How can anyone believe in god when there's so much evil in the world?

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Anonymous wrote:Because heaven is not on earth. Eternal life and joy beyond our comprehension is the promise God made and he sent his son Jesus to get us there. God does not create sin in this world. That is the devil.

God created "the devil" and thus created evil.

Unless you're saying God is not all knowing or all powerful?

Or you're saying that The Devil is a God, and believe in a polytheistic system?

God created “the devil?” God created Lucifer as an angel, his most favored and beloved angel.

As with Adam and Eve, Lucifer was not content to be as he was created. He wanted to be God. He rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Lucifer is jealous that God loves humans and tries to destroy us.

But Jesus has already claimed victory and Satan will be soon driven from his place and punished.

Satan’s “victory” is temporary.

Did God not know this was going to happen, when God created Lucifer? Is God not all knowing?

Does anybody have a response to this? Is there a Biblical answer? Did God know this was going to happen, before creating Lucifer?

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Anonymous wrote:Because heaven is not on earth. Eternal life and joy beyond our comprehension is the promise God made and he sent his son Jesus to get us there. God does not create sin in this world. That is the devil.

God created "the devil" and thus created evil.

Unless you're saying God is not all knowing or all powerful?

Or you're saying that The Devil is a God, and believe in a polytheistic system?

God created “the devil?” God created Lucifer as an angel, his most favored and beloved angel.

As with Adam and Eve, Lucifer was not content to be as he was created. He wanted to be God. He rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Lucifer is jealous that God loves humans and tries to destroy us.

But Jesus has already claimed victory and Satan will be soon driven from his place and punished.

Satan’s “victory” is temporary.

Did God not know this was going to happen, when God created Lucifer? Is God not all knowing?

Does anybody have a response to this? Is there a Biblical answer? Did God know this was going to happen, before creating Lucifer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0STwJ71Zc0

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Anonymous wrote:Because heaven is not on earth. Eternal life and joy beyond our comprehension is the promise God made and he sent his son Jesus to get us there. God does not create sin in this world. That is the devil.

God created "the devil" and thus created evil.

Unless you're saying God is not all knowing or all powerful?

Or you're saying that The Devil is a God, and believe in a polytheistic system?

God created “the devil?” God created Lucifer as an angel, his most favored and beloved angel.

As with Adam and Eve, Lucifer was not content to be as he was created. He wanted to be God. He rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Lucifer is jealous that God loves humans and tries to destroy us.

But Jesus has already claimed victory and Satan will be soon driven from his place and punished.

Satan’s “victory” is temporary.

Did God not know this was going to happen, when God created Lucifer? Is God not all knowing?

Does anybody have a response to this? Is there a Biblical answer? Did God know this was going to happen, before creating Lucifer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0STwJ71Zc0

Sorry, buy I'm not watching an hour long youtube video. Can you summarize?

Can anyone of any faith offer an explanation of whether God knew what was going to happen to Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/etc? And how this pertains to God being an all-knowing being?

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Anonymous wrote:Because heaven is not on earth. Eternal life and joy beyond our comprehension is the promise God made and he sent his son Jesus to get us there. God does not create sin in this world. That is the devil.

God created "the devil" and thus created evil.

Unless you're saying God is not all knowing or all powerful?

Or you're saying that The Devil is a God, and believe in a polytheistic system?

God created “the devil?” God created Lucifer as an angel, his most favored and beloved angel.

As with Adam and Eve, Lucifer was not content to be as he was created. He wanted to be God. He rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Lucifer is jealous that God loves humans and tries to destroy us.

But Jesus has already claimed victory and Satan will be soon driven from his place and punished.

Satan’s “victory” is temporary.

Did God not know this was going to happen, when God created Lucifer? Is God not all knowing?

Does anybody have a response to this? Is there a Biblical answer? Did God know this was going to happen, before creating Lucifer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0STwJ71Zc0

Sorry, buy I'm not watching an hour long youtube video. Can you summarize?

Can anyone of any faith offer an explanation of whether God knew what was going to happen to Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/etc? And how this pertains to God being an all-knowing being?

