If things get worse for Jewish people

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

So you’re saying the leaders of tomorrow with embrace antisemitism?

it is NOT antisemitism to be against israel

I agree, especial when IDF is behaving like Hamas and killing thousands innocent civilians as collateral damage.

But that isn’t what is happening. IDF is going after Hamas. Hamas is hiding among children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:See PP as an example. In two to three generations when the Bidens and the Hilary Clintons are no longer here and AOC has power then what happens? And for all the arguments anti semitism is not anti Zionisism we have seen an outpouring of hate for Jewish people. I don’t fear for myself but I worry about a future in the US for my Jewish children.

I'm the PP you're referring to (I think); the one who believes that U.S. government policy should not be to blindly support the state of Israel. I am not antisemitic and I don't hate Jews (far from it) or think that they should be held personally responsible for the actions of the Israeli government.

I'm not sure why you think the fact that many of us do not believe the USG should unconditionally support Israel means you should worry about a future in the U.S. for your Jewish children. Seriously failing to see the logical connection there.

In other words, you think we should let the terrorists win, because that is what would happen. I’m sure you believe there would be some magical transformation to a Palestinian government based on peace, love, and understanding, but we don’t live in that world.

The terrorists haven't won. And committing (or as the U.S. is doing, funding and being complicit in) war crimes against the Palestinian civilian population is only going to create more terrorists. It's short sighted in the extreme, in addition to being immoral and bad optics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

I'm a millennial who is pro-Palestine and not particularly supportive of the Israeli government (certainly not this one) and absolutely think the United States should dial back its political and financial support to the state of Israel. And I will vote for it, to the extent that I have a choice (not in 2024, obviously).

I'm not sure what your comment means. I have no problem with Jewish people as a whole, and to the extent that anyone is antisemitic or Jewish people are victims of hate speech/crimes, I totally condemn that and believe that should be prosecuted. I don't think advocating for the withdrawal of U.S. support to the state of Israel, as a consistent part of U.S. foreign policy, is baseline antisemitic. Perhaps some people advocate that for antisemitic reasons, but I just think it is bad foreign policy.

If you conflate those two things, than we have a fundamental disagreement on worldview. That's not my issue to solve.

As long as you understand what withdrawing US support for Israel means — namely, a regional war in the Middle East that Israel would probably lose and which would likely lead to the deaths of millions of Israeli Jews, among many many others.

Thought excercise here - why is it okay for millions of Palestinians to die with US' help?

This is total deflection. It is completely non-responsive to what I said.

If we (Americans) cannot control that no stripe of innocent people die in our watch, then we must stop funding any side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

I'm a millennial who is pro-Palestine and not particularly supportive of the Israeli government (certainly not this one) and absolutely think the United States should dial back its political and financial support to the state of Israel. And I will vote for it, to the extent that I have a choice (not in 2024, obviously).

I'm not sure what your comment means. I have no problem with Jewish people as a whole, and to the extent that anyone is antisemitic or Jewish people are victims of hate speech/crimes, I totally condemn that and believe that should be prosecuted. I don't think advocating for the withdrawal of U.S. support to the state of Israel, as a consistent part of U.S. foreign policy, is baseline antisemitic. Perhaps some people advocate that for antisemitic reasons, but I just think it is bad foreign policy.

If you conflate those two things, than we have a fundamental disagreement on worldview. That's not my issue to solve.

Surely you understand that stateless nations are problematic for everyone. Look at the Kurds. They are a nation that has no official state. This has caused them to be attacked, famously with chemical weapons. They are also attackers, historically using terrorism for political violence. Right now, Israelis have a state. And, they have agreed to allow the state of Palestine to operate independently on land that officially belongs to Israel. Israel even foots the bill for all utilities that Palestine uses.

Why isn't this enough? Surely you understand that kicking Israelis out and leaving them stateless would harm all involved. Palestine has practically no governance and Israel has to take care of the people in Palestine. If we say, okay, let's kick out all the Jews and cede all of Israel to a terrorist organization, how do you think that will turn out? And what we would do about the nuclear bombs that Israel has? Turn that over to hamas, too? The so-called pro Palestine movement will be a bit like the dog that caught the car. This is not an outcome that will help actual Palestinians.

I agree that stateless nations are a problem for everyone. I also believe that the existence of the current Israel/Palestine situation is a problem for everyone (see, e.g. the current conflict - a major humanitarian problem for Gaza, potentially a regional conflict, and a major optics problem for the U.S., whose patron state is committing war crimes that we are, for some reason, defending in public).

The U.S. protecting this status quo through its policy of "support for Israel" (in its current form), is in my opinion bad policy. Either we need to (1) put our money where our mouth is and forcefully advocate for/broker a legitimate two-state solution in which Palestine is a real state with full control and sovereignty over its land, which would also require massive foreign aid to build out infrastructure and institutions so that it actually can be a functioning state; or (2) put enormous pressure on Israel to absorb Palestinians into the country as full, voting citizens with rights, who are treated well, educated properly, and supported in every way by the state. That might mean that Israel is no longer an ethnoreligious state but a multiethnic democracy. It can be done. And, while I hear the arguments that the Jewish people should have their own state, I don't think that is possible or good policy when it comes at the expense of subjugating a population of 2 million Palestinians.

