Boundary Review Meetings

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was better for that area of wolftrap. No more attendance island

It's not a Wolftrap ES island. It's a Westbriar ES island.

Moving that island to Wolftrap would have been the obvious solution and avoided the new problems they've created (they've turned the island into an ES/MS/HS island rather than just an ES island, and they're crowding Thoreau).

But it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle once they've offered the Wolftrap families now at Marshall a one-way ticket out of IB to a wealthier school.

For those of us currently zoned Wolftrap/Kilmer/Marshall and the perfect student body mix at Marshall with strong academic performance here's hoping this boundary review process crashes and burns and no change is made.

Marshall Pride is nice but judging from the revisions to Scenario 3 and the comments at public meetings most of those zoned for Wolftrap/Kilmer/Marshall clearly welcome the Scenario 4 proposal to move to Thoreau/Madison. They haven't just quietly acquiesced in the change; they've come out in droves to say they support it.

I'm lost - is this a popularity contest? How are we measuring things? What was the "voter turnout"? Is it the wishes of parents of students now versus those that have come before or will come in the future? Is it focused on parents of students currently at a particular stage of schooling versus those at another (i.e., elementary versus high school)? Is it which moves makes neighborhoods more valuable? Is it to reduce the economic and/or ethnic diversity at certain schools while concentrating needs at certain schools? I hope this work is being done to ensure schools can handle capacity over the next 10 - 20 years, improve transportation, try to balance needs across schools, and provide the best education possible for all.

Let's recap, shall we?

Kilmer is overcrowded, Madison was recently expanded, and the latest proposal eliminates the split feeder at Wolftrap by assigning all of it, including the Marshall neighborhoods, to Thoreau/Madison. So it's kind of a three-for-one (helps with overcrowding at Kilmer, takes advantage of additional capacity at Madison, and eliminates a split feeder).

They had a community meeting this week, and those from the affected Wolftrap neighborhoods were close to unanimous in their support for the move. Reid then told them that, even if other changes were made affecting Madison/Marshall boundaries, she wouldn't anticipate the proposal affecting Wolftrap getting reversed.

Anything is possible with FCPS, but they'd have an awful lot of egg on their face at this point if they said "never mind" and reverted to the current Wolftrap boundary.

Okay, but you’re ignoring the fact that scenario 4 has:

- Kilmer at 101% and Thoreau at 104%
- Thoreau’s numbers shift even higher if TOV-Westbriar goes to Thoreau too, and if they don’t Kilmer remains a split feeder
- That moving all of Wolftrap creates a gaping attendance island for Kilmer and Marshall
- That portions of Stenwood and Cunningham Park are already zoned to Thoreau, yet sent to Marshall when they could be taking advantage of Madison’s new capacity without overcrowding Thoreau and helps reduce a three way split feeder down to two schools

So it’s creating just as many problems as it’s “fixing.”

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Anonymous wrote:These Walney Oaks folks are annoying AF and misrepresenting their situation. They are not a mile from Chantilly.

I was curious when I read that. I google mapped it. Just as close to Westfield as Chantilly--maybe closer. And definitely more in the Westfield area community wise: shopping, activities, etc.
I will say, they should not be assigned to Franklin Middle. I don't understand that.

Franklin is just a straight shot up Walney Road. It's only slightly further than Rocky Run, about about identical drive time.

Yes, but most of the kids there live north of 50. It's a pretty major dividing point visually and mentally.

Shouldn't they go to Stone Middle School if they go to Westfield? It's closer than Franklin

My takeaway was they seem to have bamboozled Reid into believing they should not only stay at Chantilly but also move to Rocky Run, so I guess it's moot. The problem I have is someone is needed to backfill kids leaving Westfield and they are one of the closest neighborhoods. Who are they proposing to do that if not them? They can't operate Westfield at <50% capacity so people do have to be moved.

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Anonymous wrote:These Walney Oaks folks are annoying AF and misrepresenting their situation. They are not a mile from Chantilly.

