Ramifications from Religious roots of abortion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Try again, in English this time.

Op here. It was straight forward, thanks. Not sure how you couldn’t or didn’t want to understand. Again, I am curious how you square the health complications and problems like babies of rape with minors or babies with no skulls in utero which could kill the mother, and these are being shown in the news with increasing frequency. So how do you square adherence to a strict dogmatic religion that doesn’t allow exceptions for the mother in these circumstances? Do these give you pause at all for how the outlawing of abortions have played out? Does the fact that women could die from a baby with no cranium impact your no-abortion in any circumstance view?

Seems like the suffering aspect is important to some. Maybe still trying to punish Eve.

[Anonymous]

I'm just so appalled how extremist Christians have come to make this decision for ALL American women. It is absolutely mind boggling.

I was never raised with such views being raised as a Muslim woman. 120 days is the Islamic cutoff. If the mother's health is at risk or the pregnancy isn't viable, abortion can happen at any time. 8 months, 9 months, whatever.

It is truly wild to see people argue for defending the constitution, but absolutely no Separation of Church and State - the cognitive dissonance is unreal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm just so appalled how extremist Christians have come to make this decision for ALL American women. It is absolutely mind boggling.

I was never raised with such views being raised as a Muslim woman. 120 days is the Islamic cutoff. If the mother's health is at risk or the pregnancy isn't viable, abortion can happen at any time. 8 months, 9 months, whatever.

It is truly wild to see people argue for defending the constitution, but absolutely no Separation of Church and State - the cognitive dissonance is unreal.

They want to force their religion on ALL Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one can comment on this? Crickets?

I think it is crickets because there aren't many fundamentalists religious on here. Even most Catholics are politically pro-Choice except for the Paulists. And even in the Catholic Church abortion was not always absolutely not allowed (though this is hotly debated within the Church and no doubt someone will post here to say I'm wrong -- but the history is there, like it or not). As you can see this has never been a clear issue, which is why it should not be treated as such at law.

It’s certainly been a clear issue for quite a while, when it comes to Church policy.

You offer a cryptic response about the church’s “policy”, but no additional personal insight into how you specifically feel about this church policy. Can no one opine on what I am asking? How do you square the life of the mother, where it’s clear the baby is dead in utero, and could kill the mother if not removed from her body, with your religious adherence. Do these stories, which now are occurring with increasing frequency, change your opinion on abortion or on your religion at all?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one can comment on this? Crickets?

I think it is crickets because there aren't many fundamentalists religious on here. Even most Catholics are politically pro-Choice except for the Paulists. And even in the Catholic Church abortion was not always absolutely not allowed (though this is hotly debated within the Church and no doubt someone will post here to say I'm wrong -- but the history is there, like it or not). As you can see this has never been a clear issue, which is why it should not be treated as such at law.

It’s certainly been a clear issue for quite a while, when it comes to Church policy.

You offer a cryptic response about the church’s “policy”, but no additional personal insight into how you specifically feel about this church policy. Can no one opine on what I am asking? How do you square the life of the mother, where it’s clear the baby is dead in utero, and could kill the mother if not removed from her body, with your religious adherence. Do these stories, which now are occurring with increasing frequency, change your opinion on abortion or on your religion at all?

I’m not Christian, and I’m not sure where you got the impression that I am Christian.

[Anonymous]

I am Catholic. None of these cases are based on What Jesus taught. Abortion was widely recommended by priests and catholic doctors during the potato famine in Ireland because kids weee starving to death and abortion was the right thing to do.

The rules around religion and birth control are made up by men who run the church, it’s not based in Jesus’ teachings.

The alt-right Catholics have been bamboozled, lied to, brain washed. This brain washing began centuries ago but our current situation started in the Ronald Regan era, it’s very well documented. Regan made abortion legal in California but when he ran for office a strategist explain if he ran on religious rights they could win. SO they picked prayer and abortion and the brain washing began.

I feel a little sorry for the Catholics being duped, my mom being one of them. She believes Democrats want abortions up to 6 weeks after a baby is born. You can even find video of Luz Cheney saying Democrats kill babies after they are born… and people believe it, it’s sad and pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one can comment on this? Crickets?

I think it is crickets because there aren't many fundamentalists religious on here. Even most Catholics are politically pro-Choice except for the Paulists. And even in the Catholic Church abortion was not always absolutely not allowed (though this is hotly debated within the Church and no doubt someone will post here to say I'm wrong -- but the history is there, like it or not). As you can see this has never been a clear issue, which is why it should not be treated as such at law.

It’s certainly been a clear issue for quite a while, when it comes to Church policy.

You offer a cryptic response about the church’s “policy”, but no additional personal insight into how you specifically feel about this church policy. Can no one opine on what I am asking? How do you square the life of the mother, where it’s clear the baby is dead in utero, and could kill the mother if not removed from her body, with your religious adherence. Do these stories, which now are occurring with increasing frequency, change your opinion on abortion or on your religion at all?

