Harry and Meghan’s Christmas card

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Anonymous wrote:Disappointed with all the cynicism, derision, and yes, even hate, expressed in this thread!

Fact is:

- they are good-hearted philanthropists and in many ways, just an ordinary couple facing all the hurdles and many daunting challenges of raising two Black children in today’s America.

Except the children are not black they are just as white as the rest of us curdy Europeans. Seriously, there is nothing black about them - no culture, no color

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Anonymous wrote:Harry recently went on a ski trip with his friend and then they participated in a Snow Polo competition. He was introduced at the competition as Harry Wales. But Meghan was clear she is a Sussex so curious as to why they are using different names.

Harry Wales and Meghan Sussex

He's been Harry Wales since childhood because his dad was Prince of Wales then. He used that last name at school and in the military. He got the Sussex title as a wedding gift. So his wife is Duchess of Sussex. She is not a Princess of Wales OR THE Princess of Wales. I guess she was never made a Princess. Technically, I think Kate was not until William became THE Prince of Wales. There was much remark over how William put "princess of the UK" as Kate's occupation on (George's?) birth certificate. At that point she could have gone by Kate Cambridge. And was a royal duchess. At that time, she could also have been called Princess William.

Actually, Meghan is a princess. She is Princess Henry of Wales.

Meghan is not a princess of wales.

I thought they were all over and done with the titles. Not a Princess. I think her daughter is though. But again thought they wanted no titles?

No - they want the titles and the security but not to do any of the royal 'work'.

The Queen called Will and Kate “Won’t and Can’t”.

They all seem to be over the “work” part, whatever that was.

They are out doing Royal things every week and living by Royal rules and all of that. Fine. So they can have the titles and pomp and represent the country.

Meghan and Harry aren't doing any of the Royal things or living by Royal rules. Yet they want the royal titles and apparently are upset they don't have the security. I think people would have more respect for them, or at least the respect they seem to want, if they would stop trying to be royal Americans, a la Countess Luann, and just be normal people.

Harry’s titles (and his wife’s by marriage) are his birthright. That’s kind of the whole point of the monarchy, that certain people in one specific family are the head of a nation.

There’s no halfway about it.

Either you accept the premise that the members of a certain family deserve titles by birth or you don’t believe in a monarchy.

Pick a lane.

Harry and Meghan did pick a lane. They moved across the ocean to another country and trashed the royal family. Buh bye monarchy.

Do you not understand what monarchy is? He doesn’t stop being a prince because he moved.

It’s his birthright. Just like being the future king is William’s.

Pick a lane. Either you support the idea that one family is so special they should have taxpayer funded estates and titles and money or you don’t. It’s silly to pretend otherwise.

He has an uncle that used to be a prince and now isn't. So birthright means you do get it at birth, but it doesn't mean it stays with you no matter what you do.

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Anonymous wrote:Her hair looks fine. She's a child. It's a little frizzy, but not unbrushed.

That said, I think it's so strange they insist on doing holiday cards with a family photo while refusing to show their kid's faces. I don't need to see their kid's faces, that's fine. But if you want to protect their privacy, why do the holiday card with them in it? Or why not just send a holiday car to family and close friends with a real family photo, and not do a public card at all? If they wanted to express holiday wishes publicly, they could do so without a photo.

It's just such a strange choice.

I think maybe they do it because Archie may have the same problem with his eyes that Lady Louise had? I remember when he was born and seeing some pics/reading that he might have strabismus. I have known kids who had early surgery for this, but I know that Lady Louise didn't have her surgery until she was much older, so who knows.

Strabismes in a toddler can be corrected with a certain kind of glasses without surgery.

But the kid has to wear the glasses from time they are 2-3 until they are around 16/17.

The glasses are very thick, like grandma coke bottle glasses.

I am surprised that parents would choose surgery over trying the glasses option.

My parent chose surgery in the 70s. It’s safe and resolves the problem immediately.

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It’s ok for us to have different opinions. She is not a philanthropist but a narcissist and he is stuck living a lie. Yes, he’s a prince, but that title can be stripped along with privileges. She is not anything, yet she forces media and others to announce her as “duchess”. I wish they’d life their lives peacefully and stop the attention grabs.

