Admitting you are Asian (college apps)

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Anonymous wrote:The law allows schools to have a diverse student body. You need to change the law.

The law allows schools to use racial discrimination in order to have a diverse student body.

Maybe if that were the official ruling, we can at least confront reality and move on with our lives.

I guess you should move on. Describe it as you wish but Harvard’s holistic admission process was found to be legal. The holistic admission standard has been ruled on in quite a few cases and it has been upheld repeatedly.

If true, courts may have done that to give ammunition to employers to “holistically” evaluate their applicants and employees. As Harvard uses holistic evaluation, corporate America uses holistic evaluation in evaluating Harvard URM’s watered-down degrees.

See it as you will. I understand you will not hire any black people and that is ok. But Asians numbers in corporate America are not good so it might backfire on you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is an article from 2012, its old so the info is not up to date. In the fortune 500. There were 5 black CEOs, 10 Asian and 10 Latino.

https://www.diversityinc.com/wheres-the-diversity-in-fortune-500-ceos/

Ok, 5 out of 500 gives you 1% in a country where blacks make up 15% of the population.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard ain’t all that.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

This uses old data. You have proved nothing. Asian have the same barriers in corporate America. Your articles are coming. Blacks at elite schools do better than other blacks because they are still black. I don’t know why this concept is so hard for you to understand? But there are many more black senior managers in corporate America than Asian senior managers. Asian CEOs outside of Asian companies are not common and many Asian companies have Anglo CEOs.
There are now a number of blacks (mostly ivy alum) that are CEOs and a bunch of senior managers. Maybe you should examine some companies instead pulling up an article based on old date.

Can you name some?

Still waiting for names, especially ivy URM alum ceos.

CEO of Merck, TIAA, Amex, Former Xerox, Vista Equity and lots of senior execs and professionals

Ok that’s 4. Four out of literally thousands of US corporations gets you <1% of CEOs. And which ones are Ivy URM alums?

And who are these, “...and lots of senior execs and professionals“?

No it’s not four. I just picked fortune 100 companies that were top of mind (I don’t walk around knowing all the black CEOs in America. I thought of Vista because the CEO paid for all the students loans for a graduating class at an HBCU recently. There are many other companies and I can not list them all for you. The level below is often where I see black in public companies. Again I can not name them all for you. I am sorry you are angry at all black people. Having said the foregoing, I really only can think of one Asian CEO at a fortune 100, I think Pepsi but until
Now I never thought about it so I am sure there are more. Can you name any?

When I googled, I had trouble finding many black CEOs.
I am not in the line of work where I have a need to know who the corporate ceos are, blacks, Asians, or whites.
But the thing about blacks is that they have been in the USA for nearly 200 years whereas many Asians are relatively recent arrivals. I think if you check Asian countries, you will not find many white or black ceos over on that side.

What dumb logic. I think if you check African countries, you will not find many Asian or White CEOs over on that side.

It’s bad that more blacks aren’t in higher roles, but the fact that you think being racist towards Asian students is okay to justify that is mental gymnastics to make you feel good.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard ain’t all that.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

This uses old data. You have proved nothing. Asian have the same barriers in corporate America. Your articles are coming. Blacks at elite schools do better than other blacks because they are still black. I don’t know why this concept is so hard for you to understand? But there are many more black senior managers in corporate America than Asian senior managers. Asian CEOs outside of Asian companies are not common and many Asian companies have Anglo CEOs.
There are now a number of blacks (mostly ivy alum) that are CEOs and a bunch of senior managers. Maybe you should examine some companies instead pulling up an article based on old date.

Can you name some?

Still waiting for names, especially ivy URM alum ceos.

CEO of Merck, TIAA, Amex, Former Xerox, Vista Equity and lots of senior execs and professionals

Ok that’s 4. Four out of literally thousands of US corporations gets you <1% of CEOs. And which ones are Ivy URM alums?

And who are these, “...and lots of senior execs and professionals“?

No it’s not four. I just picked fortune 100 companies that were top of mind (I don’t walk around knowing all the black CEOs in America. I thought of Vista because the CEO paid for all the students loans for a graduating class at an HBCU recently. There are many other companies and I can not list them all for you. The level below is often where I see black in public companies. Again I can not name them all for you. I am sorry you are angry at all black people. Having said the foregoing, I really only can think of one Asian CEO at a fortune 100, I think Pepsi but until
Now I never thought about it so I am sure there are more. Can you name any?

