Admitting you are Asian (college apps)

[Anonymous]

If you “normalize” the test scores As part of a holistic admissions process how is that unfair? If anything it is an attempt to make it fair.

A 34 ACT and 104 weight GPA from one kid with every advantage in the world vs a 30 ACT and a 98 weighted GPA with every disadvantage in the world which is bigger accomplishment?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard ain’t all that.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

Then why do you care?

Why anyone should care is that Harvard’s position is self defeating. It focuses on holistic evaluation, not on stats. The US employers, following H’s footsteps, simply apply holistic evaluation in properly down grading Harvard URM’s watered-downed degree. Even Harvard law and medical schools routinely reject H undergraduates in favor of students from lesser known schools. Harvard knows the value of H undergraduate degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you “normalize” the test scores As part of a holistic admissions process how is that unfair? If anything it is an attempt to make it fair.

A 34 ACT and 104 weight GPA from one kid with every advantage in the world vs a 30 ACT and a 98 weighted GPA with every disadvantage in the world which is bigger accomplishment?

Except that's not what a holistic admissions process entails.

The exact opposite in fact. A white kid with every advantage in the world and a 30 ACT and 98 weighted GPA with legacy and/or donor status will get in over an Asian kid with no advantages and a 34 ACT and 104 weighted GPA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It’s discrimination because Harvard is not all Asian? That is not what the court ruled. Maybe you can get a lobbyist and change the law. Some kids who are black, white and Asian are qualified and get rejected. A lot of kid actually. It’s a crapshoot. I will tell you who does get in people with a lot of $$$ and famous parents. That is life. There are also poor kids with multiple hardships of every race that have lower scores that get in. I guess that bother you too.

It's racial discrimination to decide admissions based on race and always negatively affect one specific race. If you have a hard time understanding this, not sure you have the wits to understand basic facts.

If a company requires twice as many credentials for women when hiring men, that is sexual discrimination in hiring. You could try your idiotic rhetoric and state that its "not sexual discrimination to not be all women", and you would still be objectively wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard ain’t all that.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

This uses old data. You have proved nothing. Asian have the same barriers in corporate America. Your articles are coming. Blacks at elite schools do better than other blacks because they are still black. I don’t know why this concept is so hard for you to understand? But there are many more black senior managers in corporate America than Asian senior managers. Asian CEOs outside of Asian companies are not common and many Asian companies have Anglo CEOs.
There are now a number of blacks (mostly ivy alum) that are CEOs and a bunch of senior managers. Maybe you should examine some companies instead pulling up an article based on old date.

Can you name some?

Still waiting for names, especially ivy URM alum ceos.

[Anonymous]

The law allows schools to have a diverse student body. You need to change the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard ain’t all that.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

This uses old data. You have proved nothing. Asian have the same barriers in corporate America. Your articles are coming. Blacks at elite schools do better than other blacks because they are still black. I don’t know why this concept is so hard for you to understand? But there are many more black senior managers in corporate America than Asian senior managers. Asian CEOs outside of Asian companies are not common and many Asian companies have Anglo CEOs.
There are now a number of blacks (mostly ivy alum) that are CEOs and a bunch of senior managers. Maybe you should examine some companies instead pulling up an article based on old date.

Can you name some?

Still waiting for names, especially ivy URM alum ceos.

CEO of Merck, TIAA, Amex, Former Xerox, Vista Equity and lots of senior execs and professionals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The law allows schools to have a diverse student body. You need to change the law.

The law allows schools to use racial discrimination in order to have a diverse student body.

Maybe if that were the official ruling, we can at least confront reality and move on with our lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard ain’t all that.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

This uses old data. You have proved nothing. Asian have the same barriers in corporate America. Your articles are coming. Blacks at elite schools do better than other blacks because they are still black. I don’t know why this concept is so hard for you to understand? But there are many more black senior managers in corporate America than Asian senior managers. Asian CEOs outside of Asian companies are not common and many Asian companies have Anglo CEOs.
There are now a number of blacks (mostly ivy alum) that are CEOs and a bunch of senior managers. Maybe you should examine some companies instead pulling up an article based on old date.

Can you name some?

Still waiting for names, especially ivy URM alum ceos.

CEO of Merck, TIAA, Amex, Former Xerox, Vista Equity and lots of senior execs and professionals

Ok that’s 4. Four out of literally thousands of US corporations gets you <1% of CEOs. And which ones are Ivy URM alums?

And who are these, “...and lots of senior execs and professionals“?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The law allows schools to have a diverse student body. You need to change the law.

The law allows schools to use racial discrimination in order to have a diverse student body.

Maybe if that were the official ruling, we can at least confront reality and move on with our lives.

