Do conservatives want to ban transgenderism for the same reasons they want to ban abortion?

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Anonymous wrote:I used to follow Buck Angel on Twitter. He is a trans man who has been very open about his opposition to some of the new age views on trans gender politics. He is against medical transition for trans youth. Trans adults have always had access to gender affirming care, including surgery. This is nothing new in the U.S. Most of the new trans issues are not about rights or access to healthcare, it's about validation. The new breed (of trans women) are only interested in validation - they NEED women and straight men to see them as women and this is part of the push to be in women's spaces. It's the reason why you don't here much about trans men. in any of these discussion.

Blaire White is a beautiful, well spoken trans woman with a pretty big following on Twitter and YouTube. She is friends with Buck Angel and they agree on many things including opposing childhood transition, no males in women's sports and other crazy things being pushed. She refers to herself as the black sheep among the transgender community because of the pushback she gets regarding her common sense stance on things. She also exposes some of the perverts who have infiltrated this community. So there are definitely normal transgender people out there who just want to live their lives in peace but unfortunately the crazy narcissistic ones including activists are the most outspoken giving the rest of the community a bad name.

Here's a video of Blaire White and Buck Angel discussing their thoughts on trans kids, puberty blockers and hrt. They are both against gender transition for kids and they themselves didn't transition until they were adults. These are the reasonable people we should be listening to not the crazy activists.

https://youtu.be/f8GtmWxKbO8

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Kind of like people seeking, oh I don’t know, understanding and middle ground?? Off with their heads!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:So much hate against trans people here. Is it coming from a place of fear or is it just political scoring? Hard to tell.

Seems to me like what’s really rising on DCUM is vicious and untrammeled misogyny. Trans people are treated with kid gloves compared to how women are treated.

This line of argument is not only tiresome but it also erases trans men. Why do you never talk about untrammeled misandry and trans men? Please explain.

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Anonymous wrote:Kind of like people seeking, oh I don’t know, understanding and middle ground?? Off with their heads!!!!

Your narcissistic need to be a victim is noted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much hate against trans people here. Is it coming from a place of fear or is it just political scoring? Hard to tell.

Seems to me like what’s really rising on DCUM is vicious and untrammeled misogyny. Trans people are treated with kid gloves compared to how women are treated.

This line of argument is not only tiresome but it also erases trans men. Why do you never talk about untrammeled misandry and trans men? Please explain.

When men are raped and killed by women at the same rate that women are raped and killed by men, we can “both sides” this conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:Kind of like people seeking, oh I don’t know, understanding and middle ground?? Off with their heads!!!!

Your narcissistic need to be a victim is noted.

Your hateful rhetoric because someone dared to not agree with every word you say thereby wrapping your so called pretend trans friends into a bottomless pit of hatred is also noted.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually one of my female friends had to have breast reduction surgery at age 17 because she was having so many back problems because of disproportionately large breasts. Allowed her to go to college and live a normal life.

It's not just trans minors folks.

My wife had this same surgery. Republicans are monsters for seeking to forbid kids from getting necessary medical treatment.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually one of my female friends had to have breast reduction surgery at age 17 because she was having so many back problems because of disproportionately large breasts. Allowed her to go to college and live a normal life.

It's not just trans minors folks.

That's a true medical issue. Removing the breasts of a healthy 17 YO female is not.

And now neither of them will be able to get it done in many places. Hope you are happy.

There used to be a time when republicans were for individual liberty

Not really. They paid lip service to it, but smoke a joint and, traditionally, the Republicans wanted to lock you up the longest.

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Anonymous wrote:Kind of like people seeking, oh I don’t know, understanding and middle ground?? Off with their heads!!!!

Your narcissistic need to be a victim is noted.

Your hateful rhetoric because someone dared to not agree with every word you say thereby wrapping your so called pretend trans friends into a bottomless pit of hatred is also noted.

You are so weird and delusional. I’m out. Can’t argue with people who live in an egotistical fantasy world like you. Maybe seek some help for your overwhelming narcissism.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kind of like people seeking, oh I don’t know, understanding and middle ground?? Off with their heads!!!!