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Anonymous wrote:Harry recently went on a ski trip with his friend and then they participated in a Snow Polo competition. He was introduced at the competition as Harry Wales. But Meghan was clear she is a Sussex so curious as to why they are using different names.

Harry Wales and Meghan Sussex

He's been Harry Wales since childhood because his dad was Prince of Wales then. He used that last name at school and in the military. He got the Sussex title as a wedding gift. So his wife is Duchess of Sussex. She is not a Princess of Wales OR THE Princess of Wales. I guess she was never made a Princess. Technically, I think Kate was not until William became THE Prince of Wales. There was much remark over how William put "princess of the UK" as Kate's occupation on (George's?) birth certificate. At that point she could have gone by Kate Cambridge. And was a royal duchess. At that time, she could also have been called Princess William.

Actually, Meghan is a princess. She is Princess Henry of Wales.

Meghan is not a princess of wales.

I thought they were all over and done with the titles. Not a Princess. I think her daughter is though. But again thought they wanted no titles?

No - they want the titles and the security but not to do any of the royal 'work'.

The Queen called Will and Kate “Won’t and Can’t”.

They all seem to be over the “work” part, whatever that was.

They are out doing Royal things every week and living by Royal rules and all of that. Fine. So they can have the titles and pomp and represent the country.

Meghan and Harry aren't doing any of the Royal things or living by Royal rules. Yet they want the royal titles and apparently are upset they don't have the security. I think people would have more respect for them, or at least the respect they seem to want, if they would stop trying to be royal Americans, a la Countess Luann, and just be normal people.

The reason she called the Won’t and Can’t is because that was their response to her requests for them to “do royal work”. So, no. They are not “out there every week”. For years they’ve done as little as possible only increasing slightly when dad was sick and it looked like becoming King might be close.

To people who don’t look at them with rose colored glasses or think they’re superior humans, it’s pretty obvious they’re slackers too.

And not providing them with security was a giant flag of the narcissistic abuse within that family. They’re seriously dysfunctional and nothing to admire.

OK well whatever. My point was that W and C are doing royal things and living by the royal rules and not trashing their family so they get the royal benefits. Seems simple enough to me.

+1 Of course, it is. No one wants to be around family members who publicly (on national television, no less) trash them. I would never give someone more than a polite greeting and nod of the head if I thought they would quote me in magazines, books, and other media.

If they were my family seriously I would respond just as publicly “I’m so sorry they feel this way. We are here for them to discuss their problems in private and are working towards a resolution. This is a private family matter and the public should know we love and support them.” That isn’t hard to do. Instead they cut them off. They don’t have a happy family or even know why that looks like - seriously centuries of dysfunctional family relationships - much of that is public too

+1 They were so childish and narcissistic about this. Truly, such an outrageously dysfunctional and cruel family. Harry might be the only genuinely kind one in the bunch and I’m happy for him that he got out. He is what therapists call “the identified patient”, aka the scapegoat for family dysfunction.

How do you scapegoat someone you never see and don't acknowledge the existence of? He needs to stand on his own two feet. Make something of himself. Find a path forward. They have moved on and left him in their wake and he's still spinning his wheels.

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Anonymous wrote:Harry recently went on a ski trip with his friend and then they participated in a Snow Polo competition. He was introduced at the competition as Harry Wales. But Meghan was clear she is a Sussex so curious as to why they are using different names.

Harry Wales and Meghan Sussex

He's been Harry Wales since childhood because his dad was Prince of Wales then. He used that last name at school and in the military. He got the Sussex title as a wedding gift. So his wife is Duchess of Sussex. She is not a Princess of Wales OR THE Princess of Wales. I guess she was never made a Princess. Technically, I think Kate was not until William became THE Prince of Wales. There was much remark over how William put "princess of the UK" as Kate's occupation on (George's?) birth certificate. At that point she could have gone by Kate Cambridge. And was a royal duchess. At that time, she could also have been called Princess William.