When I googled, I had trouble finding many black CEOs.
I am not in the line of work where I have a need to know who the corporate ceos are, blacks, Asians, or whites.
But the thing about blacks is that they have been in the USA for nearly 200 years whereas many Asians are relatively recent arrivals. I think if you check Asian countries, you will not find many white or black ceos over on that side.

I posted a list (a little dated) above. First, Asian companies do have European CEOs and we could include Africa if you include Asian (I think this is stupid). Second, I do deal with senior management at work and there is often a black person senior manager in publicly traded companies. Blacks were slaves for the first 200 years so you really can not count that time. Your argument about outcomes works against all minorities and women. It also works against non legacies. Legacies often have great outcomes because they have a network that opens many doors and creates opportunities (no matter the race). Outcomes are also best for kids that go to Harvard with a fully stocked trust fund or a ready made job. If you do get to Harvard you realize about the third day that you probably will never be as rich as some of your classmates or be as connected not matter how smart. Not everyone can invent Facebook and even if you do, you may be pushed out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The law allows schools to have a diverse student body. You need to change the law.

The law allows schools to use racial discrimination in order to have a diverse student body.

Maybe if that were the official ruling, we can at least confront reality and move on with our lives.

I guess you should move on. Describe it as you wish but Harvard’s holistic admission process was found to be legal. The holistic admission standard has been ruled on in quite a few cases and it has been upheld repeatedly.

If true, courts may have done that to give ammunition to employers to “holistically” evaluate their applicants and employees. As Harvard uses holistic evaluation, corporate America uses holistic evaluation in evaluating Harvard URM’s watered-down degrees.

See it as you will. I understand you will not hire any black people and that is ok. But Asians numbers in corporate America are not good so it might backfire on you.

Not many Asians go into business, finance, mba, so it’s not critical Asians need to shine in those areas. Asians typically don’t go into sports either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard ain’t all that.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

This uses old data. You have proved nothing. Asian have the same barriers in corporate America. Your articles are coming. Blacks at elite schools do better than other blacks because they are still black. I don’t know why this concept is so hard for you to understand? But there are many more black senior managers in corporate America than Asian senior managers. Asian CEOs outside of Asian companies are not common and many Asian companies have Anglo CEOs.
There are now a number of blacks (mostly ivy alum) that are CEOs and a bunch of senior managers. Maybe you should examine some companies instead pulling up an article based on old date.

Can you name some?

Still waiting for names, especially ivy URM alum ceos.

CEO of Merck, TIAA, Amex, Former Xerox, Vista Equity and lots of senior execs and professionals

Ok that’s 4. Four out of literally thousands of US corporations gets you <1% of CEOs. And which ones are Ivy URM alums?

And who are these, “...and lots of senior execs and professionals“?

No it’s not four. I just picked fortune 100 companies that were top of mind (I don’t walk around knowing all the black CEOs in America. I thought of Vista because the CEO paid for all the students loans for a graduating class at an HBCU recently. There are many other companies and I can not list them all for you. The level below is often where I see black in public companies. Again I can not name them all for you. I am sorry you are angry at all black people. Having said the foregoing, I really only can think of one Asian CEO at a fortune 100, I think Pepsi but until
Now I never thought about it so I am sure there are more. Can you name any?

When I googled, I had trouble finding many black CEOs.
I am not in the line of work where I have a need to know who the corporate ceos are, blacks, Asians, or whites.
But the thing about blacks is that they have been in the USA for nearly 200 years whereas many Asians are relatively recent arrivals. I think if you check Asian countries, you will not find many white or black ceos over on that side.

I posted a list (a little dated) above. First, Asian companies do have European CEOs and we could include Africa if you include Asian (I think this is stupid). Second, I do deal with senior management at work and there is often a black person senior manager in publicly traded companies. Blacks were slaves for the first 200 years so you really can not count that time. Your argument about outcomes works against all minorities and women. It also works against non legacies. Legacies often have great outcomes because they have a network that opens many doors and creates opportunities (no matter the race). Outcomes are also best for kids that go to Harvard with a fully stocked trust fund or a ready made job. If you do get to Harvard you realize about the third day that you probably will never be as rich as some of your classmates or be as connected not matter how smart. Not everyone can invent Facebook and even if you do, you may be pushed out.