Obviously these options aren't simple. There are a ton of issues to work out, and I realize that neither side is solely a victim or solely an aggressor, and obviously at this point they hate each other. I think either would eventually be preferable to what is going on right now, and I really hate that the U.S.'s policy is to blindly support the Israeli government as though they can do no wrong. It is bad policy for the American people.

On the second option: Do you really think integrating the Israeli and Palestinian population would be effective? This seems like an extraordinary act of foreign meddling that is highly unlikely to result in peace.

I don't think we should blindly support any other nation, so let's set aside that concern and focus on probable outcomes. You've already acknowledged it would take enormous amounts of cash and commitment, and we have neither. Also, neither Palestinians nor Israelis appear to wish for a two state solution. And, it's very likely that a lot of people would die. I'm trying to understand why you'd advocate what seems to be a doomed western vision of integration.

On the first: Israel already ceded Gaza. What else do you want Israel to do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The thread title is puzzling. Did the government pass any anti-Jewish laws lately? I haven't heard that it has.

This thread seems like someone wants to emphasize how Jewish people have to be special among all victims of hate crimes in America!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The thread title is puzzling. Did the government pass any anti-Jewish laws lately? I haven't heard that it has.

The government isn't the only actor in public life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

So you’re saying the leaders of tomorrow with embrace antisemitism?

it is NOT antisemitism to be against israel

I agree, especial when IDF is behaving like Hamas and killing thousands innocent civilians as collateral damage.

But that isn’t what is happening. IDF is going after Hamas. Hamas is hiding among children.

No, IDF is indiscriminately bombing Gaza and killing innocents and you are okay with it because they are not Jewish (westerners).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thread title is puzzling. Did the government pass any anti-Jewish laws lately? I haven't heard that it has.

This thread seems like someone wants to emphasize how Jewish people have to be special among all victims of hate crimes in America!

Actually, I think it indicates the antisemitism Jews are facing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thread title is puzzling. Did the government pass any anti-Jewish laws lately? I haven't heard that it has.

The government isn't the only actor in public life.

Ok, has Hollywood made any anti-Jewish movies lately? What is the source of worseness that the thread title?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thread title is puzzling. Did the government pass any anti-Jewish laws lately? I haven't heard that it has.

This thread seems like someone wants to emphasize how Jewish people have to be special among all victims of hate crimes in America!

Actually, I think it indicates the antisemitism Jews are facing.

Where are the threads about how Muslims (or other minorities like Indians getting killed for mistaken identities of being Arabs) feel in this country?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thread title is puzzling. Did the government pass any anti-Jewish laws lately? I haven't heard that it has.

This thread seems like someone wants to emphasize how Jewish people have to be special among all victims of hate crimes in America!

Actually, I think it indicates the antisemitism Jews are facing.

Where? Can you give specific examples?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thread title is puzzling. Did the government pass any anti-Jewish laws lately? I haven't heard that it has.

This thread seems like someone wants to emphasize how Jewish people have to be special among all victims of hate crimes in America!

Actually, I think it indicates the antisemitism Jews are facing.

Where are the threads about how Muslims (or other minorities like Indians getting killed for mistaken identities of being Arabs) feel in this country?

Make a thread about it and people can discuss it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thread title is puzzling. Did the government pass any anti-Jewish laws lately? I haven't heard that it has.

This thread seems like someone wants to emphasize how Jewish people have to be special among all victims of hate crimes in America!

Actually, I think it indicates the antisemitism Jews are facing.

Where? Can you give specific examples?

See, e.g., the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone had this thought. If this is really what the younger generation is like would Jewish people even have support in the US in two to three generation. Easy to scoff at these college students but they are technically the leaders of tomorrow.

So you’re saying the leaders of tomorrow with embrace antisemitism?

it is NOT antisemitism to be against israel

I agree, especial when IDF is behaving like Hamas and killing thousands innocent civilians as collateral damage.

But that isn’t what is happening. IDF is going after Hamas. Hamas is hiding among children.

No, IDF is indiscriminately bombing Gaza and killing innocents and you are okay with it because they are not Jewish (westerners).

Wrong, bot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Have you all seen what is happening to Jewish students at Cornell tonight?

Wow. This is insanity.

Very likely someone not even related to the school. Sounds like a very specific threat - bomb or mass shooter. Wouldn’t surprise me if it started on 4chan.

Glad to see that Cornell and NY state are taking these threats seriously with state police presence.

Any word if the FBI has started an investigation yet?

https://cornellsun.com/2023/10/30/gov-hochul-addresses-antisemitic-threats-at-campus-jewish-living-center/