Do conservatives want to ban transgenderism for the same reasons they want to ban abortion?

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If the GOP was the Nazis some of you claim they are, then wouldn't it be more likely that they would be for the use of hormones, puberty blockers and surgery to sterilize these "undesirables" to prevent them for further contaminating the gene pool? That's what real Nazis did to people they thought were not up to par.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

What about trans men being assaulted in prisons by cis men?

What about cis men being assaulted by prisons by cis men?

Rape is rape and should not be condoned and should be prosecuted. That is the problem. This has nothing to do with my friend's high-schooler who has decided they are non-binary. Nor all the transgender kids who are not in prison and will never be in prison.

Anyone who has been assaulted and raped in prison should be listened to and their assaulter brought to justice, whether this involves two prisoners or a prisoner and a prison official.

It's frightening that you seem to be advocating snuffing out a population because some of that population has committed horrible crimes. Is that really what you want to say? You do realize that every type of group has members of that group who have committed crimes, don't you?

The bolded is absolutely absurd. Please give me the exact quote where I advocated for what you ridiculously claim. I want precision. I am so tired of the over-the-top drama from narcissistic fools like you.

And as for the rest of your illiterate screed, it’s clear you don’t have sufficient knowledge of the prison system to even talk about it. Honestly, the narcissism from trans rights advocates is so glaring and stupid.

You don't seem concerned about all the other rapes in prison. That should be your concern. Fixing the prison system so such abuse doesn't happen, regardless of whether it's in the men's prison or women's.

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Anonymous wrote:If the GOP was the Nazis some of you claim they are, then wouldn't it be more likely that they would be for the use of hormones, puberty blockers and surgery to sterilize these "undesirables" to prevent them for further contaminating the gene pool? That's what real Nazis did to people they thought were not up to par.

They killed them. That's what their end goal was, to get rid of undesirables so they weren't a part of society. Because they wanted everyone to be the same, to follow their rigid roles regarding gender, race, and religion. And if they couldn't fit into those rigid boxes, then they had to be eliminated.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

What about trans men being assaulted in prisons by cis men?

What about cis men being assaulted by prisons by cis men?

Rape is rape and should not be condoned and should be prosecuted. That is the problem. This has nothing to do with my friend's high-schooler who has decided they are non-binary. Nor all the transgender kids who are not in prison and will never be in prison.

Anyone who has been assaulted and raped in prison should be listened to and their assaulter brought to justice, whether this involves two prisoners or a prisoner and a prison official.

It's frightening that you seem to be advocating snuffing out a population because some of that population has committed horrible crimes. Is that really what you want to say? You do realize that every type of group has members of that group who have committed crimes, don't you?

The bolded is absolutely absurd. Please give me the exact quote where I advocated for what you ridiculously claim. I want precision. I am so tired of the over-the-top drama from narcissistic fools like you.

And as for the rest of your illiterate screed, it’s clear you don’t have sufficient knowledge of the prison system to even talk about it. Honestly, the narcissism from trans rights advocates is so glaring and stupid.

FYI, I am still waiting for the exact quote from my post where I advocated for “snuffing out a population.”

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

What about trans men being assaulted in prisons by cis men?

What about cis men being assaulted by prisons by cis men?

Rape is rape and should not be condoned and should be prosecuted. That is the problem. This has nothing to do with my friend's high-schooler who has decided they are non-binary. Nor all the transgender kids who are not in prison and will never be in prison.

Anyone who has been assaulted and raped in prison should be listened to and their assaulter brought to justice, whether this involves two prisoners or a prisoner and a prison official.

It's frightening that you seem to be advocating snuffing out a population because some of that population has committed horrible crimes. Is that really what you want to say? You do realize that every type of group has members of that group who have committed crimes, don't you?

This kind of callous response is how transactivists have made so many enemies. You’re a very mean-spirited, heartless bunch. I’m rooting for you all to be taken down.

+1000

And the firing of every single doctor in the adolescent medicine department at Dell Childrens Hospital, Austin, last week is another big step in this direction.

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Anonymous wrote:If the GOP was the Nazis some of you claim they are, then wouldn't it be more likely that they would be for the use of hormones, puberty blockers and surgery to sterilize these "undesirables" to prevent them for further contaminating the gene pool? That's what real Nazis did to people they thought were not up to par.

The Nazis were perfectly fine with breeding the Aryan females and taking their children. Just like the the GOP, they were obsessed with keeping the right women in a state of constant breeding. They banned abortion for those women, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I'm not sure why conservatives have decided on "trans children" as their hill to die on this year, it's a miniscule portion of the population. Most people honestly don't care, unless they are evangelicals.

If you believe it's a "minuscule" portion of the population, you haven't set foot in a MS or HS in 10 years. Tell me you don't have kids without telling me you don't have kids.

