reagan administration. Every election in my lifetime, including those I was too young to vote in, at least included one candidate who was somewhat qualified and competent.

Some older friends were saying that Nixon vs. Humphrey was worse in terms of candidates. What say the rest of you?

I'd say both Nixon and Humphrey were well qualified with relatable job experience and reasonably fit for the job while seeking office in their late 50s. Obviously Nixon's character flaws were exposed after he became president and while his flaws were very serious, I don't consider him to be on the same level of awful as Trump. There is no doubt the 2024 election will be the worst in modern times in terms of the caliber of candidates if Trump and Biden are nominated. There are no logical arguments for why either of these men should be president until 2029. It's just ridiculous but that's where we are.

Biden is a seasoned politician who has been doing an excellent job with the economy.

I’d rather have a president with arthritis but who knows what he is doing than limber president who is dumb as a rock any day.

I'll take Biden over Trump any day but I think we'd all rather have a President that is capable of working competently for more than 20 hours a week in 2027 and 2028.

Unless your candidate can win it makes zero difference their competence level. Biden can win as he has already proven. It is much better to nominate Biden and win than to nominate some super competent young candidate that can not win.

It's all about swing voters in swing states. They are currently swing voters for a reason- Trump and Biden have no appeal to them. If Trump or Biden were replaced with a normal candidate, the normal candidate would crush Trump or Biden. Put Trump or Biden on a debate stage vs a normal candidate and it's all over for Trump or Biden in the eyes of any undecided voters. Think about it. As it is, we're stuck with Trump and Biden and Biden is the better choice of the two.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted for Dean Phillips. Why didn't more of you?

Maybe because he just dropped out?

Doesn't mean you couldn't have voted for him yesterday.

We, his constituents, didn’t want to. Maybe you, as a Republican who likes to pretend to be a Democrat, don’t really pay attention, but he was and is a pointless attempt at spoiling.

“Most of Phillips' constituents in Minnesota's west suburban Third Congressional District voted for someone else on Tuesday. Phillips got about 14% of the vote in his own district, far behind Biden and just barely ahead of uncommitted.”
https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-rep-dean-phillips-loses-to-biden-and-uncommitted-in-his-home-state-whats-next/600348810/

No, OP, this is not “the worst election ever.” Good god am I sick of losers who have to resort to both sidesing.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been ranting amongst my friends about 2024 being the worst election, in terms of choices, in my lifetime. I was born at the tail end of the Reagan administration. Every election in my lifetime, including those I was too young to vote in, at least included one candidate who was somewhat qualified and competent.

Some older friends were saying that Nixon vs. Humphrey was worse in terms of candidates. What say the rest of you?

I'd say both Nixon and Humphrey were well qualified with relatable job experience and reasonably fit for the job while seeking office in their late 50s. Obviously Nixon's character flaws were exposed after he became president and while his flaws were very serious, I don't consider him to be on the same level of awful as Trump. There is no doubt the 2024 election will be the worst in modern times in terms of the caliber of candidates if Trump and Biden are nominated. There are no logical arguments for why either of these men should be president until 2029. It's just ridiculous but that's where we are.

Biden is a seasoned politician who has been doing an excellent job with the economy.

I’d rather have a president with arthritis but who knows what he is doing than limber president who is dumb as a rock any day.

I'll take Biden over Trump any day but I think we'd all rather have a President that is capable of working competently for more than 20 hours a week in 2027 and 2028.

Unless your candidate can win it makes zero difference their competence level. Biden can win as he has already proven. It is much better to nominate Biden and win than to nominate some super competent young candidate that can not win.

It's all about swing voters in swing states. They are currently swing voters for a reason- Trump and Biden have no appeal to them. If Trump or Biden were replaced with a normal candidate, the normal candidate would crush Trump or Biden. Put Trump or Biden on a debate stage vs a normal candidate and it's all over for Trump or Biden in the eyes of any undecided voters. Think about it. As it is, we're stuck with Trump and Biden and Biden is the better choice of the two.

Biden was not doing handsprings in 2020. This is the same race as last time only they are both older. It will produce the same outcome only 4 years later

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it is, yes. Trump is the worst garbage candidate ever, Biden is fine but too old. He has Kamala Harris who has not been a good VP, with a high chance she will end up POTUS, something that is normally not a big risk with a VP. And then who knows what terrible candidate Trump will pick as his VP.

How has she not been a good VP? What has she done, or not done, that any other VP in recent history has done, or not done. What makes her a worse VP than Mike Pence, Dan Quayle, Al Gore or Joe Biden?

Please be specific.