The only European CEO that makes news is the former Nissan CEO. And he’s a fugitive in hiding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is an article from 2012, its old so the info is not up to date. In the fortune 500. There were 5 black CEOs, 10 Asian and 10 Latino.

https://www.diversityinc.com/wheres-the-diversity-in-fortune-500-ceos/

Ok, 5 out of 500 gives you 1% in a country where blacks make up 15% of the population.

yep and there were 10 asian at mostly smaller companies. But I don't have a problem with Asians, Whites, Latinos or Blacks. I also do not have a problem with holistic admissions. I am glad that my kids know that you win some and lose some but you get up and move forward. Life goes on and can be very good. Lots of places to go to school and lots of ways to earn a great living. You are just angry at Black people which is funny since it was not created by or for Black people.

[Anonymous]

Corporate America discriminates against Asians too

https://www.economist.com/business/2020/02/29/indian-v-chinese-bosses-in-america-inc

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard ain’t all that.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

This uses old data. You have proved nothing. Asian have the same barriers in corporate America. Your articles are coming. Blacks at elite schools do better than other blacks because they are still black. I don’t know why this concept is so hard for you to understand? But there are many more black senior managers in corporate America than Asian senior managers. Asian CEOs outside of Asian companies are not common and many Asian companies have Anglo CEOs.
There are now a number of blacks (mostly ivy alum) that are CEOs and a bunch of senior managers. Maybe you should examine some companies instead pulling up an article based on old date.

Can you name some?

Still waiting for names, especially ivy URM alum ceos.

CEO of Merck, TIAA, Amex, Former Xerox, Vista Equity and lots of senior execs and professionals

Ok that’s 4. Four out of literally thousands of US corporations gets you <1% of CEOs. And which ones are Ivy URM alums?

And who are these, “...and lots of senior execs and professionals“?

No it’s not four. I just picked fortune 100 companies that were top of mind (I don’t walk around knowing all the black CEOs in America. I thought of Vista because the CEO paid for all the students loans for a graduating class at an HBCU recently. There are many other companies and I can not list them all for you. The level below is often where I see black in public companies. Again I can not name them all for you. I am sorry you are angry at all black people. Having said the foregoing, I really only can think of one Asian CEO at a fortune 100, I think Pepsi but until
Now I never thought about it so I am sure there are more. Can you name any?

When I googled, I had trouble finding many black CEOs.
I am not in the line of work where I have a need to know who the corporate ceos are, blacks, Asians, or whites.
But the thing about blacks is that they have been in the USA for nearly 200 years whereas many Asians are relatively recent arrivals. I think if you check Asian countries, you will not find many white or black ceos over on that side.

I posted a list (a little dated) above. First, Asian companies do have European CEOs and we could include Africa if you include Asian (I think this is stupid). Second, I do deal with senior management at work and there is often a black person senior manager in publicly traded companies. Blacks were slaves for the first 200 years so you really can not count that time. Your argument about outcomes works against all minorities and women. It also works against non legacies. Legacies often have great outcomes because they have a network that opens many doors and creates opportunities (no matter the race). Outcomes are also best for kids that go to Harvard with a fully stocked trust fund or a ready made job. If you do get to Harvard you realize about the third day that you probably will never be as rich as some of your classmates or be as connected not matter how smart. Not everyone can invent Facebook and even if you do, you may be pushed out.

The only European CEO that makes news is the former Nissan CEO. And he’s a fugitive in hiding.

OK I probably deal with a lot of American subsidiaries which send of US management.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The law allows schools to have a diverse student body. You need to change the law.

The law allows schools to use racial discrimination in order to have a diverse student body.

Maybe if that were the official ruling, we can at least confront reality and move on with our lives.

I guess you should move on. Describe it as you wish but Harvard’s holistic admission process was found to be legal. The holistic admission standard has been ruled on in quite a few cases and it has been upheld repeatedly.

If true, courts may have done that to give ammunition to employers to “holistically” evaluate their applicants and employees. As Harvard uses holistic evaluation, corporate America uses holistic evaluation in evaluating Harvard URM’s watered-down degrees.