They have a change.org petition they are circulating. I live in a nearby neighborhood and they cross-posted it to our FB pages.

I think 28 is the better divider than Walney Road, personally.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was better for that area of wolftrap. No more attendance island

It's not a Wolftrap ES island. It's a Westbriar ES island.

Moving that island to Wolftrap would have been the obvious solution and avoided the new problems they've created (they've turned the island into an ES/MS/HS island rather than just an ES island, and they're crowding Thoreau).

But it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle once they've offered the Wolftrap families now at Marshall a one-way ticket out of IB to a wealthier school.

For those of us currently zoned Wolftrap/Kilmer/Marshall and the perfect student body mix at Marshall with strong academic performance here's hoping this boundary review process crashes and burns and no change is made.

Marshall Pride is nice but judging from the revisions to Scenario 3 and the comments at public meetings most of those zoned for Wolftrap/Kilmer/Marshall clearly welcome the Scenario 4 proposal to move to Thoreau/Madison. They haven't just quietly acquiesced in the change; they've come out in droves to say they support it.

I'm lost - is this a popularity contest? How are we measuring things? What was the "voter turnout"? Is it the wishes of parents of students now versus those that have come before or will come in the future? Is it focused on parents of students currently at a particular stage of schooling versus those at another (i.e., elementary versus high school)? Is it which moves makes neighborhoods more valuable? Is it to reduce the economic and/or ethnic diversity at certain schools while concentrating needs at certain schools? I hope this work is being done to ensure schools can handle capacity over the next 10 - 20 years, improve transportation, try to balance needs across schools, and provide the best education possible for all.

Let's recap, shall we?

Kilmer is overcrowded, Madison was recently expanded, and the latest proposal eliminates the split feeder at Wolftrap by assigning all of it, including the Marshall neighborhoods, to Thoreau/Madison. So it's kind of a three-for-one (helps with overcrowding at Kilmer, takes advantage of additional capacity at Madison, and eliminates a split feeder).

They had a community meeting this week, and those from the affected Wolftrap neighborhoods were close to unanimous in their support for the move. Reid then told them that, even if other changes were made affecting Madison/Marshall boundaries, she wouldn't anticipate the proposal affecting Wolftrap getting reversed.

Anything is possible with FCPS, but they'd have an awful lot of egg on their face at this point if they said "never mind" and reverted to the current Wolftrap boundary.

Okay, but you’re ignoring the fact that scenario 4 has:

- Kilmer at 101% and Thoreau at 104%
- Thoreau’s numbers shift even higher if TOV-Westbriar goes to Thoreau too, and if they don’t Kilmer remains a split feeder
- That moving all of Wolftrap creates a gaping attendance island for Kilmer and Marshall
- That portions of Stenwood and Cunningham Park are already zoned to Thoreau, yet sent to Marshall when they could be taking advantage of Madison’s new capacity without overcrowding Thoreau and helps reduce a three way split feeder down to two schools

So it’s creating just as many problems as it’s “fixing.”

I'm not ignoring any of this. There aren't perfect solutions.

Maybe the area now at Westbriar/Kilmer/Madison ends up a very small split from Kilmer to Madison. Their main goal was to stay at Madison, not get moved to Thoreau. And they could still come up with something that doesn't leave the Westbriar island an ES-MS-HS island. Further, if the three-way split at Thoreau is so troublesome (it's something a prior School Board very deliberately created), maybe the solution is to move the Oakton areas back to Jackson.

In any event, Reid has very clearly told the Wolftrap families now at Marshall they can expect to move to Madison. If she makes such statements, and the School Board then overrides them later, she might as well submit her resignation letter.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone across the board is happy with scenario 4 except a small contingent of folks from NE Vienna, Wolf Trap Elementary, and Lemon Rd elementary.

Wrong - Wolftrap elementary families by far favor scenario 4

That was certainly my impression.