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Anonymous wrote:I have been ranting amongst my friends about 2024 being the worst election, in terms of choices, in my lifetime. I was born at the tail end of the Reagan administration. Every election in my lifetime, including those I was too young to vote in, at least included one candidate who was somewhat qualified and competent.

Some older friends were saying that Nixon vs. Humphrey was worse in terms of candidates. What say the rest of you?

I'd say both Nixon and Humphrey were well qualified with relatable job experience and reasonably fit for the job while seeking office in their late 50s. Obviously Nixon's character flaws were exposed after he became president and while his flaws were very serious, I don't consider him to be on the same level of awful as Trump. There is no doubt the 2024 election will be the worst in modern times in terms of the caliber of candidates if Trump and Biden are nominated. There are no logical arguments for why either of these men should be president until 2029. It's just ridiculous but that's where we are.

Biden is a seasoned politician who has been doing an excellent job with the economy.

I’d rather have a president with arthritis but who knows what he is doing than limber president who is dumb as a rock any day.

I'll take Biden over Trump any day but I think we'd all rather have a President that is capable of working competently for more than 20 hours a week in 2027 and 2028.

Unless your candidate can win it makes zero difference their competence level. Biden can win as he has already proven. It is much better to nominate Biden and win than to nominate some super competent young candidate that can not win.

It's all about swing voters in swing states. They are currently swing voters for a reason- Trump and Biden have no appeal to them. If Trump or Biden were replaced with a normal candidate, the normal candidate would crush Trump or Biden. Put Trump or Biden on a debate stage vs a normal candidate and it's all over for Trump or Biden in the eyes of any undecided voters. Think about it. As it is, we're stuck with Trump and Biden and Biden is the better choice of the two.

The polling does not support your contention. In fact, it shows that Biden is the ONLY candidate who has a chance of beating Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:There a not TWO bad choices. Ok, Joe is old, we get it. But really?

This election is not about individual candidates, it will decide the direction of our country.

What kind of America do you want to live in?
Democratic (real votes or proposals) vs. GOP (real votes or proposals)
Abortion: Protect women’s healthcare vs. National Abortion (contraceptive & IVF) Ban

Big business: Bringing American manufacturing back, hold corporations accountable for profiteering, address Shrinkflation, break up monopolies vs. Gut regulations around safety, child labor, pollution

Climate: Most significant climate legislation in U.S. history to accelerate the transition to a clean energy economy vs. Defund Climate Transition

Food: Protect and extend SNAP, WIC Meals on Wheels by raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans vs. Voted to slash SNAP, WIC, and Meals on Wheels for one million Seniors and another million Americans.

Guns: Strengthen gun safety laws, safe storage initiative, established Office of Gun Violence Prevention vs. Offer thoughts and prayers, believes in unfettered access to guns, roll back gun laws

Immigration: Proposed comprehensive border legislation which GOP refused to vote on. Seeking an immigration system that’s orderly and functional vs. Propose use the National Guard to round up immigrants and to set up detention centers for suspected immigrants

Public Safety: Increased resources to reduce violent crime, more first responders to address mental health and substance abuse, and more investments in housing, education, and job training. (American Rescue Plan) vs. Voted to slash funding that would eliminate thousands of FBI and law enforcement personnel which will lead to more crime and violence

Safety Net: Protect Social Security, Medicare vs. Proposed to gut Social Security and Medicare
Taxes: Make big corporations and billionaires pay the taxes they owe*.
*As of Jan. 2024 IRS has recouped $482 million in taxes owed by 1,600 millionaires vs. Propose more tax breaks for billionaires, blocked closing tax loopholes for corporations

Voting Rights: Expand the electorate, protect voting rights, end gerrymandering vs. Curb voting rights: Voter ID, close polling locations, limit early and absentee voting, egregious gerrymandering, etc.

+100 Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:Nah. People have been whining about "two horrible choices" since I could start voting in 1999. Do you not remember the 2016 election between Trump and Clinton? People were PISSED about the "horrible choice."

The fact of the matter is that winner-take-all-elections structurally force you to vote for the least-worst option. 2nd place is the first loser and we don't have a power sharing coalitions.

Parliamentary systems are better at expressing and realizing voter sentiments.

HRC, Obama, Romney, McCain, Kerry, Gore, and Bush could all be considered fit for the four year terms they were running for. We're not talking about political policy positions that people may disagree with or think are horrible. We're talking about being able to work 15 hour days full of world travel and very important daily briefings. It's a lot more reasonable to assume Trump and Biden aren't fit to perform this job at an acceptably high level until 2029 than it is to assume they are fit to do so. This is basic science. No sense in denying the obvious.

I hate to tell you this, but Biden is doing the job now, 15+ hours a day, travel and all. The media doesn't really cover it, but he has been all over the world and all across the country.