I wish I could but my summary would fall short of this presentation. The preacher is a highly educated man with a degree philosophy from Oxford and knowledge of ancient Greek that the Bible was written in (in addition to Hebrew and Aramaic). He is extremely methodical in his approach, so my summary would fall short of his detailed explanation. I feel that nothing but a detailed explanation would be beneficial for you at this point in conversation. Meaning, speaking in generalities will not give you answers you are seeking. I highly recommend the video.

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Anonymous wrote:Because heaven is not on earth. Eternal life and joy beyond our comprehension is the promise God made and he sent his son Jesus to get us there. God does not create sin in this world. That is the devil.

God created "the devil" and thus created evil.

Unless you're saying God is not all knowing or all powerful?

Or you're saying that The Devil is a God, and believe in a polytheistic system?

God created “the devil?” God created Lucifer as an angel, his most favored and beloved angel.

As with Adam and Eve, Lucifer was not content to be as he was created. He wanted to be God. He rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Lucifer is jealous that God loves humans and tries to destroy us.

But Jesus has already claimed victory and Satan will be soon driven from his place and punished.

Satan’s “victory” is temporary.

Did God not know this was going to happen, when God created Lucifer? Is God not all knowing?

Does anybody have a response to this? Is there a Biblical answer? Did God know this was going to happen, before creating Lucifer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0STwJ71Zc0

Sorry, buy I'm not watching an hour long youtube video. Can you summarize?

Can anyone of any faith offer an explanation of whether God knew what was going to happen to Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/etc? And how this pertains to God being an all-knowing being?

Genesis 3, all is well, it seems. Genesis 1:31 says, “God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good.” God did not create anything evil. It was all very good.

Then, suddenly when chapter three opens, there is this serpent. And he is clearly evil. He is calling God’s word into question. Genesis 3:1: “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” He is devious and deceitful and destructive. God had said in Genesis 2:17, “The day that you eat of [this tree] you shall surely die.” But the serpent says in Genesis 3:4: “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Therefore, Jesus says of him in John 8:44 that he is both a liar and murderer:

He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

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Anonymous wrote:Because heaven is not on earth. Eternal life and joy beyond our comprehension is the promise God made and he sent his son Jesus to get us there. God does not create sin in this world. That is the devil.

God created "the devil" and thus created evil.

Unless you're saying God is not all knowing or all powerful?

Or you're saying that The Devil is a God, and believe in a polytheistic system?

God created “the devil?” God created Lucifer as an angel, his most favored and beloved angel.

As with Adam and Eve, Lucifer was not content to be as he was created. He wanted to be God. He rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Lucifer is jealous that God loves humans and tries to destroy us.

But Jesus has already claimed victory and Satan will be soon driven from his place and punished.

Satan’s “victory” is temporary.

Did God not know this was going to happen, when God created Lucifer? Is God not all knowing?

Does anybody have a response to this? Is there a Biblical answer? Did God know this was going to happen, before creating Lucifer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0STwJ71Zc0

Sorry, buy I'm not watching an hour long youtube video. Can you summarize?

Can anyone of any faith offer an explanation of whether God knew what was going to happen to Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/etc? And how this pertains to God being an all-knowing being?

Genesis 3, all is well, it seems. Genesis 1:31 says, “God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good.” God did not create anything evil. It was all very good.

Then, suddenly when chapter three opens, there is this serpent. And he is clearly evil. He is calling God’s word into question. Genesis 3:1: “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” He is devious and deceitful and destructive. God had said in Genesis 2:17, “The day that you eat of [this tree] you shall surely die.” But the serpent says in Genesis 3:4: “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Therefore, Jesus says of him in John 8:44 that he is both a liar and murderer:

He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

While that is truth the vide I posted is much more encompassing than that and extremely detailed and methodical. The pp is looking for detailed answers and this video provides the most detailed and methodical approach. Everything else is a guessing game.

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Anonymous wrote:Because heaven is not on earth. Eternal life and joy beyond our comprehension is the promise God made and he sent his son Jesus to get us there. God does not create sin in this world. That is the devil.