Actually, Meghan is a princess. She is Princess Henry of Wales.

Meghan is not a princess of wales.

I thought they were all over and done with the titles. Not a Princess. I think her daughter is though. But again thought they wanted no titles?

No - they want the titles and the security but not to do any of the royal 'work'.

The Queen called Will and Kate “Won’t and Can’t”.

They all seem to be over the “work” part, whatever that was.

They are out doing Royal things every week and living by Royal rules and all of that. Fine. So they can have the titles and pomp and represent the country.

Meghan and Harry aren't doing any of the Royal things or living by Royal rules. Yet they want the royal titles and apparently are upset they don't have the security. I think people would have more respect for them, or at least the respect they seem to want, if they would stop trying to be royal Americans, a la Countess Luann, and just be normal people.

Harry’s titles (and his wife’s by marriage) are his birthright. That’s kind of the whole point of the monarchy, that certain people in one specific family are the head of a nation.

There’s no halfway about it.

Either you accept the premise that the members of a certain family deserve titles by birth or you don’t believe in a monarchy.

Pick a lane.

Harry and Meghan did pick a lane. They moved across the ocean to another country and trashed the royal family. Buh bye monarchy.

Do you not understand what monarchy is? He doesn’t stop being a prince because he moved.

It’s his birthright. Just like being the future king is William’s.

Pick a lane. Either you support the idea that one family is so special they should have taxpayer funded estates and titles and money or you don’t. It’s silly to pretend otherwise.

The British monarchy is headed in the same direction at other European monarchs - no power, little publicity, no one really cares, and outside their own country few would even recognize them. These people are really useless to society

Well that’s true. European royalty . . .

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ok for us to have different opinions. She is not a philanthropist but a narcissist and he is stuck living a lie. Yes, he’s a prince, but that title can be stripped along with privileges. She is not anything, yet she forces media and others to announce her as “duchess”. I wish they’d life their lives peacefully and stop the attention grabs.

She’s a duchess and he’s a prince. You don’t have to like it or agree with it. It is on the official royal websites. It is what it is - YOU are too insignificant to change it - but we cannot stop you from having a strong (false) opinion.
https://www.royal.uk/royal-family

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ok for us to have different opinions. She is not a philanthropist but a narcissist and he is stuck living a lie. Yes, he’s a prince, but that title can be stripped along with privileges. She is not anything, yet she forces media and others to announce her as “duchess”. I wish they’d life their lives peacefully and stop the attention grabs.

She’s a duchess and he’s a prince. You don’t have to like it or agree with it. It is on the official royal websites. It is what it is - YOU are too insignificant to change it - but we cannot stop you from having a strong (false) opinion.
https://www.royal.uk/royal-family

It’s on the website it doesn’t mean anyone has to care. We can just call him Harry. The titles mean nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Harry recently went on a ski trip with his friend and then they participated in a Snow Polo competition. He was introduced at the competition as Harry Wales. But Meghan was clear she is a Sussex so curious as to why they are using different names.

Harry Wales and Meghan Sussex

He's been Harry Wales since childhood because his dad was Prince of Wales then. He used that last name at school and in the military. He got the Sussex title as a wedding gift. So his wife is Duchess of Sussex. She is not a Princess of Wales OR THE Princess of Wales. I guess she was never made a Princess. Technically, I think Kate was not until William became THE Prince of Wales. There was much remark over how William put "princess of the UK" as Kate's occupation on (George's?) birth certificate. At that point she could have gone by Kate Cambridge. And was a royal duchess. At that time, she could also have been called Princess William.

Actually, Meghan is a princess. She is Princess Henry of Wales.

Meghan is not a princess of wales.

I thought they were all over and done with the titles. Not a Princess. I think her daughter is though. But again thought they wanted no titles?

No - they want the titles and the security but not to do any of the royal 'work'.

The Queen called Will and Kate “Won’t and Can’t”.

They all seem to be over the “work” part, whatever that was.

They are out doing Royal things every week and living by Royal rules and all of that. Fine. So they can have the titles and pomp and represent the country.

