Tenley Chick Filet takes measures against loitering after school by students, including Wilson

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that I would be at the metro station all the time since 2015. I do not know what these posters are talking about. Sure there are a bunch of teens, some of them shoving each other, some of them swearing, and some of them were buying food from the nearby stores. This is not a situation that was dangerous or menacing at all. I don't know how these NW DC posters know that they're OOB (I suspect they assume black=OOB), but there is no "dangerous" situation. I think the real issue is that these NW DC types (not all people from NWDC, just the racist PPs here), feel like they paid a lot of money to live in a white part of town and they would love to ensure no blacks "ruin their mornings and afternoons".

- former white NWDC resident

No one's talking about race except for people, like you, who are offering knee-jerk defense to all wrongdoing, and accusing anyone who opposes the wrongdoing of being racist.

If it's a lily-white kid from a million-dollar home who's throwing rocks and getting into fights on the sidewalk, he ought to be disciplined. If the kid is Latino, he ought to be disciplined. If he's black, he ought to be disciplined. Wrongdoing is wrongdoing, no matter the skin color of the wrongdoer.

You make it harder to address real issues of racism when you falsely paint anyone who disagrees with you as racist. So stop it.

Well said. We need to stop throwing "racism" around so casually, it devalues the meaning of the word. These kids know right from wrong, they simply choose wrong.

I'll stop calling you racist if you explain to me how you know that these kids are out of bounds.

I can't speak for the other people calling you racist.

I noticed all the white people who claim that race is "not a part of this" skirted this question. Because it is clear that race is CLEARLY playing a role. But you can keep acting like you're "concerned" when we know the real issue. You're disgusting.

I addressed it directly. I don't know or care whether they're in bounds or not. I don't care what their race is.

Now you answer my questions: Why are you so focused on their race? Why do you excuse the bad behavior?

I'm not excusing their bad behavior- I just think you're exaggerating. You may now be saying you don't care if they're OOB or not (because someone called you out) but earlier nearly every post suggested returning them to their inbounds. Because of course only "good kids" live inbounds. You want to eat your hate chicken and Panera in peace- I get that. But you chose to live in a neighborhood with a high school- a desirable school to many. The positive is that your home values are high because of the good school, but you don't want the downside which is teenagers acting like teenagers. I've been there and not seen anything like you're describing. You're a racist- own it!

Well said and agreed - the folks in this thread (though I suspect it is one person) who keep insisting it is not about race then make a bunch of insinuations that suggest it is about nothing but race as if going after OOB kids isn't code for AA kids.

How many of the folks who keep making that point are aware that the group MPD suspects of dealing Heroin in the neighborhood for the last 5 years (and allegedly at a bunch of other mostly affluent local high schools) is a group of white kids from AU Park who ride around the neighborhood on skateboards?

This is a silly thread at this point - I walk through TT twice a day taking my kids to Janney at the same time all the Wilson kids are all out and about and very rarely see the behavior that so many others seem to see (or more likely imagine) every day. We even go into Chic-fil-a for an occassional after school treat of a lemonade or ice cream and I've never had any issues with the Wilson kids who crowd the restaurant at the same time we are there.

I even remember the person who made the rock throwing allegation last spring because I was in TT that day on the exact corner at the exact time this supposed long duration incident happened and saw no such thing.

As a parent with young kids I'm far far more concerned about all of the aggressive driving I see every day from MD commuters and was almost hit the other day crossing the exit from the CVS parking lot by an obnoxious woman from MD in a white SUV with an NPS sticker on the back who was on her phone (with kids in the back!) and who didn't want to yield to us and accelerated to beat us to the driveway even though we were half way across.

And by the way, I never said it was a long incident. I said it was a long string of incidents. I happened to be walking in the same direction and got the full effect, but they were on the move. Do you think this one group blocked traffic for 15-20 minutes? That's called a demonstration. No, they did it for 1-2, but the woman looked so rattled at the wheel and they could have caused an accident. This behavior is difficult to stop because it is quick and random. However, it is also predictable within the time frame of when large groups of students let out . It's the cummulative effect (and the fact that some is actually criminal) that's annoying to residents. A community policing officer and efforts from parents and admin to deliver a message about civics would be the best response . But thanks for your thoughts.