Biden added the most jobs per month —excluding covid re-employment— of any sitting President ever! Biden is a wonderful President. The hate or indifference defies reality.

[Anonymous]

I refuse to vote for Biden until he forgives college loans for Gazans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it is, yes. Trump is the worst garbage candidate ever, Biden is fine but too old. He has Kamala Harris who has not been a good VP, with a high chance she will end up POTUS, something that is normally not a big risk with a VP. And then who knows what terrible candidate Trump will pick as his VP.

People keep saying Kamala Harris is not a good VP. What has she done that other VPs haven’t?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is, yes. Trump is the worst garbage candidate ever, Biden is fine but too old. He has Kamala Harris who has not been a good VP, with a high chance she will end up POTUS, something that is normally not a big risk with a VP. And then who knows what terrible candidate Trump will pick as his VP.

People keep saying Kamala Harris is not a good VP. What has she done that other VPs haven’t?

I only posted my response once (so there is no "keep saying", not sure why it was reposted...). I'll refer you to this article which I think is excellent and nuanced. And for the record, I think Mike Pence is an abomination.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/magazine/kamala-harris.html

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Anonymous wrote:I have been ranting amongst my friends about 2024 being the worst election, in terms of choices, in my lifetime. I was born at the tail end of the Reagan administration. Every election in my lifetime, including those I was too young to vote in, at least included one candidate who was somewhat qualified and competent.

Some older friends were saying that Nixon vs. Humphrey was worse in terms of candidates. What say the rest of you?

I'd say both Nixon and Humphrey were well qualified with relatable job experience and reasonably fit for the job while seeking office in their late 50s. Obviously Nixon's character flaws were exposed after he became president and while his flaws were very serious, I don't consider him to be on the same level of awful as Trump. There is no doubt the 2024 election will be the worst in modern times in terms of the caliber of candidates if Trump and Biden are nominated. There are no logical arguments for why either of these men should be president until 2029. It's just ridiculous but that's where we are.

Biden is a seasoned politician who has been doing an excellent job with the economy.

I’d rather have a president with arthritis but who knows what he is doing than limber president who is dumb as a rock any day.

I'll take Biden over Trump any day but I think we'd all rather have a President that is capable of working competently for more than 20 hours a week in 2027 and 2028.

Unless your candidate can win it makes zero difference their competence level. Biden can win as he has already proven. It is much better to nominate Biden and win than to nominate some super competent young candidate that can not win.

It's all about swing voters in swing states. They are currently swing voters for a reason- Trump and Biden have no appeal to them. If Trump or Biden were replaced with a normal candidate, the normal candidate would crush Trump or Biden. Put Trump or Biden on a debate stage vs a normal candidate and it's all over for Trump or Biden in the eyes of any undecided voters. Think about it. As it is, we're stuck with Trump and Biden and Biden is the better choice of the two.

The polling does not support your contention. In fact, it shows that Biden is the ONLY candidate who has a chance of beating Trump.

If an 81 year with serious questions regarding his mental fitness going forward and with an at best 40% approval rating is the only presidential candidate in this country that can beat Donald Trump, we have irreversible problems in our political system that mandate reform equivalent to a complete reset.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are insane - Biden does not know how to get things done and govern.

Biden can hardly stand up.

Trump is just as bad of course.

Yes - this is most definitely the worst election because it's not about politics it's about their sanity and character. Politics is something that you can get over and would be a sensible difference. Politics is about consideration and debate. What these 2 offer is absolutely nothing.

There is nothing about Biden that is worth anything except that he's not Trump - that is it! He has made a mess of so many things and I am a Democrat that doesn't really want to be anymore. Only because GOP is so way over the line. as a minority woman, I cannot be GOP but that's a weak position to be in when the imbalance is so pronounced.

This country is going to hell for sure.

I’m genuinely curious as to what the “ so many things are.” I can think of the afghan withdrawai, and now the silence on gaza. But the infrastructure bill ( which benefits I bet mostly big business construction / real estate who are always owned by republicans!), made diabetes medicine affordable, green energy, offered bipartisan support on immigration, stood with unions…

I just can’t imagine losing all of this. But we will. Really scary and never thought I would be living in a country with such an incompetent leader at the helm. That is what I don’t get. He’s an awful human, and on a moms forum, I can’t believe any of us would want our child to lie, cheat, steal, bully, engage in sexual assault. However, aside from that, he is literally ignorant of foreign policy, us/ world history, science, health, etc. Mind boggling.

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I can't forget the first I VOTED IN 2008. I had over 10 stickers on and T-shirt, they knew who I voted for...