I have kids in MS and HS. I know of only one kid who has transitioned to being non-binary. One.

It's just bizarre and peculiar, your obsession with this. How about you get obsessed with the child beauty pageants? Now there's something that is horrifying.

Also I still haven't heard a con say they agree that these bans should include any elective cosmetic surgery at all on a minor. Why not? 15 year olds should not be getting irreversible nose jobs, right?

Oh, so now gender mutilation surgery is an "elective cosmetic surgery?" Gee. And here I thought it was life-saving "medicine."

+1 Giving a teenage girl a mastectomy or a hysterectomy is in no way comparable to a nose job.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

What about trans men being assaulted in prisons by cis men?

What about cis men being assaulted by prisons by cis men?

Rape is rape and should not be condoned and should be prosecuted. That is the problem. This has nothing to do with my friend's high-schooler who has decided they are non-binary. Nor all the transgender kids who are not in prison and will never be in prison.

Anyone who has been assaulted and raped in prison should be listened to and their assaulter brought to justice, whether this involves two prisoners or a prisoner and a prison official.

It's frightening that you seem to be advocating snuffing out a population because some of that population has committed horrible crimes. Is that really what you want to say? You do realize that every type of group has members of that group who have committed crimes, don't you?

This kind of callous response is how transactivists have made so many enemies. You’re a very mean-spirited, heartless bunch. I’m rooting for you all to be taken down.

It's heartless to be concerned about rape in prison? WTF

And thanks for the threat. Typical of conservatives. That's your preferred way of dealing with people you dislike and whose views are different from your own, to "take them down." We understand your euphemism. Surprised you haven't started talking about a final solution to what you perceive to be the transgender problem or the special treatments you'd like to see imposed. Are you plotting a "major operation" to follow through with your threat?

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

What about trans men being assaulted in prisons by cis men?

What about cis men being assaulted by prisons by cis men?

Rape is rape and should not be condoned and should be prosecuted. That is the problem. This has nothing to do with my friend's high-schooler who has decided they are non-binary. Nor all the transgender kids who are not in prison and will never be in prison.

Anyone who has been assaulted and raped in prison should be listened to and their assaulter brought to justice, whether this involves two prisoners or a prisoner and a prison official.

It's frightening that you seem to be advocating snuffing out a population because some of that population has committed horrible crimes. Is that really what you want to say? You do realize that every type of group has members of that group who have committed crimes, don't you?

The bolded is absolutely absurd. Please give me the exact quote where I advocated for what you ridiculously claim. I want precision. I am so tired of the over-the-top drama from narcissistic fools like you.

And as for the rest of your illiterate screed, it’s clear you don’t have sufficient knowledge of the prison system to even talk about it. Honestly, the narcissism from trans rights advocates is so glaring and stupid.

You don't seem concerned about all the other rapes in prison. That should be your concern. Fixing the prison system so such abuse doesn't happen, regardless of whether it's in the men's prison or women's.

You are so ridiculous. You’re speaking to someone who has actually done the hard work on behalf of prisoners and immigrants to make them safe, but you’ve never lifted a lazy finger to help a single one. You have no idea what you’re talking about, that much is clear.

But please keep talking. The more people who see that your narcissism is more important to you than anyone or anything else in the world, the better. People who are just and moral are done with prioritizing feeding your infinite need for self-validation and ravenous narcissism over the safety of vulnerable populations. We all see it. Just keep talking, so we all see the horror of who you are.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

It’s f-n sports. It’s literally a game.

People who have kids in sports know how to handle it better than I do.

To be clear, you don’t care about the safety of women in prisons either because it doesn’t affect you personally. That’s your position.

Others consider that immoral.

I specifically said I don’t care about sports, and have no opinion on how trans athletes should be handled. But, sure, get back to pretending sports are holding our society together.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

What about trans men being assaulted in prisons by cis men?

What about cis men being assaulted by prisons by cis men?

Rape is rape and should not be condoned and should be prosecuted. That is the problem. This has nothing to do with my friend's high-schooler who has decided they are non-binary. Nor all the transgender kids who are not in prison and will never be in prison.

Anyone who has been assaulted and raped in prison should be listened to and their assaulter brought to justice, whether this involves two prisoners or a prisoner and a prison official.

It's frightening that you seem to be advocating snuffing out a population because some of that population has committed horrible crimes. Is that really what you want to say? You do realize that every type of group has members of that group who have committed crimes, don't you?

This kind of callous response is how transactivists have made so many enemies. You’re a very mean-spirited, heartless bunch. I’m rooting for you all to be taken down.

+1000

And the firing of every single doctor in the adolescent medicine department at Dell Childrens Hospital, Austin, last week is another big step in this direction.

Another +1000

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

It’s f-n sports. It’s literally a game.

People who have kids in sports know how to handle it better than I do.