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NP. I still don't understand how so many posters can say these kids are OOB. If you're referring to the ones on the metro, I'd remind them that there are IB kids that attend Wilson from other metros, SW was zoned to Wilson and those kids are still in Wilson.

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I'm not excusing their bad behavior- I just think you're exaggerating. You may now be saying you don't care if they're OOB or not (because someone called you out) but earlier nearly every post suggested returning them to their inbounds. Because of course only "good kids" live inbounds. You want to eat your hate chicken and Panera in peace- I get that. But you chose to live in a neighborhood with a high school- a desirable school to many. The positive is that your home values are high because of the good school, but you don't want the downside which is teenagers acting like teenagers. I've been there and not seen anything like you're describing. You're a racist- own it!

Oh man, I *love* the hate chicken, it is DELICIOUS!!

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I still don't understand how so many posters can say these kids are OOB. If you're referring to the ones on the metro, I'd remind them that there are IB kids that attend Wilson from other metros, SW was zoned to Wilson and those kids are still in Wilson.

The OOB talk is just a red herring to try to change the discussion to race (which is NOT what it's really about).

The real discussion IMHO is about whether and how the community should respond to bad acts by Wilson students ... regardless of where they live or what color their skin might be. If we all can agree that bad behavior should be addressed, then the race and OOB issues fall by the wayside.

Can we all agree bad behavior by Wilson students in the Tenleytown area ought to be addressed? I've read some posts by people here who seem to think it's all made-up, or that teen behavior should be excused. Are those people saying events like rock throwing, spitting on adults, fighting, and shoplifting are crimes that should be ignored?

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious- did Wilson and Deal open recently? No right? So it seems that all the poor pearl-clutchers on the Cleveland Park listserv and here were on notice that there was a high
School and middle school nearby. Also I'm pretty sure that if you ARE zoned for Deal/Wilson you make an enormous deal about it because it's a boost to your home price. So take the good with the bad and suck it up. FWIW, I have never met ruder people in my life than the aging boomers of NW DC.

You people are acting like Wilson and Deal opened last year against your will.

They don't object to students, they object to AA students who they assume are from other parts of the city and don't belong in their neighborhood school.

Always keeping it classy NW DC

They object to the obnoxious thuggish behavior of a few students who are bad enough to make the Tenleytown area downright unpleasant on some days when school gets out.

I like how they would RUIN the life of a child by expelling them from the best high school DC has to offer to send them to a vastly inferior high school because their shopping experience at Tenley is "downright unpleasant".

How do you live with yourself?

Wilson is the best high school DC has to offer? I don't care what the IB school is (could be Eastern, btw, which isn't that bad), OOB is a privilege, not a right. If they don't want to RUIN their lives, they need to not ruin other people's mornings and afternoons.

I just want to point out that I would be at the metro station all the time since 2015. I do not know what these posters are talking about. Sure there are a bunch of teens, some of them shoving each other, some of them swearing, and some of them were buying food from the nearby stores. This is not a situation that was dangerous or menacing at all. I don't know how these NW DC posters know that they're OOB (I suspect they assume black=OOB), but there is no "dangerous" situation. I think the real issue is that these NW DC types (not all people from NWDC, just the racist PPs here), feel like they paid a lot of money to live in a white part of town and they would love to ensure no blacks "ruin their mornings and afternoons".

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Northwest types? You don't know me, you don't know my story and it is bigotry for you to assume because I am white in live in NW that I am a bad person. There is a dangerous situation and it is being ignore by liberals such as yourself who create these social experiments and then walk away leaving those of us still there to take care of it. I have enough on my plate with a job and family of my own to not be responsible for a kid whose parents is forty or so minutes away thereby not being able to take care of their own kid and teach them not to intimidate others, not to be rude and to treat others the way you would like to be treated. These are lessons I have taught my children since they were two, and have repeated every time it needed reinforcement. Maybe in your next social experiment you should find a way to make sure these kids parents are around to discipline their own children to teach them how to behave like decent citizens. I truly dislike self righteous people like yourself. Now go ride the subway.