For parents with kids currently at Wolftrap attending the meeting than yes but for parents with kids attending or having attended Marshall with Wolftrap as their elementary school than no. The second group would much rather stay with the Wolfrap / Kilmer / Marshall boundary.

We were talking about the comments at the Madison/McLean meeting last night. There were a lot of Wolftrap parents saying they favored the elimination of the split feeder, which sends them all to Madison. There was one parent asking whether his kid could attend Marshall if they are rezoned to Madison.

I don't doubt there are other Wolftrap families happy with Marshall, but they weren't speaking up last night to leave the boundary unchanged.

They can join Lemon Road’s pouting party who were told in Scenarios 1-3 that their split feeder would be resolved. Keeping Wolftrap at Marshall resolves the attendance island at the MS and HS level, and while Madison might have some capacity, Thoreau would be at 107% with nearly 750 students per grade.

They could still decide to reassign the Westbriar island to either Colvin Run or Sunrise Valley. Moving all of Wolftrap to Madison turned that island, which previously had just been an ES island, into an ES/MS/HS island. It's one thing to leave a current island alone. It's another thing to create a new island, or make an existing island worse by turning it into an island for not just the ES, but also the MS and/or HS.

i think sunrise valley is a high probability
if the chunk of south lakes in one of those proposals goes to KAA. south lakes will go down to 80%. it makes sense to move them there

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone across the board is happy with scenario 4 except a small contingent of folks from NE Vienna, Wolf Trap Elementary, and Lemon Rd elementary.

Wrong - Wolftrap elementary families by far favor scenario 4

That was certainly my impression.

For parents with kids currently at Wolftrap attending the meeting than yes but for parents with kids attending or having attended Marshall with Wolftrap as their elementary school than no. The second group would much rather stay with the Wolfrap / Kilmer / Marshall boundary.

We were talking about the comments at the Madison/McLean meeting last night. There were a lot of Wolftrap parents saying they favored the elimination of the split feeder, which sends them all to Madison. There was one parent asking whether his kid could attend Marshall if they are rezoned to Madison.

I don't doubt there are other Wolftrap families happy with Marshall, but they weren't speaking up last night to leave the boundary unchanged.

They can join Lemon Road’s pouting party who were told in Scenarios 1-3 that their split feeder would be resolved. Keeping Wolftrap at Marshall resolves the attendance island at the MS and HS level, and while Madison might have some capacity, Thoreau would be at 107% with nearly 750 students per grade.

They could still decide to reassign the Westbriar island to either Colvin Run or Sunrise Valley. Moving all of Wolftrap to Madison turned that island, which previously had just been an ES island, into an ES/MS/HS island. It's one thing to leave a current island alone. It's another thing to create a new island, or make an existing island worse by turning it into an island for not just the ES, but also the MS and/or HS.

i think sunrise valley is a high probability
if the chunk of south lakes in one of those proposals goes to KAA. south lakes will go down to 80%. it makes sense to move them there

Or send the island to Colvin Run/Cooper/Langley and they won't have to wait until 2030 to have the capacity-based argument to move at least part of Forestville into the Herndon pyramid.

Either eliminates the Westbriar island.

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was better for that area of wolftrap. No more attendance island

It's not a Wolftrap ES island. It's a Westbriar ES island.

Moving that island to Wolftrap would have been the obvious solution and avoided the new problems they've created (they've turned the island into an ES/MS/HS island rather than just an ES island, and they're crowding Thoreau).

But it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle once they've offered the Wolftrap families now at Marshall a one-way ticket out of IB to a wealthier school.

For those of us currently zoned Wolftrap/Kilmer/Marshall and the perfect student body mix at Marshall with strong academic performance here's hoping this boundary review process crashes and burns and no change is made.

Marshall Pride is nice but judging from the revisions to Scenario 3 and the comments at public meetings most of those zoned for Wolftrap/Kilmer/Marshall clearly welcome the Scenario 4 proposal to move to Thoreau/Madison. They haven't just quietly acquiesced in the change; they've come out in droves to say they support it.