God created "the devil" and thus created evil.

Unless you're saying God is not all knowing or all powerful?

Or you're saying that The Devil is a God, and believe in a polytheistic system?

God created “the devil?” God created Lucifer as an angel, his most favored and beloved angel.

As with Adam and Eve, Lucifer was not content to be as he was created. He wanted to be God. He rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Lucifer is jealous that God loves humans and tries to destroy us.

But Jesus has already claimed victory and Satan will be soon driven from his place and punished.

Satan’s “victory” is temporary.

Did God not know this was going to happen, when God created Lucifer? Is God not all knowing?

Does anybody have a response to this? Is there a Biblical answer? Did God know this was going to happen, before creating Lucifer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0STwJ71Zc0

Sorry, buy I'm not watching an hour long youtube video. Can you summarize?

Can anyone of any faith offer an explanation of whether God knew what was going to happen to Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/etc? And how this pertains to God being an all-knowing being?

Genesis 3, all is well, it seems. Genesis 1:31 says, “God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good.” God did not create anything evil. It was all very good.

Then, suddenly when chapter three opens, there is this serpent. And he is clearly evil. He is calling God’s word into question. Genesis 3:1: “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” He is devious and deceitful and destructive. God had said in Genesis 2:17, “The day that you eat of [this tree] you shall surely die.” But the serpent says in Genesis 3:4: “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Therefore, Jesus says of him in John 8:44 that he is both a liar and murderer:

He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Are you talking about God?

Maybe I'm missing something, because it sounds like yes, God knew all this was going to happen, and made it unfold anyway. Therefore murder, evil, lies, etc are all characteristic of God, just as much as goodness and love. That makes much more sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Because heaven is not on earth. Eternal life and joy beyond our comprehension is the promise God made and he sent his son Jesus to get us there. God does not create sin in this world. That is the devil.

God created "the devil" and thus created evil.

Unless you're saying God is not all knowing or all powerful?

Or you're saying that The Devil is a God, and believe in a polytheistic system?

God created “the devil?” God created Lucifer as an angel, his most favored and beloved angel.

As with Adam and Eve, Lucifer was not content to be as he was created. He wanted to be God. He rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Lucifer is jealous that God loves humans and tries to destroy us.

But Jesus has already claimed victory and Satan will be soon driven from his place and punished.

Satan’s “victory” is temporary.

Did God not know this was going to happen, when God created Lucifer? Is God not all knowing?

Does anybody have a response to this? Is there a Biblical answer? Did God know this was going to happen, before creating Lucifer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0STwJ71Zc0

Sorry, buy I'm not watching an hour long youtube video. Can you summarize?

Can anyone of any faith offer an explanation of whether God knew what was going to happen to Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/etc? And how this pertains to God being an all-knowing being?

Genesis 3, all is well, it seems. Genesis 1:31 says, “God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good.” God did not create anything evil. It was all very good.

Then, suddenly when chapter three opens, there is this serpent. And he is clearly evil. He is calling God’s word into question. Genesis 3:1: “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” He is devious and deceitful and destructive. God had said in Genesis 2:17, “The day that you eat of [this tree] you shall surely die.” But the serpent says in Genesis 3:4: “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Therefore, Jesus says of him in John 8:44 that he is both a liar and murderer:

He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Are you talking about God?

Maybe I'm missing something, because it sounds like yes, God knew all this was going to happen, and made it unfold anyway. Therefore murder, evil, lies, etc are all characteristic of God, just as much as goodness and love. That makes much more sense.

You are on Religion forum. You present yourself as a curious person that thinks and reads a lot. Can you show some decency and stop offending God in front of believers? It is highly offensive. If you cannot restrain yourself please go to atheist forums that were suggested to you. Insults are common and welcome there.

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Anonymous wrote:Because heaven is not on earth. Eternal life and joy beyond our comprehension is the promise God made and he sent his son Jesus to get us there. God does not create sin in this world. That is the devil.

God created "the devil" and thus created evil.

Unless you're saying God is not all knowing or all powerful?

Or you're saying that The Devil is a God, and believe in a polytheistic system?