See it as you will. I understand you will not hire any black people and that is ok. But Asians numbers in corporate America are not good so it might backfire on you.

Not many Asians go into business, finance, mba, so it’s not critical Asians need to shine in those areas. Asians typically don’t go into sports either.

According to the economist

Fifteen years later Asians are still under-represented. Some 11% of associates at American law firms are Asian, but only 3% of partners are. In technology Asians make up over 30% of the workers but less than 15% of bosses. In 2017 Asians made up roughly 6% of the country’s population but only 3% (16) of the bosses of s&p 500 firms.

https://www.economist.com/business/2020/02/29/indian-v-chinese-bosses-in-america-inc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The law allows schools to have a diverse student body. You need to change the law.

The law allows schools to use racial discrimination in order to have a diverse student body.

Maybe if that were the official ruling, we can at least confront reality and move on with our lives.

I guess you should move on. Describe it as you wish but Harvard’s holistic admission process was found to be legal. The holistic admission standard has been ruled on in quite a few cases and it has been upheld repeatedly.

If true, courts may have done that to give ammunition to employers to “holistically” evaluate their applicants and employees. As Harvard uses holistic evaluation, corporate America uses holistic evaluation in evaluating Harvard URM’s watered-down degrees.

See it as you will. I understand you will not hire any black people and that is ok. But Asians numbers in corporate America are not good so it might backfire on you.

Not many Asians go into business, finance, mba, so it’s not critical Asians need to shine in those areas. Asians typically don’t go into sports either.

According to the economist

Fifteen years later Asians are still under-represented. Some 11% of associates at American law firms are Asian, but only 3% of partners are. In technology Asians make up over 30% of the workers but less than 15% of bosses. In 2017 Asians made up roughly 6% of the country’s population but only 3% (16) of the bosses of s&p 500 firms.

https://www.economist.com/business/2020/02/29/indian-v-chinese-bosses-in-america-inc

Looking for Asians in top positions in the US is not unlike looking for whites in Africa or blacks in Asia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The law allows schools to have a diverse student body. You need to change the law.

The law allows schools to use racial discrimination in order to have a diverse student body.

Maybe if that were the official ruling, we can at least confront reality and move on with our lives.

I guess you should move on. Describe it as you wish but Harvard’s holistic admission process was found to be legal. The holistic admission standard has been ruled on in quite a few cases and it has been upheld repeatedly.

If true, courts may have done that to give ammunition to employers to “holistically” evaluate their applicants and employees. As Harvard uses holistic evaluation, corporate America uses holistic evaluation in evaluating Harvard URM’s watered-down degrees.

See it as you will. I understand you will not hire any black people and that is ok. But Asians numbers in corporate America are not good so it might backfire on you.

Not many Asians go into business, finance, mba, so it’s not critical Asians need to shine in those areas. Asians typically don’t go into sports either.

According to the economist

Fifteen years later Asians are still under-represented. Some 11% of associates at American law firms are Asian, but only 3% of partners are. In technology Asians make up over 30% of the workers but less than 15% of bosses. In 2017 Asians made up roughly 6% of the country’s population but only 3% (16) of the bosses of s&p 500 firms.

https://www.economist.com/business/2020/02/29/indian-v-chinese-bosses-in-america-inc

Looking for Asians in top positions in the US is not unlike looking for whites in Africa or blacks in Asia.

OK you were posting that blacks did not have good outcomes. I was merely pointing out that the huge proportion of Asian students going to elite schools have similarly poor outcomes if that is the standard. Again, I do not have a problem with anyone or the standard i just think if you are going to repeatedly post URMs under preform you should be aware that the huge contingent of Asians at elite schools have the same outcomes. both groups do worse than whites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The law allows schools to have a diverse student body. You need to change the law.

The law allows schools to use racial discrimination in order to have a diverse student body.

Maybe if that were the official ruling, we can at least confront reality and move on with our lives.

I guess you should move on. Describe it as you wish but Harvard’s holistic admission process was found to be legal. The holistic admission standard has been ruled on in quite a few cases and it has been upheld repeatedly.

If true, courts may have done that to give ammunition to employers to “holistically” evaluate their applicants and employees. As Harvard uses holistic evaluation, corporate America uses holistic evaluation in evaluating Harvard URM’s watered-down degrees.

