Heads should roll on this horrendous issue

[jsteele]

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jsteele wrote:

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jsteele wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion has devolved pretty quickly into Obama's muslim roots. The gist is...leadership both in the military and the current administration have responsibility for this and is compounding it by punishing those who are brave enough to whistleblow and speak up.

"Devolved into Obama's muslim roots" - That totally proves that this is is a purely partisan attack masquerading as concern for those kids. It's disgusting that the right wingers would put a partisan attack ahead of genuine concern about human rights.

Not quite - they are linked, in that our President is allowing these Marines to be criminalized, yet finds the time to come to the immediate defense others, including Bergdahl. Many of us want to know why.

Silly me. I thought the issue was child rape. Obviously, attacking Obama is much more important.

Can you answer why Obama has not weighed in on this issue? He is commander-in-chief, after all. Correct me if I'm wrong and he has weighed in on this issue, like he did Bergdahl.

Perhaps he is a bit busy with the Pope at the moment and the coming arrival of Chinese President Xi Jinping? Personally, I am less interested in him "weighing in" and more interested in seeing major policy changes aimed at reducing, if not eliminating, child rape.

You're not going to get that by punishing those that try to stop it on our bases. He's clearly uninterested in doing so, given he'd rather go after our own boys.

He wasn't too busy to tweet Ahmed, the boy who didn't make a clock.

I want more than a tweet. BTW, I just sat down at the Steve Earle show. Let's see what he has to say about current events.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This discussion has devolved pretty quickly into Obama's muslim roots. The gist is...leadership both in the military and the current administration have responsibility for this and is compounding it by punishing those who are brave enough to whistleblow and speak up.

"Devolved into Obama's muslim roots" - That totally proves that this is is a purely partisan attack masquerading as concern for those kids. It's disgusting that the right wingers would put a partisan attack ahead of genuine concern about human rights.

Not quite - they are linked, in that our President is allowing these Marines to be criminalized, yet finds the time to come to the immediate defense others, including Bergdahl. Many of us want to know why.

Silly me. I thought the issue was child rape. Obviously, attacking Obama is much more important.

Can you answer why Obama has not weighed in on this issue? He is commander-in-chief, after all. Correct me if I'm wrong and he has weighed in on this issue, like he did Bergdahl.

Perhaps he is a bit busy with the Pope at the moment and the coming arrival of Chinese President Xi Jinping? Personally, I am less interested in him "weighing in" and more interested in seeing major policy changes aimed at reducing, if not eliminating, child rape.

You're not going to get that by punishing those that try to stop it on our bases. He's clearly uninterested in doing so, given he'd rather go after our own boys.

He wasn't too busy to tweet Ahmed, the boy who didn't make a clock.

I want more than a tweet. BTW, I just sat down at the Steve Earle show. Let's see what he has to say about current events.

LOL - I"m sure he'll say a LOT! I plan to go to his songwriting classes next summer. We won't get on

Enjoy!! Let me know how it was!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So Republicans suddenly are so very concerned about human rights? They're fine with torture, rendering innocent noncombatants for torture at CIA black sites, and indiscriminately killing with drones. But God forbid a Green Beret be discharged for assaulting someone.

??? This is a Republican thing? Have you read the paper in the last six years or do you live in a patchouli infused hole?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This discussion has devolved pretty quickly into Obama's muslim roots. The gist is...leadership both in the military and the current administration have responsibility for this and is compounding it by punishing those who are brave enough to whistleblow and speak up.

"Devolved into Obama's muslim roots" - That totally proves that this is is a purely partisan attack masquerading as concern for those kids. It's disgusting that the right wingers would put a partisan attack ahead of genuine concern about human rights.

Not quite - they are linked, in that our President is allowing these Marines to be criminalized, yet finds the time to come to the immediate defense others, including Bergdahl. Many of us want to know why.

Silly me. I thought the issue was child rape. Obviously, attacking Obama is much more important.

Obama defending the green beret who defended the child is sending a clear message on child rape. Do you not see that the issues are related?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This discussion has devolved pretty quickly into Obama's muslim roots. The gist is...leadership both in the military and the current administration have responsibility for this and is compounding it by punishing those who are brave enough to whistleblow and speak up.

"Devolved into Obama's muslim roots" - That totally proves that this is is a purely partisan attack masquerading as concern for those kids. It's disgusting that the right wingers would put a partisan attack ahead of genuine concern about human rights.

Not quite - they are linked, in that our President is allowing these Marines to be criminalized, yet finds the time to come to the immediate defense others, including Bergdahl. Many of us want to know why.

Silly me. I thought the issue was child rape. Obviously, attacking Obama is much more important.

Can you answer why Obama has not weighed in on this issue? He is commander-in-chief, after all. Correct me if I'm wrong and he has weighed in on this issue, like he did Bergdahl.