God created “the devil?” God created Lucifer as an angel, his most favored and beloved angel.

As with Adam and Eve, Lucifer was not content to be as he was created. He wanted to be God. He rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Lucifer is jealous that God loves humans and tries to destroy us.

But Jesus has already claimed victory and Satan will be soon driven from his place and punished.

Satan’s “victory” is temporary.

Did God not know this was going to happen, when God created Lucifer? Is God not all knowing?

Does anybody have a response to this? Is there a Biblical answer? Did God know this was going to happen, before creating Lucifer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0STwJ71Zc0

Sorry, buy I'm not watching an hour long youtube video. Can you summarize?

Can anyone of any faith offer an explanation of whether God knew what was going to happen to Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/etc? And how this pertains to God being an all-knowing being?

Genesis 3, all is well, it seems. Genesis 1:31 says, “God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good.” God did not create anything evil. It was all very good.

Then, suddenly when chapter three opens, there is this serpent. And he is clearly evil. He is calling God’s word into question. Genesis 3:1: “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” He is devious and deceitful and destructive. God had said in Genesis 2:17, “The day that you eat of [this tree] you shall surely die.” But the serpent says in Genesis 3:4: “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Therefore, Jesus says of him in John 8:44 that he is both a liar and murderer:

He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Are you talking about God?

Maybe I'm missing something, because it sounds like yes, God knew all this was going to happen, and made it unfold anyway. Therefore murder, evil, lies, etc are all characteristic of God, just as much as goodness and love. That makes much more sense.

God is not the creator of evil and suffering.

This answers the question you hear so often: "Why didn't God merely create a world where tragedy and suffering didn't exist?" The answer is: He did! Genesis 1:31 says: "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good."

But if God is not the author of tragedy or evil or death, where did they come from? Well, God has existed from eternity past as the Father, Son and Spirit, together in a relationship of perfect love. So love is the highest value in the universe. And when God decided to create human beings, he wanted us to experience love. But to give us the ability to love, God had to give us free will to decide whether to love or not to love. Why? Because love always involves a choice.

When my daughter was little, she had a doll with a string in the back, and when you pulled it the doll said, "I love you." Did that doll love my daughter? Of course not. It was programmed to say those words. Real love always involves a choice.

So in order for us to experience love, God bestowed on us free will. But unfortunately, we humans have abused our free will by rejecting God and walking away from him. And that has resulted in the introduction of evil into the world.

Some people ask, "Couldn't God have foreseen all of this?" and no doubt he did. But look at it this way. Many of you are parents. Even before you had children, couldn't you foresee that there was the very real possibility they may suffer disappointment or pain or heartache in life, or that they might even hurt you and walk away from you? Of course—but you still had kids. Why? Because you knew there was also the potential for tremendous joy and deep love and great meaning.

God knew we'd rebel against him, but he also knew many people would choose to follow him and have a relationship with him and spend eternity in heaven with him. And it was all worth it for that, even though it would cost his son great pain and suffering to achieve our redemption. So as we ponder the mystery of pain and evil, we need to be mindful that God did not create them.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/pastors/2012/july-online-only/doesgodallowtragedy.html

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Anonymous wrote:Because heaven is not on earth. Eternal life and joy beyond our comprehension is the promise God made and he sent his son Jesus to get us there. God does not create sin in this world. That is the devil.

God created "the devil" and thus created evil.

Unless you're saying God is not all knowing or all powerful?

Or you're saying that The Devil is a God, and believe in a polytheistic system?

God created “the devil?” God created Lucifer as an angel, his most favored and beloved angel.

As with Adam and Eve, Lucifer was not content to be as he was created. He wanted to be God. He rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Lucifer is jealous that God loves humans and tries to destroy us.

But Jesus has already claimed victory and Satan will be soon driven from his place and punished.

Satan’s “victory” is temporary.

Did God not know this was going to happen, when God created Lucifer? Is God not all knowing?

Does anybody have a response to this? Is there a Biblical answer? Did God know this was going to happen, before creating Lucifer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0STwJ71Zc0

Sorry, buy I'm not watching an hour long youtube video. Can you summarize?