How do you know they live 40 minutes away?

How do you know the parents can't take care of their own kid?

Is it because they're black? Please, explain how you know all these facts about these kids.

Duh? Because their kids our causing havoc and their parents are not around to teach them better. And yes, it is my experience that these kids are black, it is the truth, whether you like it or not you racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious- did Wilson and Deal open recently? No right? So it seems that all the poor pearl-clutchers on the Cleveland Park listserv and here were on notice that there was a high
School and middle school nearby. Also I'm pretty sure that if you ARE zoned for Deal/Wilson you make an enormous deal about it because it's a boost to your home price. So take the good with the bad and suck it up. FWIW, I have never met ruder people in my life than the aging boomers of NW DC.

You people are acting like Wilson and Deal opened last year against your will.

AMEN. The most entitled bunch of crotchety jerks I've come across.

+1 million.

And they are the people who "pay the taxes and obey the laws." They don't want not-infrequent mayhem in their community caused by a relatively small but mendacious group of Wilson students. Why should it be so difficult to address this problem?

+ a million or two.

Let the mayhem-lovers live with the mayhem-doers.

Wilson (like most DCPS high schools) is a neighborhood school. If someone prefers to behave according to the rules of some parallel universe, why should they get privileged access to said (or any) neighborhood school.

They're acting like teenagers. You're acting like crotchety jerks. It seems like you both deserve each other.

Oh and using $6 words like "mendacious" doesn't distract from your uninformed, racist arguments.

Since when is behavior like jumping on cars, shoving pedestrians, shoplifting, spitting, and hurling obscene (and sometimes racial) invective at passerby just "acting like teenagers"? Perhaps in some urban dystopia, but should that really be the low bar for Tenleytown?

+1.

But, that seems to define DC for some old provincials.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to point out that I would be at the metro station all the time since 2015. I do not know what these posters are talking about. Sure there are a bunch of teens, some of them shoving each other, some of them swearing, and some of them were buying food from the nearby stores. This is not a situation that was dangerous or menacing at all. I don't know how these NW DC posters know that they're OOB (I suspect they assume black=OOB), but there is no "dangerous" situation. I think the real issue is that these NW DC types (not all people from NWDC, just the racist PPs here), feel like they paid a lot of money to live in a white part of town and they would love to ensure no blacks "ruin their mornings and afternoons".

- former white NWDC resident

No one's talking about race except for people, like you, who are offering knee-jerk defense to all wrongdoing, and accusing anyone who opposes the wrongdoing of being racist.

If it's a lily-white kid from a million-dollar home who's throwing rocks and getting into fights on the sidewalk, he ought to be disciplined. If the kid is Latino, he ought to be disciplined. If he's black, he ought to be disciplined. Wrongdoing is wrongdoing, no matter the skin color of the wrongdoer.

You make it harder to address real issues of racism when you falsely paint anyone who disagrees with you as racist. So stop it.

Well said. We need to stop throwing "racism" around so casually, it devalues the meaning of the word. These kids know right from wrong, they simply choose wrong.

I'll stop calling you racist if you explain to me how you know that these kids are out of bounds.

I can't speak for the other people calling you racist.

I noticed all the white people who claim that race is "not a part of this" skirted this question. Because it is clear that race is CLEARLY playing a role. But you can keep acting like you're "concerned" when we know the real issue. You're disgusting.

I addressed it directly. I don't know or care whether they're in bounds or not. I don't care what their race is.

Now you answer my questions: Why are you so focused on their race? Why do you excuse the bad behavior?

I'm not excusing their bad behavior- I just think you're exaggerating. You may now be saying you don't care if they're OOB or not (because someone called you out) but earlier nearly every post suggested returning them to their inbounds. Because of course only "good kids" live inbounds. You want to eat your hate chicken and Panera in peace- I get that. But you chose to live in a neighborhood with a high school- a desirable school to many. The positive is that your home values are high because of the good school, but you don't want the downside which is teenagers acting like teenagers. I've been there and not seen anything like you're describing. You're a racist- own it!

