Taylor Elem — Closed today, tomorrow, to infinity and beyond?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID paid for upgraded HVAC??

This is my question too. Weren't there funds allocated to schools for this? I could be wrong.

Regardless, it is ridiculous for this issue to go on into Day 2 and possibly Day 3. What major malfunction happened?

There was a vocal group of parents in the APE group who advocated against HVAC improvements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We’re at another 1950’s ES in North Arlington and the AC/Heat is a joke. It doesn’t work half the time. That’s where the money needs to be spent.

Welcome to more public schools than you can count. It’s a Catch-22 - pay lots of money on facilities and “taxpayers” scream about the money. Don’t spend a lot on facilities and, well, see this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID paid for upgraded HVAC??

This is my question too. Weren't there funds allocated to schools for this? I could be wrong.

Regardless, it is ridiculous for this issue to go on into Day 2 and possibly Day 3. What major malfunction happened?

There was a vocal group of parents in the APE group who advocated against HVAC improvements.

That's a ridiculous statement. APE was all about opening schools. There's zero evidence that they ever would have been against repairs that are needed to keep schools open.

--someone who doesn't even like APE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID paid for upgraded HVAC??

This is my question too. Weren't there funds allocated to schools for this? I could be wrong.

Regardless, it is ridiculous for this issue to go on into Day 2 and possibly Day 3. What major malfunction happened?

There was a vocal group of parents in the APE group who advocated against HVAC improvements.

You think parents in APE advocated to redirect Covid recovery funds from HVAC to the VLP? Umm, that seems unlikely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not having my 7 and 6 year olds do virtual. What a joke.

Why not?

And that isn’t a joke. A joke involves a priest, an imam and a rabbit entering a bar and the rabbit saying, “I am obviously a typo.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID paid for upgraded HVAC??

This is my question too. Weren't there funds allocated to schools for this? I could be wrong.

Regardless, it is ridiculous for this issue to go on into Day 2 and possibly Day 3. What major malfunction happened?

There was a vocal group of parents in the APE group who advocated against HVAC improvements.

Hi, no there was not and is not a group that isn't for standard maintenance of APS facilities. APS already responded directly on AEM a while back disputing this claim. What parent group would want HVAC to break down? What ridiculous statement.

APS met recommended exchange rates per hour. And btw HVAC maintenance and two to six air exchange rates per hour are two different things. APS put HEPA filters in every classroom, cafeteria etc. and upgraded their filters to meet ASHRAE air exchange rate standards. You are confusing standard maintenance and air exchange rates. Taylor didn't shut down bc their air exchange rates went below minimum recommended standards as set by ASHRAE. I'm sure it is a helpful thing for you to blame a scapegoat when something breaks down at APS but this is not due to APE saying APS did the work to update their ventilation and it was okay to open schools. Which, as we've seen, was true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID paid for upgraded HVAC??

This is my question too. Weren't there funds allocated to schools for this? I could be wrong.

Regardless, it is ridiculous for this issue to go on into Day 2 and possibly Day 3. What major malfunction happened?

I'll be they invested in high MERV filtration, which ends up putting MORE strain on the system and likely contributed to shortened lifespans.

[Anonymous]

Yes, they did do that.

Per their website: Regarding MERV 13, ASHRAE states, “Generally, increasing filter efficiency leads to increased pressure drop
which can lead to reduced air flow through the HVAC system, more energy use for the fan to compensate for the
increased resistance, or both. If a MERV 13 filter cannot be accommodated in the system, then use the highest
MERV rating you can.”
APS is reviewing what systems can be upgraded to MERV 13 without impacting the equipment’s operation or air
flow capacity. APS will upgrade to the highest MERV filter possible for our equipment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID paid for upgraded HVAC??

This is my question too. Weren't there funds allocated to schools for this? I could be wrong.

Regardless, it is ridiculous for this issue to go on into Day 2 and possibly Day 3. What major malfunction happened?

There was a vocal group of parents in the APE group who advocated against HVAC improvements.

You think parents in APE advocated to redirect Covid recovery funds from HVAC to the VLP? Umm, that seems unlikely.

Not exactly, this was long before the VLP began. Back in height of the pandemic when APS was considering HVAC improvements, APE told APS they were not needed. APE was in a huge hurry to open schools and they apparently worried that any type of improvements might hold that up. Their position was schools were fine as is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID paid for upgraded HVAC??

This is my question too. Weren't there funds allocated to schools for this? I could be wrong.

Regardless, it is ridiculous for this issue to go on into Day 2 and possibly Day 3. What major malfunction happened?

There was a vocal group of parents in the APE group who advocated against HVAC improvements.

You think parents in APE advocated to redirect Covid recovery funds from HVAC to the VLP? Umm, that seems unlikely.

Not exactly, this was long before the VLP began. Back in height of the pandemic when APS was considering HVAC improvements, APE told APS they were not needed. APE was in a huge hurry to open schools and they apparently worried that any type of improvements might hold that up. Their position was schools were fine as is.

I think APS would strongly dispute that. They did do the HVAC improvements. They had consultants review every school and spent quite a bit of money getting up to the ASHRAE standards. They just weren't good enough for Smart Restart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID paid for upgraded HVAC??

This is my question too. Weren't there funds allocated to schools for this? I could be wrong.