Can anyone of any faith offer an explanation of whether God knew what was going to happen to Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/etc? And how this pertains to God being an all-knowing being?

Genesis 3, all is well, it seems. Genesis 1:31 says, “God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good.” God did not create anything evil. It was all very good.

Then, suddenly when chapter three opens, there is this serpent. And he is clearly evil. He is calling God’s word into question. Genesis 3:1: “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” He is devious and deceitful and destructive. God had said in Genesis 2:17, “The day that you eat of [this tree] you shall surely die.” But the serpent says in Genesis 3:4: “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Therefore, Jesus says of him in John 8:44 that he is both a liar and murderer:

He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Are you talking about God?

Maybe I'm missing something, because it sounds like yes, God knew all this was going to happen, and made it unfold anyway. Therefore murder, evil, lies, etc are all characteristic of God, just as much as goodness and love. That makes much more sense.

The serpent

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Anonymous wrote:Because heaven is not on earth. Eternal life and joy beyond our comprehension is the promise God made and he sent his son Jesus to get us there. God does not create sin in this world. That is the devil.

God created "the devil" and thus created evil.

Unless you're saying God is not all knowing or all powerful?

Or you're saying that The Devil is a God, and believe in a polytheistic system?

God created “the devil?” God created Lucifer as an angel, his most favored and beloved angel.

As with Adam and Eve, Lucifer was not content to be as he was created. He wanted to be God. He rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Lucifer is jealous that God loves humans and tries to destroy us.

But Jesus has already claimed victory and Satan will be soon driven from his place and punished.

Satan’s “victory” is temporary.

Did God not know this was going to happen, when God created Lucifer? Is God not all knowing?

Does anybody have a response to this? Is there a Biblical answer? Did God know this was going to happen, before creating Lucifer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0STwJ71Zc0

Sorry, buy I'm not watching an hour long youtube video. Can you summarize?

Can anyone of any faith offer an explanation of whether God knew what was going to happen to Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/etc? And how this pertains to God being an all-knowing being?

Genesis 3, all is well, it seems. Genesis 1:31 says, “God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good.” God did not create anything evil. It was all very good.

Then, suddenly when chapter three opens, there is this serpent. And he is clearly evil. He is calling God’s word into question. Genesis 3:1: “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” He is devious and deceitful and destructive. God had said in Genesis 2:17, “The day that you eat of [this tree] you shall surely die.” But the serpent says in Genesis 3:4: “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Therefore, Jesus says of him in John 8:44 that he is both a liar and murderer:

He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Are you talking about God?

Maybe I'm missing something, because it sounds like yes, God knew all this was going to happen, and made it unfold anyway. Therefore murder, evil, lies, etc are all characteristic of God, just as much as goodness and love. That makes much more sense.

You are on Religion forum. You present yourself as a curious person that thinks and reads a lot. Can you show some decency and stop offending God in front of believers? It is highly offensive. If you cannot restrain yourself please go to atheist forums that were suggested to you. Insults are common and welcome there.

For crying out loud, it's an honest question. Don't assume the worst in people who ask questions. If you can't respond, then don't.

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Anonymous wrote:For crying out loud, it's an honest question. Don't assume the worst in people who ask questions. If you can't respond, then don't.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:Because heaven is not on earth. Eternal life and joy beyond our comprehension is the promise God made and he sent his son Jesus to get us there. God does not create sin in this world. That is the devil.

God created "the devil" and thus created evil.

Unless you're saying God is not all knowing or all powerful?

Or you're saying that The Devil is a God, and believe in a polytheistic system?

God created “the devil?” God created Lucifer as an angel, his most favored and beloved angel.

As with Adam and Eve, Lucifer was not content to be as he was created. He wanted to be God. He rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Lucifer is jealous that God loves humans and tries to destroy us.

But Jesus has already claimed victory and Satan will be soon driven from his place and punished.

Satan’s “victory” is temporary.

Did God not know this was going to happen, when God created Lucifer? Is God not all knowing?