Perhaps he is a bit busy with the Pope at the moment and the coming arrival of Chinese President Xi Jinping? Personally, I am less interested in him "weighing in" and more interested in seeing major policy changes aimed at reducing, if not eliminating, child rape.

He's "too busy"???????? This Green Beret issue has been perculating for years. He has had much time to weigh in on both the Green Beret and child rape. I thought one of the Obama White House initiatives was supporting military personnel? Try again.

[Anonymous]

Folks: can we get back to the original topic of the article about child rape and torture and the indigenous culture that enables it?

[Anonymous]

This Afghan child rape thing has been percolating in that indiginous culture for centuries... Did all of you gloss over the Colonial British accounts of the practice from over 100 years ago that were mentioned several times by various posters to this thread? It was a known issue during Bush's Administration, it was a known issue when Reagan was arming Afghan mujahideen, t's been an issue for a very very long time. Reagan wasn't able to deal with it or put an end to it during the years that we were using those rapist Afghan commanders to fight a proxy war against the Soviets, Bush wasn't able to deal with it or put an end to it in the 7 years that he was in charge of the occupying force in Afghanistan, yet somehow you think Obama could end it overnight with a snap of the finger.... SMH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This Afghan child rape thing has been percolating in that indiginous culture for centuries... Did all of you gloss over the Colonial British accounts of the practice from over 100 years ago that were mentioned several times by various posters to this thread? It was a known issue during Bush's Administration, it was a known issue when Reagan was arming Afghan mujahideen, t's been an issue for a very very long time. Reagan wasn't able to deal with it or put an end to it during the years that we were using those rapist Afghan commanders to fight a proxy war against the Soviets, Bush wasn't able to deal with it or put an end to it in the 7 years that he was in charge of the occupying force in Afghanistan, yet somehow you think Obama could end it overnight with a snap of the finger.... SMH.

Referring to British colonial times seems so long ago, history.

This article is current with current people (veterans and children) and real life vivid testimonials about what was seen and screams heard.

It's not acceptable to say it has happened for centuries so it can continue to happen. It continues because Afghanistan is a lawless shithole they call a country. Make an example of one of the pedophile commanders. It would be great to throw him in one of the prisons in the US. Even the hardened American prisoners who are murders have a code and don't rape kids and the commander would be dead meat, after the prisoners had THEIR way with him. What justice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This Afghan child rape thing has been percolating in that indiginous culture for centuries... Did all of you gloss over the Colonial British accounts of the practice from over 100 years ago that were mentioned several times by various posters to this thread? It was a known issue during Bush's Administration, it was a known issue when Reagan was arming Afghan mujahideen, t's been an issue for a very very long time. Reagan wasn't able to deal with it or put an end to it during the years that we were using those rapist Afghan commanders to fight a proxy war against the Soviets, Bush wasn't able to deal with it or put an end to it in the 7 years that he was in charge of the occupying force in Afghanistan, yet somehow you think Obama could end it overnight with a snap of the finger.... SMH.

Yes unrealistic to end it. But unfair to prosecute a green beret who did the minimum anyone would do to someone laughing their head off over it - push them. Its not legal here, hasn't gone on for centuries here, and the green beret is from here. Or are we ending his career in the name.of cultural sensitivity? And then we do what we can, whatever we can, to not aid abet and partner in it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yep, a bunch of Marines and foot soldiers and field commanders did not suddenly become."ok"with child rape. This came from.the very top ..just make do. Just get results ..dont rock the boat. Work with the people stuffing dollars into overseas accounts and buying young boys. I'm sorry, but this comes from the TOP. If not, why would this case of the green beret not be overturned already? I feel.so sorry for so many of our military members, up to the generals. It is so hard to be the voice in the wilderness. We see the consequence in this trial.

I think it's more insidious than that. We have a President who is much more sympathetic to Islam - probably due to his upbringing - than he is any other religion.

Lemme fix that for ya, "Obama's a secret Kenyan born Muslim Communist"

Dude, don't go halfway on teabagger moron, just cut to the chase and go for the TRIFECTA! We already know ya wanna!

Obama was taught in Muslim schools for part of his life. His mother, father, and grandparents were communists (see "little red church"). Your childhood does shape your adult views.

Obama didn't attend a "Muslim school" while living in Indonesia. For nearly three years, he attended St. Francis of Assisi, which is a Roman Catholic school. He next attended a public school known as State Elementary School Menteng 01 (aka SDN Besuki), which was located in a prestigious district of Jakarta and home to scores of diplomats and high-ranking officials. There were, however, some Muslim students who attended the school, which is what is to be expected in a multicultural society. Despite what you heard on Fox News or read on Drudge, he did not attend a radical Islamic madrassa where he sat on a dirt floor while being indoctrinated by a crazed Imam. You guys need to stop with this divisive, hateful "Muslim" nonsense.