See it as you will. I understand you will not hire any black people and that is ok. But Asians numbers in corporate America are not good so it might backfire on you.

Not many Asians go into business, finance, mba, so it’s not critical Asians need to shine in those areas. Asians typically don’t go into sports either.

According to the economist

Fifteen years later Asians are still under-represented. Some 11% of associates at American law firms are Asian, but only 3% of partners are. In technology Asians make up over 30% of the workers but less than 15% of bosses. In 2017 Asians made up roughly 6% of the country’s population but only 3% (16) of the bosses of s&p 500 firms.

https://www.economist.com/business/2020/02/29/indian-v-chinese-bosses-in-america-inc

Looking for Asians in top positions in the US is not unlike looking for whites in Africa or blacks in Asia.

OK you were posting that blacks did not have good outcomes. I was merely pointing out that the huge proportion of Asian students going to elite schools have similarly poor outcomes if that is the standard. Again, I do not have a problem with anyone or the standard i just think if you are going to repeatedly post URMs under preform you should be aware that the huge contingent of Asians at elite schools have the same outcomes. both groups do worse than whites.

Do you have a study showing Asian ivy alums do poorly? I’ve seen a study that shows black H alums don’t do all that great.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The law allows schools to have a diverse student body. You need to change the law.

The law allows schools to use racial discrimination in order to have a diverse student body.

Maybe if that were the official ruling, we can at least confront reality and move on with our lives.

I guess you should move on. Describe it as you wish but Harvard’s holistic admission process was found to be legal. The holistic admission standard has been ruled on in quite a few cases and it has been upheld repeatedly.

If true, courts may have done that to give ammunition to employers to “holistically” evaluate their applicants and employees. As Harvard uses holistic evaluation, corporate America uses holistic evaluation in evaluating Harvard URM’s watered-down degrees.

See it as you will. I understand you will not hire any black people and that is ok. But Asians numbers in corporate America are not good so it might backfire on you.

Not many Asians go into business, finance, mba, so it’s not critical Asians need to shine in those areas. Asians typically don’t go into sports either.

According to the economist

Fifteen years later Asians are still under-represented. Some 11% of associates at American law firms are Asian, but only 3% of partners are. In technology Asians make up over 30% of the workers but less than 15% of bosses. In 2017 Asians made up roughly 6% of the country’s population but only 3% (16) of the bosses of s&p 500 firms.

https://www.economist.com/business/2020/02/29/indian-v-chinese-bosses-in-america-inc

Looking for Asians in top positions in the US is not unlike looking for whites in Africa or blacks in Asia.

OK you were posting that blacks did not have good outcomes. I was merely pointing out that the huge proportion of Asian students going to elite schools have similarly poor outcomes if that is the standard. Again, I do not have a problem with anyone or the standard i just think if you are going to repeatedly post URMs under preform you should be aware that the huge contingent of Asians at elite schools have the same outcomes. both groups do worse than whites.

Do you have a study showing Asian ivy alums do poorly? I’ve seen a study that shows black H alums don’t do all that great.

Funny, when the Asian discrimination investigation started the school stopped publishing compensation numbers by race. Here is the breakout for 2019 but it only goes as far as male and female now.
https://features.thecrimson.com/2019/senior-survey/after-harvard/
I do not think there will be any more information released by race in the future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The law allows schools to have a diverse student body. You need to change the law.

The law allows schools to use racial discrimination in order to have a diverse student body.

Maybe if that were the official ruling, we can at least confront reality and move on with our lives.

I guess you should move on. Describe it as you wish but Harvard’s holistic admission process was found to be legal. The holistic admission standard has been ruled on in quite a few cases and it has been upheld repeatedly.

If true, courts may have done that to give ammunition to employers to “holistically” evaluate their applicants and employees. As Harvard uses holistic evaluation, corporate America uses holistic evaluation in evaluating Harvard URM’s watered-down degrees.

See it as you will. I understand you will not hire any black people and that is ok. But Asians numbers in corporate America are not good so it might backfire on you.

Not many Asians go into business, finance, mba, so it’s not critical Asians need to shine in those areas. Asians typically don’t go into sports either.

I work in banking and have to a of Asian colleagues. I’m in audit and as a white woman, am the minority. In my bank’s audit department, Asians are the majority (although we may be unusual). It’s not investment banking, so maybe that is what you are referring to.