I'm lost - is this a popularity contest? How are we measuring things? What was the "voter turnout"? Is it the wishes of parents of students now versus those that have come before or will come in the future? Is it focused on parents of students currently at a particular stage of schooling versus those at another (i.e., elementary versus high school)? Is it which moves makes neighborhoods more valuable? Is it to reduce the economic and/or ethnic diversity at certain schools while concentrating needs at certain schools? I hope this work is being done to ensure schools can handle capacity over the next 10 - 20 years, improve transportation, try to balance needs across schools, and provide the best education possible for all.

Let's recap, shall we?

Kilmer is overcrowded, Madison was recently expanded, and the latest proposal eliminates the split feeder at Wolftrap by assigning all of it, including the Marshall neighborhoods, to Thoreau/Madison. So it's kind of a three-for-one (helps with overcrowding at Kilmer, takes advantage of additional capacity at Madison, and eliminates a split feeder).

They had a community meeting this week, and those from the affected Wolftrap neighborhoods were close to unanimous in their support for the move. Reid then told them that, even if other changes were made affecting Madison/Marshall boundaries, she wouldn't anticipate the proposal affecting Wolftrap getting reversed.

Anything is possible with FCPS, but they'd have an awful lot of egg on their face at this point if they said "never mind" and reverted to the current Wolftrap boundary.

Okay, but you’re ignoring the fact that scenario 4 has:

- Kilmer at 101% and Thoreau at 104%
- Thoreau’s numbers shift even higher if TOV-Westbriar goes to Thoreau too, and if they don’t Kilmer remains a split feeder
- That moving all of Wolftrap creates a gaping attendance island for Kilmer and Marshall
- That portions of Stenwood and Cunningham Park are already zoned to Thoreau, yet sent to Marshall when they could be taking advantage of Madison’s new capacity without overcrowding Thoreau and helps reduce a three way split feeder down to two schools

So it’s creating just as many problems as it’s “fixing.”

I'm not ignoring any of this. There aren't perfect solutions.

Maybe the area now at Westbriar/Kilmer/Madison ends up a very small split from Kilmer to Madison. Their main goal was to stay at Madison, not get moved to Thoreau. And they could still come up with something that doesn't leave the Westbriar island an ES-MS-HS island. Further, if the three-way split at Thoreau is so troublesome (it's something a prior School Board very deliberately created), maybe the solution is to move the Oakton areas back to Jackson.

In any event, Reid has very clearly told the Wolftrap families now at Marshall they can expect to move to Madison. If she makes such statements, and the School Board then overrides them later, she might as well submit her resignation letter.

Do you have any idea how many statements she has made? She gets wrapped-up in making people that she is standing in front of her happy.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone across the board is happy with scenario 4 except a small contingent of folks from NE Vienna, Wolf Trap Elementary, and Lemon Rd elementary.

Wrong - Wolftrap elementary families by far favor scenario 4

That was certainly my impression.

For parents with kids currently at Wolftrap attending the meeting than yes but for parents with kids attending or having attended Marshall with Wolftrap as their elementary school than no. The second group would much rather stay with the Wolfrap / Kilmer / Marshall boundary.

We were talking about the comments at the Madison/McLean meeting last night. There were a lot of Wolftrap parents saying they favored the elimination of the split feeder, which sends them all to Madison. There was one parent asking whether his kid could attend Marshall if they are rezoned to Madison.

I don't doubt there are other Wolftrap families happy with Marshall, but they weren't speaking up last night to leave the boundary unchanged.

They can join Lemon Road’s pouting party who were told in Scenarios 1-3 that their split feeder would be resolved. Keeping Wolftrap at Marshall resolves the attendance island at the MS and HS level, and while Madison might have some capacity, Thoreau would be at 107% with nearly 750 students per grade.