Well, geez, now I'm confused. Obama calls SD Besuki his "Muslim School" in Audacity. AP also published a registration document from Santo Fransiskus Asisi with his religion listed as "Islam".

You got me. It was a terrorist training school. That's why eight-year old Barry was interviewed for admission to the Punahou School in Hawaii after completing the Third Grade at SDN Besuki. Given you are so conversant in Obama's Muslimhood you also would know that he was registered by the school using the last name and religion of his Indonesian stepfather. Keep trying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This Afghan child rape thing has been percolating in that indiginous culture for centuries... Did all of you gloss over the Colonial British accounts of the practice from over 100 years ago that were mentioned several times by various posters to this thread? It was a known issue during Bush's Administration, it was a known issue when Reagan was arming Afghan mujahideen, t's been an issue for a very very long time. Reagan wasn't able to deal with it or put an end to it during the years that we were using those rapist Afghan commanders to fight a proxy war against the Soviets, Bush wasn't able to deal with it or put an end to it in the 7 years that he was in charge of the occupying force in Afghanistan, yet somehow you think Obama could end it overnight with a snap of the finger.... SMH.

Yes unrealistic to end it. But unfair to prosecute a green beret who did the minimum anyone would do to someone laughing their head off over it - push them. Its not legal here, hasn't gone on for centuries here, and the green beret is from here. Or are we ending his career in the name.of cultural sensitivity? And then we do what we can, whatever we can, to not aid abet and partner in it.

He didn't "push" the Afghan. He beat him up. That's assault and stateside, that can also be a career ending felony. The ends don't always justify the means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This Afghan child rape thing has been percolating in that indiginous culture for centuries... Did all of you gloss over the Colonial British accounts of the practice from over 100 years ago that were mentioned several times by various posters to this thread? It was a known issue during Bush's Administration, it was a known issue when Reagan was arming Afghan mujahideen, t's been an issue for a very very long time. Reagan wasn't able to deal with it or put an end to it during the years that we were using those rapist Afghan commanders to fight a proxy war against the Soviets, Bush wasn't able to deal with it or put an end to it in the 7 years that he was in charge of the occupying force in Afghanistan, yet somehow you think Obama could end it overnight with a snap of the finger.... SMH.

Referring to British colonial times seems so long ago, history.

This article is current with current people (veterans and children) and real life vivid testimonials about what was seen and screams heard.

It's not acceptable to say it has happened for centuries so it can continue to happen. It continues because Afghanistan is a lawless shithole they call a country. Make an example of one of the pedophile commanders. It would be great to throw him in one of the prisons in the US. Even the hardened American prisoners who are murders have a code and don't rape kids and the commander would be dead meat, after the prisoners had THEIR way with him. What justice.

Well, okay then - you are more than welcome to march yourself right on over there to Afghanistan and stop them, since you think you have all the answers.

[Anonymous]

Yes. This is solvable. The solution is to not allow child rape on our military bases and not discharge soldiers that try to stop this. I agree with the pp even the most hardened criminals in the U.S. Deplore child rape.

The mindset comes from the top and the administration totally has the power to set the tone what happens on our bases

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This Afghan child rape thing has been percolating in that indiginous culture for centuries... Did all of you gloss over the Colonial British accounts of the practice from over 100 years ago that were mentioned several times by various posters to this thread? It was a known issue during Bush's Administration, it was a known issue when Reagan was arming Afghan mujahideen, t's been an issue for a very very long time. Reagan wasn't able to deal with it or put an end to it during the years that we were using those rapist Afghan commanders to fight a proxy war against the Soviets, Bush wasn't able to deal with it or put an end to it in the 7 years that he was in charge of the occupying force in Afghanistan, yet somehow you think Obama could end it overnight with a snap of the finger.... SMH.

Referring to British colonial times seems so long ago, history.

This article is current with current people (veterans and children) and real life vivid testimonials about what was seen and screams heard.

It's not acceptable to say it has happened for centuries so it can continue to happen. It continues because Afghanistan is a lawless shithole they call a country. Make an example of one of the pedophile commanders. It would be great to throw him in one of the prisons in the US. Even the hardened American prisoners who are murders have a code and don't rape kids and the commander would be dead meat, after the prisoners had THEIR way with him. What justice.

Well, okay then - you are more than welcome to march yourself right on over there to Afghanistan and stop them, since you think you have all the answers.

Rolling eyes. How juvenile. Shame on you for arguing child rape on our bases is somehow ok.

[Anonymous]

The Washington post is now reporting on this with more soldier accounts how they were told to ignore child rape on their military bases

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/23/u-s-general-in-afghanistan-says-there-is-no-policy-to-ignore-sexual-abuse-troops-say-otherwise/