Meghan and Harry aren't doing any of the Royal things or living by Royal rules. Yet they want the royal titles and apparently are upset they don't have the security. I think people would have more respect for them, or at least the respect they seem to want, if they would stop trying to be royal Americans, a la Countess Luann, and just be normal people.

The reason she called the Won’t and Can’t is because that was their response to her requests for them to “do royal work”. So, no. They are not “out there every week”. For years they’ve done as little as possible only increasing slightly when dad was sick and it looked like becoming King might be close.

To people who don’t look at them with rose colored glasses or think they’re superior humans, it’s pretty obvious they’re slackers too.

And not providing them with security was a giant flag of the narcissistic abuse within that family. They’re seriously dysfunctional and nothing to admire.

OK well whatever. My point was that W and C are doing royal things and living by the royal rules and not trashing their family so they get the royal benefits. Seems simple enough to me.

+1 Of course, it is. No one wants to be around family members who publicly (on national television, no less) trash them. I would never give someone more than a polite greeting and nod of the head if I thought they would quote me in magazines, books, and other media.

If they were my family seriously I would respond just as publicly “I’m so sorry they feel this way. We are here for them to discuss their problems in private and are working towards a resolution. This is a private family matter and the public should know we love and support them.” That isn’t hard to do. Instead they cut them off. They don’t have a happy family or even know why that looks like - seriously centuries of dysfunctional family relationships - much of that is public too

+1 They were so childish and narcissistic about this. Truly, such an outrageously dysfunctional and cruel family. Harry might be the only genuinely kind one in the bunch and I’m happy for him that he got out. He is what therapists call “the identified patient”, aka the scapegoat for family dysfunction.

How do you scapegoat someone you never see and don't acknowledge the existence of? He needs to stand on his own two feet. Make something of himself. Find a path forward. They have moved on and left him in their wake and he's still spinning his wheels.

I doubt you’re really that dim. They pushed him out by being a dysfunctional mess and belittling his concerns. When Kate “needed time to adjust” they cooperated . When Harry and Meghan needed help, they treated them like garbage. Then they gladly made him out to be the “difficult” one and as they do to each other, smeared him in the press.

They are truly awful, weird, and incredibly fake people. Harry was emotionally abused and he wouldn’t take it anymore, Good for him.

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Anonymous wrote:Harry recently went on a ski trip with his friend and then they participated in a Snow Polo competition. He was introduced at the competition as Harry Wales. But Meghan was clear she is a Sussex so curious as to why they are using different names.

Harry Wales and Meghan Sussex

He's been Harry Wales since childhood because his dad was Prince of Wales then. He used that last name at school and in the military. He got the Sussex title as a wedding gift. So his wife is Duchess of Sussex. She is not a Princess of Wales OR THE Princess of Wales. I guess she was never made a Princess. Technically, I think Kate was not until William became THE Prince of Wales. There was much remark over how William put "princess of the UK" as Kate's occupation on (George's?) birth certificate. At that point she could have gone by Kate Cambridge. And was a royal duchess. At that time, she could also have been called Princess William.

Actually, Meghan is a princess. She is Princess Henry of Wales.

Meghan is not a princess of wales.

I thought they were all over and done with the titles. Not a Princess. I think her daughter is though. But again thought they wanted no titles?

No - they want the titles and the security but not to do any of the royal 'work'.

The Queen called Will and Kate “Won’t and Can’t”.

They all seem to be over the “work” part, whatever that was.

They are out doing Royal things every week and living by Royal rules and all of that. Fine. So they can have the titles and pomp and represent the country.

Meghan and Harry aren't doing any of the Royal things or living by Royal rules. Yet they want the royal titles and apparently are upset they don't have the security. I think people would have more respect for them, or at least the respect they seem to want, if they would stop trying to be royal Americans, a la Countess Luann, and just be normal people.

The reason she called the Won’t and Can’t is because that was their response to her requests for them to “do royal work”. So, no. They are not “out there every week”. For years they’ve done as little as possible only increasing slightly when dad was sick and it looked like becoming King might be close.

To people who don’t look at them with rose colored glasses or think they’re superior humans, it’s pretty obvious they’re slackers too.