They could still decide to reassign the Westbriar island to either Colvin Run or Sunrise Valley. Moving all of Wolftrap to Madison turned that island, which previously had just been an ES island, into an ES/MS/HS island. It's one thing to leave a current island alone. It's another thing to create a new island, or make an existing island worse by turning it into an island for not just the ES, but also the MS and/or HS.

i think sunrise valley is a high probability
if the chunk of south lakes in one of those proposals goes to KAA. south lakes will go down to 80%. it makes sense to move them there

Or send the island to Colvin Run/Cooper/Langley and they won't have to wait until 2030 to have the capacity-based argument to move at least part of Forestville into the Herndon pyramid.

Either eliminates the Westbriar island.

i don’t see them doing that this round. i have listened to many meetings and reid has said from here it will be micro changes and they aren’t going to propose moving any areas that haven’t been considered already. they said they are too far in and can’t handle the fight if it happens. if they move westbriar to langley it would put it over capacity which is the main focus of this round of boundary changes (per reid). they would then have to cut neighborhoods out of langley which have not been proposed in any scenario so far. i dont see it happening

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Anonymous wrote:Scenario 3 was better for that area of wolftrap. No more attendance island

It's not a Wolftrap ES island. It's a Westbriar ES island.

Moving that island to Wolftrap would have been the obvious solution and avoided the new problems they've created (they've turned the island into an ES/MS/HS island rather than just an ES island, and they're crowding Thoreau).

But it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle once they've offered the Wolftrap families now at Marshall a one-way ticket out of IB to a wealthier school.

For those of us currently zoned Wolftrap/Kilmer/Marshall and the perfect student body mix at Marshall with strong academic performance here's hoping this boundary review process crashes and burns and no change is made.

Marshall Pride is nice but judging from the revisions to Scenario 3 and the comments at public meetings most of those zoned for Wolftrap/Kilmer/Marshall clearly welcome the Scenario 4 proposal to move to Thoreau/Madison. They haven't just quietly acquiesced in the change; they've come out in droves to say they support it.

I'm lost - is this a popularity contest? How are we measuring things? What was the "voter turnout"? Is it the wishes of parents of students now versus those that have come before or will come in the future? Is it focused on parents of students currently at a particular stage of schooling versus those at another (i.e., elementary versus high school)? Is it which moves makes neighborhoods more valuable? Is it to reduce the economic and/or ethnic diversity at certain schools while concentrating needs at certain schools? I hope this work is being done to ensure schools can handle capacity over the next 10 - 20 years, improve transportation, try to balance needs across schools, and provide the best education possible for all.

Let's recap, shall we?

Kilmer is overcrowded, Madison was recently expanded, and the latest proposal eliminates the split feeder at Wolftrap by assigning all of it, including the Marshall neighborhoods, to Thoreau/Madison. So it's kind of a three-for-one (helps with overcrowding at Kilmer, takes advantage of additional capacity at Madison, and eliminates a split feeder).

They had a community meeting this week, and those from the affected Wolftrap neighborhoods were close to unanimous in their support for the move. Reid then told them that, even if other changes were made affecting Madison/Marshall boundaries, she wouldn't anticipate the proposal affecting Wolftrap getting reversed.

Anything is possible with FCPS, but they'd have an awful lot of egg on their face at this point if they said "never mind" and reverted to the current Wolftrap boundary.

Okay, but you’re ignoring the fact that scenario 4 has:

- Kilmer at 101% and Thoreau at 104%
- Thoreau’s numbers shift even higher if TOV-Westbriar goes to Thoreau too, and if they don’t Kilmer remains a split feeder
- That moving all of Wolftrap creates a gaping attendance island for Kilmer and Marshall
- That portions of Stenwood and Cunningham Park are already zoned to Thoreau, yet sent to Marshall when they could be taking advantage of Madison’s new capacity without overcrowding Thoreau and helps reduce a three way split feeder down to two schools

So it’s creating just as many problems as it’s “fixing.”