To be clear, you don’t care about the safety of women in prisons either because it doesn’t affect you personally. That’s your position.

Others consider that immoral.

I specifically said I don’t care about sports, and have no opinion on how trans athletes should be handled. But, sure, get back to pretending sports are holding our society together.

If it hasn't dawned on you yet that we're talking about far more than sports, there really isn't a whole lot of hope for you.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

What about trans men being assaulted in prisons by cis men?

What about cis men being assaulted by prisons by cis men?

Rape is rape and should not be condoned and should be prosecuted. That is the problem. This has nothing to do with my friend's high-schooler who has decided they are non-binary. Nor all the transgender kids who are not in prison and will never be in prison.

Anyone who has been assaulted and raped in prison should be listened to and their assaulter brought to justice, whether this involves two prisoners or a prisoner and a prison official.

It's frightening that you seem to be advocating snuffing out a population because some of that population has committed horrible crimes. Is that really what you want to say? You do realize that every type of group has members of that group who have committed crimes, don't you?

The bolded is absolutely absurd. Please give me the exact quote where I advocated for what you ridiculously claim. I want precision. I am so tired of the over-the-top drama from narcissistic fools like you.

And as for the rest of your illiterate screed, it’s clear you don’t have sufficient knowledge of the prison system to even talk about it. Honestly, the narcissism from trans rights advocates is so glaring and stupid.

You don't seem concerned about all the other rapes in prison. That should be your concern. Fixing the prison system so such abuse doesn't happen, regardless of whether it's in the men's prison or women's.

Nah dude, if you are upset about the assaults occurring to males in male prisons, then you can do the work to support prison reform in men's prisons. So odd your only solution to problem of male on male prison assault is to place incarcerated males with females.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

You would have been such a Good German, PP.

Yeah, that’s what we need: one more person who thinks their poorly informed opinion matters more than those with knowledge of how it all works.

Yeah, that's what we need: one more person who keeps her head down in the face of evil, greed and corruption that is literally tearing apart the fabric of our society and ruining thousands of children's lives, all because "I don't care."

Sports are tearing apart the fabric of our country and thousand of lives are being ruined….by sports?! Sure, lady. Sure.

Are you this stupid and lacking in critical skills thinking/ reasoning in all aspects of your life, or just on DCUM?

That was the bolded part that someone was responding to. It was about trans athletes in sports, and how I don’t have an opinion, nor do I care about sports. The responses were about how is fit in in Germany, about the fabric of society, and whatever else.

Sports are a game. If you care about those games, then you can handle the trans athlete debate. Have fun. I will never give a shit about sportball.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

What about trans men being assaulted in prisons by cis men?

What about cis men being assaulted by prisons by cis men?

Rape is rape and should not be condoned and should be prosecuted. That is the problem. This has nothing to do with my friend's high-schooler who has decided they are non-binary. Nor all the transgender kids who are not in prison and will never be in prison.

Anyone who has been assaulted and raped in prison should be listened to and their assaulter brought to justice, whether this involves two prisoners or a prisoner and a prison official.

It's frightening that you seem to be advocating snuffing out a population because some of that population has committed horrible crimes. Is that really what you want to say? You do realize that every type of group has members of that group who have committed crimes, don't you?

This kind of callous response is how transactivists have made so many enemies. You’re a very mean-spirited, heartless bunch. I’m rooting for you all to be taken down.

It's heartless to be concerned about rape in prison? WTF

And thanks for the threat. Typical of conservatives. That's your preferred way of dealing with people you dislike and whose views are different from your own, to "take them down." We understand your euphemism. Surprised you haven't started talking about a final solution to what you perceive to be the transgender problem or the special treatments you'd like to see imposed. Are you plotting a "major operation" to follow through with your threat?

DP. I'm just going to ignore the threat because WTF? That's just ridiculous and over the top and they'll come back saying that they didn't mean a violent take down, they meant a kind and gentle take down that somehow protects children, and we all know it's not true.

However, one of the things that really bugs me about all of this is pretending to care about prison sexual assault. They literally used to count on men being assaulted in prison as part of the punishment of being in prison. They even made sexual jokes about trans women being in men's prisons and enjoying the experience. It's disgusting. But now that some trans women are being housed with women, all of a sudden trans women are all rapists trying to get into women's prisons so they can rape to their heart's content. (Of course they're saying this in the same breath that they tell us not to medically transition children because they will grow up not being sexually functional, so yeah, that makes sense.) And all of this is happening while they ignore the abuses of women in prison by guards and medical staff, and completely ignore what's happening in the men's prisons re: sexual assault. It's not even about documented cases of sexual violence by trans women, it's the potential of it possibly happening by someone pretending to be a trans woman, while they ignore the actual crimes that are happening in large numbers right now. They're so disgusting.