Does anybody have a response to this? Is there a Biblical answer? Did God know this was going to happen, before creating Lucifer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0STwJ71Zc0

Sorry, buy I'm not watching an hour long youtube video. Can you summarize?

Can anyone of any faith offer an explanation of whether God knew what was going to happen to Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/etc? And how this pertains to God being an all-knowing being?

Genesis 3, all is well, it seems. Genesis 1:31 says, “God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good.” God did not create anything evil. It was all very good.

Then, suddenly when chapter three opens, there is this serpent. And he is clearly evil. He is calling God’s word into question. Genesis 3:1: “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” He is devious and deceitful and destructive. God had said in Genesis 2:17, “The day that you eat of [this tree] you shall surely die.” But the serpent says in Genesis 3:4: “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Therefore, Jesus says of him in John 8:44 that he is both a liar and murderer:

He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Are you talking about God?

Maybe I'm missing something, because it sounds like yes, God knew all this was going to happen, and made it unfold anyway. Therefore murder, evil, lies, etc are all characteristic of God, just as much as goodness and love. That makes much more sense.

God is not the creator of evil and suffering.

This answers the question you hear so often: "Why didn't God merely create a world where tragedy and suffering didn't exist?" The answer is: He did! Genesis 1:31 says: "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good."

But if God is not the author of tragedy or evil or death, where did they come from? Well, God has existed from eternity past as the Father, Son and Spirit, together in a relationship of perfect love. So love is the highest value in the universe. And when God decided to create human beings, he wanted us to experience love. But to give us the ability to love, God had to give us free will to decide whether to love or not to love. Why? Because love always involves a choice.

When my daughter was little, she had a doll with a string in the back, and when you pulled it the doll said, "I love you." Did that doll love my daughter? Of course not. It was programmed to say those words. Real love always involves a choice.

So in order for us to experience love, God bestowed on us free will. But unfortunately, we humans have abused our free will by rejecting God and walking away from him. And that has resulted in the introduction of evil into the world.

Some people ask, "Couldn't God have foreseen all of this?" and no doubt he did. But look at it this way. Many of you are parents. Even before you had children, couldn't you foresee that there was the very real possibility they may suffer disappointment or pain or heartache in life, or that they might even hurt you and walk away from you? Of course—but you still had kids. Why? Because you knew there was also the potential for tremendous joy and deep love and great meaning.

God knew we'd rebel against him, but he also knew many people would choose to follow him and have a relationship with him and spend eternity in heaven with him. And it was all worth it for that, even though it would cost his son great pain and suffering to achieve our redemption. So as we ponder the mystery of pain and evil, we need to be mindful that God did not create them.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/pastors/2012/july-online-only/doesgodallowtragedy.html

Thank you for the explanation. I understand this with regards to "free will," but what about suffering without choice? Disease? Children getting cancer? Natural disasters (while intensified due to humans and climate change, always existed to a degree). Is God also the God of disease and pain, as well as health? Drought and starvation, as well as vitality and bounty? Why or why not?

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Anonymous wrote:Because heaven is not on earth. Eternal life and joy beyond our comprehension is the promise God made and he sent his son Jesus to get us there. God does not create sin in this world. That is the devil.

God created "the devil" and thus created evil.

Unless you're saying God is not all knowing or all powerful?

Or you're saying that The Devil is a God, and believe in a polytheistic system?

God created “the devil?” God created Lucifer as an angel, his most favored and beloved angel.

As with Adam and Eve, Lucifer was not content to be as he was created. He wanted to be God. He rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Lucifer is jealous that God loves humans and tries to destroy us.

But Jesus has already claimed victory and Satan will be soon driven from his place and punished.

Satan’s “victory” is temporary.

Did God not know this was going to happen, when God created Lucifer? Is God not all knowing?

Does anybody have a response to this? Is there a Biblical answer? Did God know this was going to happen, before creating Lucifer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0STwJ71Zc0

Sorry, buy I'm not watching an hour long youtube video. Can you summarize?

Can anyone of any faith offer an explanation of whether God knew what was going to happen to Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/etc? And how this pertains to God being an all-knowing being?