I'm not ignoring any of this. There aren't perfect solutions.

Maybe the area now at Westbriar/Kilmer/Madison ends up a very small split from Kilmer to Madison. Their main goal was to stay at Madison, not get moved to Thoreau. And they could still come up with something that doesn't leave the Westbriar island an ES-MS-HS island. Further, if the three-way split at Thoreau is so troublesome (it's something a prior School Board very deliberately created), maybe the solution is to move the Oakton areas back to Jackson.

In any event, Reid has very clearly told the Wolftrap families now at Marshall they can expect to move to Madison. If she makes such statements, and the School Board then overrides them later, she might as well submit her resignation letter.

Do you have any idea how many statements she has made? She gets wrapped-up in making people that she is standing in front of her happy.

this. how many times last night did she tell people to write down their proposals so she could look at them. there is no way she’s taking most of them serious

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Anonymous wrote:Have Oakton people tried to take over the Chantilly meeting?

Yes, there was someone from Crossfield advocating to keep with Oakton.

Couple more in the breakout session.

The squeeky wheel will get oiled.

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Anonymous wrote:Have Oakton people tried to take over the Chantilly meeting?

Yes, there was someone from Crossfield advocating to keep with Oakton.

I'm sure I know exactly who it was, LOL

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I was just in the breakout session and the fcps rep said there wi be only micro changes for fine toning to scenario 4 except in the area of Madison and Marshall where the students will be moved back into Madison and some will be moved back to Marshall.

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They are the worst.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone across the board is happy with scenario 4 except a small contingent of folks from NE Vienna, Wolf Trap Elementary, and Lemon Rd elementary.

Wrong - Wolftrap elementary families by far favor scenario 4

That was certainly my impression.

For parents with kids currently at Wolftrap attending the meeting than yes but for parents with kids attending or having attended Marshall with Wolftrap as their elementary school than no. The second group would much rather stay with the Wolfrap / Kilmer / Marshall boundary.

We were talking about the comments at the Madison/McLean meeting last night. There were a lot of Wolftrap parents saying they favored the elimination of the split feeder, which sends them all to Madison. There was one parent asking whether his kid could attend Marshall if they are rezoned to Madison.

I don't doubt there are other Wolftrap families happy with Marshall, but they weren't speaking up last night to leave the boundary unchanged.

They can join Lemon Road’s pouting party who were told in Scenarios 1-3 that their split feeder would be resolved. Keeping Wolftrap at Marshall resolves the attendance island at the MS and HS level, and while Madison might have some capacity, Thoreau would be at 107% with nearly 750 students per grade.

They could still decide to reassign the Westbriar island to either Colvin Run or Sunrise Valley. Moving all of Wolftrap to Madison turned that island, which previously had just been an ES island, into an ES/MS/HS island. It's one thing to leave a current island alone. It's another thing to create a new island, or make an existing island worse by turning it into an island for not just the ES, but also the MS and/or HS.

i think sunrise valley is a high probability
if the chunk of south lakes in one of those proposals goes to KAA. south lakes will go down to 80%. it makes sense to move them there

Or send the island to Colvin Run/Cooper/Langley and they won't have to wait until 2030 to have the capacity-based argument to move at least part of Forestville into the Herndon pyramid.

Either eliminates the Westbriar island.

i don’t see them doing that this round. i have listened to many meetings and reid has said from here it will be micro changes and they aren’t going to propose moving any areas that haven’t been considered already. they said they are too far in and can’t handle the fight if it happens. if they move westbriar to langley it would put it over capacity which is the main focus of this round of boundary changes (per reid). they would then have to cut neighborhoods out of langley which have not been proposed in any scenario so far. i dont see it happening

She’s also said they have about a dozen open “hot spot” areas and it seems likely the Westbriar island is one of them. Turning what was just an ES island to an ES-MS-HS island is a problem.

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She really does have a way of making people feel like she has heard them and will fix it