Your narcissistic need to be a victim is noted.

Your hateful rhetoric because someone dared to not agree with every word you say thereby wrapping your so called pretend trans friends into a bottomless pit of hatred is also noted.

You are so weird and delusional. I’m out. Can’t argue with people who live in an egotistical fantasy world like you. Maybe seek some help for your overwhelming narcissism.

Weird and delusional is spewing hate about trans people and then claiming to be friends with them, and then claiming they also spew hate about trans people.

I didn’t seek an argument with you, idiot, you did, so I really don’t care if you “can argue” with me or not. As I said you can suck it.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you who seem to seriously hate trans people and want to see them eradicated or banned entirely ever spent any time with transgender people? I'm asking in good faith. Because I think we all know *any* of us can read stuff on the internet and we should be taking that with a grain of salt. At least I hope we know that.

"Studies" only get you so far. They don't get you into the families' decision-making process, the work they do with the counselors and doctors and the whole team of people. It's a massively long process.

But either way, I know (closely) three trans people. They are happy, well-adjusted adults who just want to live their lives free of fear and hate. I don't know why people feel the need to spread such hate. Saying "except she's a he" is just hate.

I fully, 100% appreciate the concerns around how far children should be able to transition, or what the level of care is, but when you ban all "gender affirming care" you ban counseling, discussions with medical professionals, etc. They're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. What do you people expect children with gender dysphoria to do exactly? Wallow in their misery and grief? What is the plan for them? What do you propose that's actually within your level of acceptance? I'm not a trans activist by any stretch, and I see the issues that are occurring but they're occurring because we're shutting down all conversation and turning this into a zero sum game. What is the pathway forward for a child who has gender dysphoria?

The vanishingly rare cases of gender dysphoria among children need intensive therapy.

But isn't that therapy addressing gender, which is the "baby being thrown out with the bath water." The bans are also banning that. Unless you're referring to some sort of trans conversion therapy? Because otherwise, intensive therapy is part of gender-affirming care which is now prohibited in a lot of places.

Link to the law banning therapy for children alleged to have gender dysphoria.

I already know the answer because, surprise, I’m a lawyer. I’ve personally read all the bills that have passed. Absolutely no law whatsoever passed to ban administering wrong-sex hormones and surgeries to children is also banning gender therapy. In fact, most of these laws expressly state that therapy must be the FIRST line of treatment for children. Your activist lies are a disgrace.

The people seeking to ban therapy are you gender liars who claim that any kind of therapy interrogating a child’s alleged belief that they are a different sex amounts to “conversion therapy.” Your transgender lobby has so badly reduced the role of therapists that they are now banned in many states and some countries from providing therapy to alleged gender dysphoric children. All they can do under YOUR side’s rules is affirm and summarily provide a letter sending the child to the local doctor (really, butcher) for puberty blockers, hormones, and surgeries.

When you need to lie in order to gin up undeserved sympathy for your position, then you know you’re on the wrong side.

+1

I have lost patience with the liars. And the mealy-mouthed PP is among the worst.

You don’t need our permission to hate. Knock yourself out. It won’t stop yourself though. That’s going to be with you forever.

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It is remarkable how “hate” to trans activists means “anything I might even slightly disagree with.” Like you have to fully, 100% support everything any trans activist says or you are “hateful.” If you don’t support giving transwomen drugs to induce lactation that regular women aren’t given because when regular women take those drugs, it’s not safe for babies, you are “supporting trans genocide” or something equally absurd.

It’s ridiculous, entitled behavior and people see through it, which is why the activists are seething and angry.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you who seem to seriously hate trans people and want to see them eradicated or banned entirely ever spent any time with transgender people? I'm asking in good faith. Because I think we all know *any* of us can read stuff on the internet and we should be taking that with a grain of salt. At least I hope we know that.

"Studies" only get you so far. They don't get you into the families' decision-making process, the work they do with the counselors and doctors and the whole team of people. It's a massively long process.