Regardless, it is ridiculous for this issue to go on into Day 2 and possibly Day 3. What major malfunction happened?

There was a vocal group of parents in the APE group who advocated against HVAC improvements.

Hi, no there was not and is not a group that isn't for standard maintenance of APS facilities. APS already responded directly on AEM a while back disputing this claim. What parent group would want HVAC to break down? What ridiculous statement.

APS met recommended exchange rates per hour. And btw HVAC maintenance and two to six air exchange rates per hour are two different things. APS put HEPA filters in every classroom, cafeteria etc. and upgraded their filters to meet ASHRAE air exchange rate standards. You are confusing standard maintenance and air exchange rates. Taylor didn't shut down bc their air exchange rates went below minimum recommended standards as set by ASHRAE. I'm sure it is a helpful thing for you to blame a scapegoat when something breaks down at APS but this is not due to APE saying APS did the work to update their ventilation and it was okay to open schools. Which, as we've seen, was true.

APS buildings/HVAC need far more than standard maintenance. Many HVAC systems need major upgrades if not replacement just to meet code, and that's not even for Covid safety standards, whatever those are nowadays, I lose track. That is what APE advocated against. APS listened to them. It was the path of least resistance. Maybe if they had not done that, Taylor and other schools would have had their systems upgraded and those kids would not be home today.

Kind of a delicious irony that APE's actions led to kids being OUT of school and school is CLOSED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID paid for upgraded HVAC??

This is my question too. Weren't there funds allocated to schools for this? I could be wrong.

Regardless, it is ridiculous for this issue to go on into Day 2 and possibly Day 3. What major malfunction happened?

There was a vocal group of parents in the APE group who advocated against HVAC improvements.

You think parents in APE advocated to redirect Covid recovery funds from HVAC to the VLP? Umm, that seems unlikely.

Not exactly, this was long before the VLP began. Back in height of the pandemic when APS was considering HVAC improvements, APE told APS they were not needed. APE was in a huge hurry to open schools and they apparently worried that any type of improvements might hold that up. Their position was schools were fine as is.

I think APS would strongly dispute that. They did do the HVAC improvements. They had consultants review every school and spent quite a bit of money getting up to the ASHRAE standards. They just weren't good enough for Smart Restart.

I don't know about Smart Restart, but if APS really did all of the needed HVAC improvements and all is just fine and dandy now, then why is Taylor closed?

Rhetorical question because I know they didn't do all the needed improvements. My kid is in a school that's sorely in need of a new system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID paid for upgraded HVAC??

This is my question too. Weren't there funds allocated to schools for this? I could be wrong.

Regardless, it is ridiculous for this issue to go on into Day 2 and possibly Day 3. What major malfunction happened?

There was a vocal group of parents in the APE group who advocated against HVAC improvements.

Hi, no there was not and is not a group that isn't for standard maintenance of APS facilities. APS already responded directly on AEM a while back disputing this claim. What parent group would want HVAC to break down? What ridiculous statement.

APS met recommended exchange rates per hour. And btw HVAC maintenance and two to six air exchange rates per hour are two different things. APS put HEPA filters in every classroom, cafeteria etc. and upgraded their filters to meet ASHRAE air exchange rate standards. You are confusing standard maintenance and air exchange rates. Taylor didn't shut down bc their air exchange rates went below minimum recommended standards as set by ASHRAE. I'm sure it is a helpful thing for you to blame a scapegoat when something breaks down at APS but this is not due to APE saying APS did the work to update their ventilation and it was okay to open schools. Which, as we've seen, was true.

APS buildings/HVAC need far more than standard maintenance. Many HVAC systems need major upgrades if not replacement just to meet code, and that's not even for Covid safety standards, whatever those are nowadays, I lose track. That is what APE advocated against. APS listened to them. It was the path of least resistance. Maybe if they had not done that, Taylor and other schools would have had their systems upgraded and those kids would not be home today.

Kind of a delicious irony that APE's actions led to kids being OUT of school and school is CLOSED.

I don’t think you can blame this one on APE. There’s no scenario where APS had the money and will to upgrade the HVAC at Taylor by now. At best it would be on a schedule for 2025.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:COVID paid for upgraded HVAC??

This is my question too. Weren't there funds allocated to schools for this? I could be wrong.

Regardless, it is ridiculous for this issue to go on into Day 2 and possibly Day 3. What major malfunction happened?

There was a vocal group of parents in the APE group who advocated against HVAC improvements.

You think parents in APE advocated to redirect Covid recovery funds from HVAC to the VLP? Umm, that seems unlikely.

Not exactly, this was long before the VLP began. Back in height of the pandemic when APS was considering HVAC improvements, APE told APS they were not needed. APE was in a huge hurry to open schools and they apparently worried that any type of improvements might hold that up. Their position was schools were fine as is.

I think APS would strongly dispute that. They did do the HVAC improvements. They had consultants review every school and spent quite a bit of money getting up to the ASHRAE standards. They just weren't good enough for Smart Restart.

I don't know about Smart Restart, but if APS really did all of the needed HVAC improvements and all is just fine and dandy now, then why is Taylor closed?

Rhetorical question because I know they didn't do all the needed improvements. My kid is in a school that's sorely in need of a new system.

Because good enough to reopen is not the same thing as good.

[Anonymous]

Oh FCPS ES built in the 40s got a new room and A/C this past year. Sorry Arlington!