Well said and agreed - the folks in this thread (though I suspect it is one person) who keep insisting it is not about race then make a bunch of insinuations that suggest it is about nothing but race as if going after OOB kids isn't code for AA kids.

How many of the folks who keep making that point are aware that the group MPD suspects of dealing Heroin in the neighborhood for the last 5 years (and allegedly at a bunch of other mostly affluent local high schools) is a group of white kids from AU Park who ride around the neighborhood on skateboards?

This is a silly thread at this point - I walk through TT twice a day taking my kids to Janney at the same time all the Wilson kids are all out and about and very rarely see the behavior that so many others seem to see (or more likely imagine) every day. We even go into Chic-fil-a for an occassional after school treat of a lemonade or ice cream and I've never had any issues with the Wilson kids who crowd the restaurant at the same time we are there.

I even remember the person who made the rock throwing allegation last spring because I was in TT that day on the exact corner at the exact time this supposed long duration incident happened and saw no such thing.

As a parent with young kids I'm far far more concerned about all of the aggressive driving I see every day from MD commuters and was almost hit the other day crossing the exit from the CVS parking lot by an obnoxious woman from MD in a white SUV with an NPS sticker on the back who was on her phone (with kids in the back!) and who didn't want to yield to us and accelerated to beat us to the driveway even though we were half way across.

It happened. It was three children. One was carrying a long poster. They also stood in the middle of the street blocking traffic and calling out to confused and faltering drivers, "what are you going to do? Knock me over? Yeah, I thought so!"..I cant remember what time it was now, but do know that with after school classes different streams of children release at different times. Spring seems particularly congested as the weather gets nice. If it is quieter these days, awesome.thats a good thing but doesn't prove an point you're trying to make. Nor does claiming you didn't see rock throwing so it couldn't have happened. How absurd. I haven't posted here in weeks but find your efforts to conflate everyone's witnesings and responses sort of irresponsible.

Uh huh sure - you haven't posted here in weeks yet the rock throwing incident is referenced in the first person up thread and you responded immediately when called out about this. But you are not paying attention to the discussion nor playing a role in driving it.

Look you (or someone) posted a very detailed description shortly after the alleged rock throwing incident and it is not a coincidence because I'm there at that time every day but I was in fact there at the very intersection when this person alleged this incident happened. So maybe it did happen that day and I missed or maybe the duration of the incident was exaggerated but in any case in 4 years of being in TT at that time of day I've never seen a similar incident.

FWIW although I'm really not that concerned about the behavior in TT (as referenced in my earlier post from late last night) I have seen some really ugly things that did clearly cross the line into harassment and criminal behavior and do believe the police have a responsibility to take appropriate enforcement action against those folks.

But as I wrote last night I'm in TT twice a day at the same time as the Wilson students and have not seen even a fraction of the behavior that is alleged in this thread (and earlier ones) and it is clear to me that there are racial overtones in a lot of the objections and concerns expressed here.

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In the short term, it sounds like there needs to be an increased police presence in the area, with the goal of making sure everyone keeps the peace (not to make arrests or escalate).

On a larger scale, it makes me wonder why or how these kids have so much time on their hands. Are they not being challenged enough academically or physically? I grew up in an "urban" area with gang violence and poverty. Loitering happened, but it wasn't frequent. Most kids were engaged in some kind of sport or organized activity after school. Even the kids who weren't busy in school would need to go to work after school... .even work considered illegal. By the time thats over, you need to get home or to the library to complete school work. Or help out at home with family or chores. It just seems like these kids have too much time on their hands.

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Anonymous wrote:In the short term, it sounds like there needs to be an increased police presence in the area, with the goal of making sure everyone keeps the peace (not to make arrests or escalate).