And not providing them with security was a giant flag of the narcissistic abuse within that family. They’re seriously dysfunctional and nothing to admire.

OK well whatever. My point was that W and C are doing royal things and living by the royal rules and not trashing their family so they get the royal benefits. Seems simple enough to me.

+1 Of course, it is. No one wants to be around family members who publicly (on national television, no less) trash them. I would never give someone more than a polite greeting and nod of the head if I thought they would quote me in magazines, books, and other media.

If they were my family seriously I would respond just as publicly “I’m so sorry they feel this way. We are here for them to discuss their problems in private and are working towards a resolution. This is a private family matter and the public should know we love and support them.” That isn’t hard to do. Instead they cut them off. They don’t have a happy family or even know why that looks like - seriously centuries of dysfunctional family relationships - much of that is public too

+1 They were so childish and narcissistic about this. Truly, such an outrageously dysfunctional and cruel family. Harry might be the only genuinely kind one in the bunch and I’m happy for him that he got out. He is what therapists call “the identified patient”, aka the scapegoat for family dysfunction.

How do you scapegoat someone you never see and don't acknowledge the existence of? He needs to stand on his own two feet. Make something of himself. Find a path forward. They have moved on and left him in their wake and he's still spinning his wheels.

I doubt you’re really that dim. They pushed him out by being a dysfunctional mess and belittling his concerns. When Kate “needed time to adjust” they cooperated . When Harry and Meghan needed help, they treated them like garbage. Then they gladly made him out to be the “difficult” one and as they do to each other, smeared him in the press.

They are truly awful, weird, and incredibly fake people. Harry was emotionally abused and he wouldn’t take it anymore, Good for him.

Don’t care. We are talking about a weird card. You’re having your own discussion about imaginary dragons.

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Anonymous wrote:Harry recently went on a ski trip with his friend and then they participated in a Snow Polo competition. He was introduced at the competition as Harry Wales. But Meghan was clear she is a Sussex so curious as to why they are using different names.

Harry Wales and Meghan Sussex

He's been Harry Wales since childhood because his dad was Prince of Wales then. He used that last name at school and in the military. He got the Sussex title as a wedding gift. So his wife is Duchess of Sussex. She is not a Princess of Wales OR THE Princess of Wales. I guess she was never made a Princess. Technically, I think Kate was not until William became THE Prince of Wales. There was much remark over how William put "princess of the UK" as Kate's occupation on (George's?) birth certificate. At that point she could have gone by Kate Cambridge. And was a royal duchess. At that time, she could also have been called Princess William.

Actually, Meghan is a princess. She is Princess Henry of Wales.

Meghan is not a princess of wales.

I thought they were all over and done with the titles. Not a Princess. I think her daughter is though. But again thought they wanted no titles?

No - they want the titles and the security but not to do any of the royal 'work'.

The Queen called Will and Kate “Won’t and Can’t”.

They all seem to be over the “work” part, whatever that was.

They are out doing Royal things every week and living by Royal rules and all of that. Fine. So they can have the titles and pomp and represent the country.

Meghan and Harry aren't doing any of the Royal things or living by Royal rules. Yet they want the royal titles and apparently are upset they don't have the security. I think people would have more respect for them, or at least the respect they seem to want, if they would stop trying to be royal Americans, a la Countess Luann, and just be normal people.

The reason she called the Won’t and Can’t is because that was their response to her requests for them to “do royal work”. So, no. They are not “out there every week”. For years they’ve done as little as possible only increasing slightly when dad was sick and it looked like becoming King might be close.

To people who don’t look at them with rose colored glasses or think they’re superior humans, it’s pretty obvious they’re slackers too.

And not providing them with security was a giant flag of the narcissistic abuse within that family. They’re seriously dysfunctional and nothing to admire.

OK well whatever. My point was that W and C are doing royal things and living by the royal rules and not trashing their family so they get the royal benefits. Seems simple enough to me.

+1 Of course, it is. No one wants to be around family members who publicly (on national television, no less) trash them. I would never give someone more than a polite greeting and nod of the head if I thought they would quote me in magazines, books, and other media.