Genesis 3, all is well, it seems. Genesis 1:31 says, “God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good.” God did not create anything evil. It was all very good.

Then, suddenly when chapter three opens, there is this serpent. And he is clearly evil. He is calling God’s word into question. Genesis 3:1: “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” He is devious and deceitful and destructive. God had said in Genesis 2:17, “The day that you eat of [this tree] you shall surely die.” But the serpent says in Genesis 3:4: “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Therefore, Jesus says of him in John 8:44 that he is both a liar and murderer:

He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Are you talking about God?

Maybe I'm missing something, because it sounds like yes, God knew all this was going to happen, and made it unfold anyway. Therefore murder, evil, lies, etc are all characteristic of God, just as much as goodness and love. That makes much more sense.

You are on Religion forum. You present yourself as a curious person that thinks and reads a lot. Can you show some decency and stop offending God in front of believers? It is highly offensive. If you cannot restrain yourself please go to atheist forums that were suggested to you. Insults are common and welcome there.

For crying out loud, it's an honest question. Don't assume the worst in people who ask questions. If you can't respond, then don't.

I followed the thread from the start. The pp is not satisfied with any learning material we provide him with. His goal is not to learn. His goal is to discredit the Christianity. It's also a form of mental masturbation to be going around in circles. He has proven that after 20+ pages. If I wanted to learn about Hindusim I would read/listen to materials that Hinduu believers would supply.

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Anonymous wrote:Because heaven is not on earth. Eternal life and joy beyond our comprehension is the promise God made and he sent his son Jesus to get us there. God does not create sin in this world. That is the devil.

God created "the devil" and thus created evil.

Unless you're saying God is not all knowing or all powerful?

Or you're saying that The Devil is a God, and believe in a polytheistic system?

God created “the devil?” God created Lucifer as an angel, his most favored and beloved angel.

As with Adam and Eve, Lucifer was not content to be as he was created. He wanted to be God. He rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Lucifer is jealous that God loves humans and tries to destroy us.

But Jesus has already claimed victory and Satan will be soon driven from his place and punished.

Satan’s “victory” is temporary.

Did God not know this was going to happen, when God created Lucifer? Is God not all knowing?

Does anybody have a response to this? Is there a Biblical answer? Did God know this was going to happen, before creating Lucifer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0STwJ71Zc0

Sorry, buy I'm not watching an hour long youtube video. Can you summarize?

Can anyone of any faith offer an explanation of whether God knew what was going to happen to Lucifer/Satan/Shaytan/etc? And how this pertains to God being an all-knowing being?

Genesis 3, all is well, it seems. Genesis 1:31 says, “God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good.” God did not create anything evil. It was all very good.

Then, suddenly when chapter three opens, there is this serpent. And he is clearly evil. He is calling God’s word into question. Genesis 3:1: “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” He is devious and deceitful and destructive. God had said in Genesis 2:17, “The day that you eat of [this tree] you shall surely die.” But the serpent says in Genesis 3:4: “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Therefore, Jesus says of him in John 8:44 that he is both a liar and murderer:

He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Are you talking about God?

Maybe I'm missing something, because it sounds like yes, God knew all this was going to happen, and made it unfold anyway. Therefore murder, evil, lies, etc are all characteristic of God, just as much as goodness and love. That makes much more sense.

You are on Religion forum. You present yourself as a curious person that thinks and reads a lot. Can you show some decency and stop offending God in front of believers? It is highly offensive. If you cannot restrain yourself please go to atheist forums that were suggested to you. Insults are common and welcome there.

For crying out loud, it's an honest question. Don't assume the worst in people who ask questions. If you can't respond, then don't.

I followed the thread from the start. The pp is not satisfied with any learning material we provide him with. His goal is not to learn. His goal is to discredit the Christianity. It's also a form of mental masturbation to be going around in circles. He has proven that after 20+ pages. If I wanted to learn about Hindusim I would read/listen to materials that Hinduu believers would supply.

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I am a she, not a he.

I asked about feedback from all religions with regards to this question, not just Christianity. I'm sorry you have trouble trusting people who have sincere questions.