I take it back and am sorry for offending.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the ramification is going to be a massive backlash against any faith associated with the forced birth cause. Once the bodies start piling up, it’s going to be very hard to justify participation in a faith that is bankrolling political moves that cause massive suffering, even if you personally don’t believe in it. If you are putting money in the pot, and that money is being spent on pushing a forced birth agenda, you are an active participant in it and your personal opinions are irrelevant.

There is more personal culpability on those voting Republican than pro-choice Democrats who attend a given church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm just so appalled how extremist Christians have come to make this decision for ALL American women. It is absolutely mind boggling.

I was never raised with such views being raised as a Muslim woman. 120 days is the Islamic cutoff. If the mother's health is at risk or the pregnancy isn't viable, abortion can happen at any time. 8 months, 9 months, whatever.

It is truly wild to see people argue for defending the constitution, but absolutely no Separation of Church and State - the cognitive dissonance is unreal.

Lol Muslims aren’t exactly enlightened when it comes to respecting women’s rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one can comment on this? Crickets?

I think it is crickets because there aren't many fundamentalists religious on here. Even most Catholics are politically pro-Choice except for the Paulists. And even in the Catholic Church abortion was not always absolutely not allowed (though this is hotly debated within the Church and no doubt someone will post here to say I'm wrong -- but the history is there, like it or not). As you can see this has never been a clear issue, which is why it should not be treated as such at law.

It’s certainly been a clear issue for quite a while, when it comes to Church policy.

You offer a cryptic response about the church’s “policy”, but no additional personal insight into how you specifically feel about this church policy. Can no one opine on what I am asking? How do you square the life of the mother, where it’s clear the baby is dead in utero, and could kill the mother if not removed from her body, with your religious adherence. Do these stories, which now are occurring with increasing frequency, change your opinion on abortion or on your religion at all?

I take it back and am sorry for offending.

I am the person who posted about church policy; I did not write that apology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm just so appalled how extremist Christians have come to make this decision for ALL American women. It is absolutely mind boggling.

I was never raised with such views being raised as a Muslim woman. 120 days is the Islamic cutoff. If the mother's health is at risk or the pregnancy isn't viable, abortion can happen at any time. 8 months, 9 months, whatever.

It is truly wild to see people argue for defending the constitution, but absolutely no Separation of Church and State - the cognitive dissonance is unreal.

Lol Muslims aren’t exactly enlightened when it comes to respecting women’s rights.

There's growth for strengthening women's rights in Islam, but on the topic of abortion and reproductive rights, Islam is wayyyyyyyyyy more enlightened than extremist Christianity, "lol."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am Catholic. None of these cases are based on What Jesus taught. Abortion was widely recommended by priests and catholic doctors during the potato famine in Ireland because kids weee starving to death and abortion was the right thing to do.

The rules around religion and birth control are made up by men who run the church, it’s not based in Jesus’ teachings.

The alt-right Catholics have been bamboozled, lied to, brain washed. This brain washing began centuries ago but our current situation started in the Ronald Regan era, it’s very well documented. Regan made abortion legal in California but when he ran for office a strategist explain if he ran on religious rights they could win. SO they picked prayer and abortion and the brain washing began.

I feel a little sorry for the Catholics being duped, my mom being one of them. She believes Democrats want abortions up to 6 weeks after a baby is born. You can even find video of Luz Cheney saying Democrats kill babies after they are born… and people believe it, it’s sad and pathetic.

Sounds like you are being duped by remaining part of the largest proudly anti-choice organization in the world. Your catechism states without a doubt that any and all abortion is a mortal sin. You can do all sorts of mental gymnastics to convince yourself otherwise but you yourself said you are member. Many of us would see you as sad and pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm just so appalled how extremist Christians have come to make this decision for ALL American women. It is absolutely mind boggling.

I was never raised with such views being raised as a Muslim woman. 120 days is the Islamic cutoff. If the mother's health is at risk or the pregnancy isn't viable, abortion can happen at any time. 8 months, 9 months, whatever.

It is truly wild to see people argue for defending the constitution, but absolutely no Separation of Church and State - the cognitive dissonance is unreal.

Lol Muslims aren’t exactly enlightened when it comes to respecting women’s rights.

There's growth for strengthening women's rights in Islam, but on the topic of abortion and reproductive rights, Islam is wayyyyyyyyyy more enlightened than extremist Christianity, "lol."

Yes, lots and lots of growth. Especially in the middle east.

Now, how many abortion centers are available in Saudi Arabia? The answer is less than 1

[Anonymous]

Let’s remember that the Bible was written by human beings, men at that. And has been translated many times. It is not to be taken literally as the Word of God ( yes I’m a Christian)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let’s remember that the Bible was written by human beings, men at that. And has been translated many times. It is not to be taken literally as the Word of God ( yes I’m a Christian)

How is this relevant to the Catholic Church’s view on reproductive rights?