If they were my family seriously I would respond just as publicly “I’m so sorry they feel this way. We are here for them to discuss their problems in private and are working towards a resolution. This is a private family matter and the public should know we love and support them.” That isn’t hard to do. Instead they cut them off. They don’t have a happy family or even know why that looks like - seriously centuries of dysfunctional family relationships - much of that is public too

+1 They were so childish and narcissistic about this. Truly, such an outrageously dysfunctional and cruel family. Harry might be the only genuinely kind one in the bunch and I’m happy for him that he got out. He is what therapists call “the identified patient”, aka the scapegoat for family dysfunction.

How do you scapegoat someone you never see and don't acknowledge the existence of? He needs to stand on his own two feet. Make something of himself. Find a path forward. They have moved on and left him in their wake and he's still spinning his wheels.

I doubt you’re really that dim. They pushed him out by being a dysfunctional mess and belittling his concerns. When Kate “needed time to adjust” they cooperated . When Harry and Meghan needed help, they treated them like garbage. Then they gladly made him out to be the “difficult” one and as they do to each other, smeared him in the press.

They are truly awful, weird, and incredibly fake people. Harry was emotionally abused and he wouldn’t take it anymore, Good for him.

Don’t care. We are talking about a weird card. You’re having your own discussion about imaginary dragons.

+1 Let’s stay on topic.

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Anonymous wrote:Harry recently went on a ski trip with his friend and then they participated in a Snow Polo competition. He was introduced at the competition as Harry Wales. But Meghan was clear she is a Sussex so curious as to why they are using different names.

Harry Wales and Meghan Sussex

He's been Harry Wales since childhood because his dad was Prince of Wales then. He used that last name at school and in the military. He got the Sussex title as a wedding gift. So his wife is Duchess of Sussex. She is not a Princess of Wales OR THE Princess of Wales. I guess she was never made a Princess. Technically, I think Kate was not until William became THE Prince of Wales. There was much remark over how William put "princess of the UK" as Kate's occupation on (George's?) birth certificate. At that point she could have gone by Kate Cambridge. And was a royal duchess. At that time, she could also have been called Princess William.

Actually, Meghan is a princess. She is Princess Henry of Wales.

Meghan is not a princess of wales.

I thought they were all over and done with the titles. Not a Princess. I think her daughter is though. But again thought they wanted no titles?

No - they want the titles and the security but not to do any of the royal 'work'.

The Queen called Will and Kate “Won’t and Can’t”.

They all seem to be over the “work” part, whatever that was.

They are out doing Royal things every week and living by Royal rules and all of that. Fine. So they can have the titles and pomp and represent the country.

Meghan and Harry aren't doing any of the Royal things or living by Royal rules. Yet they want the royal titles and apparently are upset they don't have the security. I think people would have more respect for them, or at least the respect they seem to want, if they would stop trying to be royal Americans, a la Countess Luann, and just be normal people.

The reason she called the Won’t and Can’t is because that was their response to her requests for them to “do royal work”. So, no. They are not “out there every week”. For years they’ve done as little as possible only increasing slightly when dad was sick and it looked like becoming King might be close.

To people who don’t look at them with rose colored glasses or think they’re superior humans, it’s pretty obvious they’re slackers too.

And not providing them with security was a giant flag of the narcissistic abuse within that family. They’re seriously dysfunctional and nothing to admire.

OK well whatever. My point was that W and C are doing royal things and living by the royal rules and not trashing their family so they get the royal benefits. Seems simple enough to me.

+1 Of course, it is. No one wants to be around family members who publicly (on national television, no less) trash them. I would never give someone more than a polite greeting and nod of the head if I thought they would quote me in magazines, books, and other media.

If they were my family seriously I would respond just as publicly “I’m so sorry they feel this way. We are here for them to discuss their problems in private and are working towards a resolution. This is a private family matter and the public should know we love and support them.” That isn’t hard to do. Instead they cut them off. They don’t have a happy family or even know why that looks like - seriously centuries of dysfunctional family relationships - much of that is public too

+1 They were so childish and narcissistic about this. Truly, such an outrageously dysfunctional and cruel family. Harry might be the only genuinely kind one in the bunch and I’m happy for him that he got out. He is what therapists call “the identified patient”, aka the scapegoat for family dysfunction.