But either way, I know (closely) three trans people. They are happy, well-adjusted adults who just want to live their lives free of fear and hate. I don't know why people feel the need to spread such hate. Saying "except she's a he" is just hate.

I fully, 100% appreciate the concerns around how far children should be able to transition, or what the level of care is, but when you ban all "gender affirming care" you ban counseling, discussions with medical professionals, etc. They're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. What do you people expect children with gender dysphoria to do exactly? Wallow in their misery and grief? What is the plan for them? What do you propose that's actually within your level of acceptance? I'm not a trans activist by any stretch, and I see the issues that are occurring but they're occurring because we're shutting down all conversation and turning this into a zero sum game. What is the pathway forward for a child who has gender dysphoria?

The vanishingly rare cases of gender dysphoria among children need intensive therapy.

+1000

Loved through it, and helped to come to terms with reality. I will never be a 6'9" black male, no matter how much I would love to be one. My options are to accept that and work with what I have, or wallow in misery for the rest of my life. I know which I'm choosing. But then, I had a strong family and parents who actually guided me in life and taught me that no, I can't be "anything" that I want to be.

+1000 Learning how to accept yourself is the most important part of emotional maturity. It’s not easy, but that’s no reason to give into a child’s whims and go on a flight of fancy with him or her.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you who seem to seriously hate trans people and want to see them eradicated or banned entirely ever spent any time with transgender people? I'm asking in good faith. Because I think we all know *any* of us can read stuff on the internet and we should be taking that with a grain of salt. At least I hope we know that.

"Studies" only get you so far. They don't get you into the families' decision-making process, the work they do with the counselors and doctors and the whole team of people. It's a massively long process.

But either way, I know (closely) three trans people. They are happy, well-adjusted adults who just want to live their lives free of fear and hate. I don't know why people feel the need to spread such hate. Saying "except she's a he" is just hate.

I fully, 100% appreciate the concerns around how far children should be able to transition, or what the level of care is, but when you ban all "gender affirming care" you ban counseling, discussions with medical professionals, etc. They're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. What do you people expect children with gender dysphoria to do exactly? Wallow in their misery and grief? What is the plan for them? What do you propose that's actually within your level of acceptance? I'm not a trans activist by any stretch, and I see the issues that are occurring but they're occurring because we're shutting down all conversation and turning this into a zero sum game. What is the pathway forward for a child who has gender dysphoria?

No offense, but trans people asked for this - they created this backlash. Transexuals were living their lives quietly until the young and bored trans activists suddenly wanted unfettered access to women's spaces. Then they wanted kids to have unfettered access to medical transition. The movement got baited by the GOP and you and others didn't see it coming. You asked for the baby and the bath water and it seems you might lose both.

No, they just wanted to use the bathroom in peace, and the GOP started making laws so they could be the new group it was acceptable to be mean to. Blaming the victim, using outdated language considered offensive by many in the community...it's clear you're not actually concerned about the trans community-you're just justifying your intolerance.

The language is outdated to you while others still use and embrace it.

They demanded to use the bathroom based on their perceived gender - that's not the same as wanting to use the bathroom in peace. Asking women to kowtow to men's demands does not engender peace - it adds fuel to the fire of an ongoing war against women.
No, I am not concerned about the trans community - I care about women being subjected to men in spaces traditionally sex segregated (jails, bathrooms, sports, shelters, etc).

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Anonymous wrote:It is remarkable how “hate” to trans activists means “anything I might even slightly disagree with.” Like you have to fully, 100% support everything any trans activist says or you are “hateful.” If you don’t support giving transwomen drugs to induce lactation that regular women aren’t given because when regular women take those drugs, it’s not safe for babies, you are “supporting trans genocide” or something equally absurd.

It’s ridiculous, entitled behavior and people see through it, which is why the activists are seething and angry.

Yup, there’s a word for it: cowardice.

Easy to play victim and pretend everyone who points out serious weaknesses in your beliefs that you can’t refute is “hateful.” Much harder to admit your beliefs are terribly flawed.

Trans activists are experts at taking the easy way out.