On a larger scale, it makes me wonder why or how these kids have so much time on their hands. Are they not being challenged enough academically or physically? I grew up in an "urban" area with gang violence and poverty. Loitering happened, but it wasn't frequent. Most kids were engaged in some kind of sport or organized activity after school. Even the kids who weren't busy in school would need to go to work after school... .even work considered illegal. By the time thats over, you need to get home or to the library to complete school work. Or help out at home with family or chores. It just seems like these kids have too much time on their hands.

19 pages of non-stop whining and its the kids who have too much time on their hands

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Anonymous wrote:In the short term, it sounds like there needs to be an increased police presence in the area, with the goal of making sure everyone keeps the peace (not to make arrests or escalate).

On a larger scale, it makes me wonder why or how these kids have so much time on their hands. Are they not being challenged enough academically or physically? I grew up in an "urban" area with gang violence and poverty. Loitering happened, but it wasn't frequent. Most kids were engaged in some kind of sport or organized activity after school. Even the kids who weren't busy in school would need to go to work after school... .even work considered illegal. By the time thats over, you need to get home or to the library to complete school work. Or help out at home with family or chores. It just seems like these kids have too much time on their hands.

Actually there is a highly visible police presence every day during the AM and PM crush - both MPD and Metro Police are in multiple locations.

And the problems (to the extent that there are problems) are happening right around the start and end of the school day. There are not thousands of kids out wilding for hours in TT every day - a lot of kids in fact just go home when the school day is done and there are lingering groups 30 minutes after school lets out but it is not as if there are 2000 OOB kids standing in front of Chic-fil-a throwing rocks at motorists until 8PM every night.

By 4PM most of the kids are gone but no doubt some posters on here would prefer the "OOB" crowd was somehow herded into an underground tunnel and whisked out of the neighborhood without ever been seen.

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OMG -- didn't that one alleged rock incident happen over a year ago hours after school had let out? Seriously, lady, if it happens again sometime in the next few years, wave down the MPD.

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Anonymous wrote:In the short term, it sounds like there needs to be an increased police presence in the area, with the goal of making sure everyone keeps the peace (not to make arrests or escalate).

On a larger scale, it makes me wonder why or how these kids have so much time on their hands. Are they not being challenged enough academically or physically? I grew up in an "urban" area with gang violence and poverty. Loitering happened, but it wasn't frequent. Most kids were engaged in some kind of sport or organized activity after school. Even the kids who weren't busy in school would need to go to work after school... .even work considered illegal. By the time thats over, you need to get home or to the library to complete school work. Or help out at home with family or chores. It just seems like these kids have too much time on their hands.

19 pages of non-stop whining and its the kids who have too much time on their hands

Point taken. Based on PPs comments, it appears there is a bit of an over reaction going. Same with Chick-fil-a. It costs very little to hire a security guard for a few hours a week.

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Anonymous wrote:In the short term, it sounds like there needs to be an increased police presence in the area, with the goal of making sure everyone keeps the peace (not to make arrests or escalate).

On a larger scale, it makes me wonder why or how these kids have so much time on their hands. Are they not being challenged enough academically or physically? I grew up in an "urban" area with gang violence and poverty. Loitering happened, but it wasn't frequent. Most kids were engaged in some kind of sport or organized activity after school. Even the kids who weren't busy in school would need to go to work after school... .even work considered illegal. By the time thats over, you need to get home or to the library to complete school work. Or help out at home with family or chores. It just seems like these kids have too much time on their hands.

Actually there is a highly visible police presence every day during the AM and PM crush - both MPD and Metro Police are in multiple locations.

And the problems (to the extent that there are problems) are happening right around the start and end of the school day. There are not thousands of kids out wilding for hours in TT every day - a lot of kids in fact just go home when the school day is done and there are lingering groups 30 minutes after school lets out but it is not as if there are 2000 OOB kids standing in front of Chic-fil-a throwing rocks at motorists until 8PM every night.

By 4PM most of the kids are gone but no doubt some posters on here would prefer the "OOB" crowd was somehow herded into an underground tunnel and whisked out of the neighborhood without ever been seen.

This is an excellent and fair comment. Definitely agree that many posters on here (who totally aren't racist!! They swear!!) would prefer that underground tunnel for the "thuggish OOB students".