How do you scapegoat someone you never see and don't acknowledge the existence of? He needs to stand on his own two feet. Make something of himself. Find a path forward. They have moved on and left him in their wake and he's still spinning his wheels.

DP
Read up on family dynamics on scapegoating. This is actually a very classic example.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ok for us to have different opinions. She is not a philanthropist but a narcissist and he is stuck living a lie. Yes, he’s a prince, but that title can be stripped along with privileges. She is not anything, yet she forces media and others to announce her as “duchess”. I wish they’d life their lives peacefully and stop the attention grabs.

She’s a duchess and he’s a prince. You don’t have to like it or agree with it. It is on the official royal websites. It is what it is - YOU are too insignificant to change it - but we cannot stop you from having a strong (false) opinion.
https://www.royal.uk/royal-family

It’s on the website it doesn’t mean anyone has to care. We can just call him Harry. The titles mean nothing.

Agree! All royal titles are meaningless to me. I’m American and can’t believe they have this antiquated system. “Ordained by God” my ass - I believe all people are created equal - but I’m American

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Anonymous wrote:Harry recently went on a ski trip with his friend and then they participated in a Snow Polo competition. He was introduced at the competition as Harry Wales. But Meghan was clear she is a Sussex so curious as to why they are using different names.

Harry Wales and Meghan Sussex

He's been Harry Wales since childhood because his dad was Prince of Wales then. He used that last name at school and in the military. He got the Sussex title as a wedding gift. So his wife is Duchess of Sussex. She is not a Princess of Wales OR THE Princess of Wales. I guess she was never made a Princess. Technically, I think Kate was not until William became THE Prince of Wales. There was much remark over how William put "princess of the UK" as Kate's occupation on (George's?) birth certificate. At that point she could have gone by Kate Cambridge. And was a royal duchess. At that time, she could also have been called Princess William.

Actually, Meghan is a princess. She is Princess Henry of Wales.

Meghan is not a princess of wales.

I thought they were all over and done with the titles. Not a Princess. I think her daughter is though. But again thought they wanted no titles?

No - they want the titles and the security but not to do any of the royal 'work'.

The Queen called Will and Kate “Won’t and Can’t”.

They all seem to be over the “work” part, whatever that was.

They are out doing Royal things every week and living by Royal rules and all of that. Fine. So they can have the titles and pomp and represent the country.

Meghan and Harry aren't doing any of the Royal things or living by Royal rules. Yet they want the royal titles and apparently are upset they don't have the security. I think people would have more respect for them, or at least the respect they seem to want, if they would stop trying to be royal Americans, a la Countess Luann, and just be normal people.

The reason she called the Won’t and Can’t is because that was their response to her requests for them to “do royal work”. So, no. They are not “out there every week”. For years they’ve done as little as possible only increasing slightly when dad was sick and it looked like becoming King might be close.

To people who don’t look at them with rose colored glasses or think they’re superior humans, it’s pretty obvious they’re slackers too.

And not providing them with security was a giant flag of the narcissistic abuse within that family. They’re seriously dysfunctional and nothing to admire.

OK well whatever. My point was that W and C are doing royal things and living by the royal rules and not trashing their family so they get the royal benefits. Seems simple enough to me.

+1 Of course, it is. No one wants to be around family members who publicly (on national television, no less) trash them. I would never give someone more than a polite greeting and nod of the head if I thought they would quote me in magazines, books, and other media.

If they were my family seriously I would respond just as publicly “I’m so sorry they feel this way. We are here for them to discuss their problems in private and are working towards a resolution. This is a private family matter and the public should know we love and support them.” That isn’t hard to do. Instead they cut them off. They don’t have a happy family or even know why that looks like - seriously centuries of dysfunctional family relationships - much of that is public too

+1 They were so childish and narcissistic about this. Truly, such an outrageously dysfunctional and cruel family. Harry might be the only genuinely kind one in the bunch and I’m happy for him that he got out. He is what therapists call “the identified patient”, aka the scapegoat for family dysfunction.