I guess you should move on. Describe it as you wish but Harvard’s holistic admission process was found to be legal. The holistic admission standard has been ruled on in quite a few cases and it has been upheld repeatedly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard ain’t all that.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

This uses old data. You have proved nothing. Asian have the same barriers in corporate America. Your articles are coming. Blacks at elite schools do better than other blacks because they are still black. I don’t know why this concept is so hard for you to understand? But there are many more black senior managers in corporate America than Asian senior managers. Asian CEOs outside of Asian companies are not common and many Asian companies have Anglo CEOs.
There are now a number of blacks (mostly ivy alum) that are CEOs and a bunch of senior managers. Maybe you should examine some companies instead pulling up an article based on old date.

Can you name some?

Still waiting for names, especially ivy URM alum ceos.

CEO of Merck, TIAA, Amex, Former Xerox, Vista Equity and lots of senior execs and professionals

Ok that’s 4. Four out of literally thousands of US corporations gets you <1% of CEOs. And which ones are Ivy URM alums?

And who are these, “...and lots of senior execs and professionals“?

No it’s not four. I just picked fortune 100 companies that were top of mind (I don’t walk around knowing all the black CEOs in America. I thought of Vista because the CEO paid for all the students loans for a graduating class at an HBCU recently. There are many other companies and I can not list them all for you. The level below is often where I see black in public companies. Again I can not name them all for you. I am sorry you are angry at all black people. Having said the foregoing, I really only can think of one Asian CEO at a fortune 100, I think Pepsi but until
Now I never thought about it so I am sure there are more. Can you name any?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The law allows schools to have a diverse student body. You need to change the law.

The law allows schools to use racial discrimination in order to have a diverse student body.

Maybe if that were the official ruling, we can at least confront reality and move on with our lives.

I guess you should move on. Describe it as you wish but Harvard’s holistic admission process was found to be legal. The holistic admission standard has been ruled on in quite a few cases and it has been upheld repeatedly.

Legalized, systemic racism is not a big surprise in this country. It’s part of the founding of it. It’s been built by it.

People are only woke to the parts of it that they pick and choose. Otherwise racism is holistic and legal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The law allows schools to have a diverse student body. You need to change the law.

The law allows schools to use racial discrimination in order to have a diverse student body.

Maybe if that were the official ruling, we can at least confront reality and move on with our lives.

I guess you should move on. Describe it as you wish but Harvard’s holistic admission process was found to be legal. The holistic admission standard has been ruled on in quite a few cases and it has been upheld repeatedly.

If true, courts may have done that to give ammunition to employers to “holistically” evaluate their applicants and employees. As Harvard uses holistic evaluation, corporate America uses holistic evaluation in evaluating Harvard URM’s watered-down degrees.

[Anonymous]

Here is an article from 2012, its old so the info is not up to date. In the fortune 500. There were 5 black CEOs, 10 Asian and 10 Latino.

https://www.diversityinc.com/wheres-the-diversity-in-fortune-500-ceos/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Harvard ain’t all that.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/03/06/elite-college-degrees-give-black-graduates-little-advantage-job-market

This uses old data. You have proved nothing. Asian have the same barriers in corporate America. Your articles are coming. Blacks at elite schools do better than other blacks because they are still black. I don’t know why this concept is so hard for you to understand? But there are many more black senior managers in corporate America than Asian senior managers. Asian CEOs outside of Asian companies are not common and many Asian companies have Anglo CEOs.
There are now a number of blacks (mostly ivy alum) that are CEOs and a bunch of senior managers. Maybe you should examine some companies instead pulling up an article based on old date.

Can you name some?

Still waiting for names, especially ivy URM alum ceos.

CEO of Merck, TIAA, Amex, Former Xerox, Vista Equity and lots of senior execs and professionals

Ok that’s 4. Four out of literally thousands of US corporations gets you <1% of CEOs. And which ones are Ivy URM alums?

And who are these, “...and lots of senior execs and professionals“?

No it’s not four. I just picked fortune 100 companies that were top of mind (I don’t walk around knowing all the black CEOs in America. I thought of Vista because the CEO paid for all the students loans for a graduating class at an HBCU recently. There are many other companies and I can not list them all for you. The level below is often where I see black in public companies. Again I can not name them all for you. I am sorry you are angry at all black people. Having said the foregoing, I really only can think of one Asian CEO at a fortune 100, I think Pepsi but until
Now I never thought about it so I am sure there are more. Can you name any?

When I googled, I had trouble finding many black CEOs.
I am not in the line of work where I have a need to know who the corporate ceos are, blacks, Asians, or whites.
But the thing about blacks is that they have been in the USA for nearly 200 years whereas many Asians are relatively recent arrivals. I think if you check Asian countries, you will not find many white or black ceos over on that side.