How do you scapegoat someone you never see and don't acknowledge the existence of? He needs to stand on his own two feet. Make something of himself. Find a path forward. They have moved on and left him in their wake and he's still spinning his wheels.

I doubt you’re really that dim. They pushed him out by being a dysfunctional mess and belittling his concerns. When Kate “needed time to adjust” they cooperated . When Harry and Meghan needed help, they treated them like garbage. Then they gladly made him out to be the “difficult” one and as they do to each other, smeared him in the press.

They are truly awful, weird, and incredibly fake people. Harry was emotionally abused and he wouldn’t take it anymore, Good for him.

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This is so obvious to most people who can view it objectively.

So many people here have no ability to think objectively about anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Harry recently went on a ski trip with his friend and then they participated in a Snow Polo competition. He was introduced at the competition as Harry Wales. But Meghan was clear she is a Sussex so curious as to why they are using different names.

Harry Wales and Meghan Sussex

He's been Harry Wales since childhood because his dad was Prince of Wales then. He used that last name at school and in the military. He got the Sussex title as a wedding gift. So his wife is Duchess of Sussex. She is not a Princess of Wales OR THE Princess of Wales. I guess she was never made a Princess. Technically, I think Kate was not until William became THE Prince of Wales. There was much remark over how William put "princess of the UK" as Kate's occupation on (George's?) birth certificate. At that point she could have gone by Kate Cambridge. And was a royal duchess. At that time, she could also have been called Princess William.

Actually, Meghan is a princess. She is Princess Henry of Wales.

Meghan is not a princess of wales.

I thought they were all over and done with the titles. Not a Princess. I think her daughter is though. But again thought they wanted no titles?

No - they want the titles and the security but not to do any of the royal 'work'.

The Queen called Will and Kate “Won’t and Can’t”.

They all seem to be over the “work” part, whatever that was.

They are out doing Royal things every week and living by Royal rules and all of that. Fine. So they can have the titles and pomp and represent the country.

Meghan and Harry aren't doing any of the Royal things or living by Royal rules. Yet they want the royal titles and apparently are upset they don't have the security. I think people would have more respect for them, or at least the respect they seem to want, if they would stop trying to be royal Americans, a la Countess Luann, and just be normal people.

The reason she called the Won’t and Can’t is because that was their response to her requests for them to “do royal work”. So, no. They are not “out there every week”. For years they’ve done as little as possible only increasing slightly when dad was sick and it looked like becoming King might be close.

To people who don’t look at them with rose colored glasses or think they’re superior humans, it’s pretty obvious they’re slackers too.

And not providing them with security was a giant flag of the narcissistic abuse within that family. They’re seriously dysfunctional and nothing to admire.

OK well whatever. My point was that W and C are doing royal things and living by the royal rules and not trashing their family so they get the royal benefits. Seems simple enough to me.

+1 Of course, it is. No one wants to be around family members who publicly (on national television, no less) trash them. I would never give someone more than a polite greeting and nod of the head if I thought they would quote me in magazines, books, and other media.

If they were my family seriously I would respond just as publicly “I’m so sorry they feel this way. We are here for them to discuss their problems in private and are working towards a resolution. This is a private family matter and the public should know we love and support them.” That isn’t hard to do. Instead they cut them off. They don’t have a happy family or even know why that looks like - seriously centuries of dysfunctional family relationships - much of that is public too

+1 They were so childish and narcissistic about this. Truly, such an outrageously dysfunctional and cruel family. Harry might be the only genuinely kind one in the bunch and I’m happy for him that he got out. He is what therapists call “the identified patient”, aka the scapegoat for family dysfunction.

How do you scapegoat someone you never see and don't acknowledge the existence of? He needs to stand on his own two feet. Make something of himself. Find a path forward. They have moved on and left him in their wake and he's still spinning his wheels.

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Read up on family dynamics on scapegoating. This is actually a very classic example.

Anyhoo, the card photo is a bit weird.