Do conservatives want to ban transgenderism for the same reasons they want to ban abortion?

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

You are an absolute angel. People like the unbelievable narcissists in this thread are why I finally woke up. The idea that I should let some crazed men deploy their male bodies and male privilege, with the support of male-dominated institutions, to exploit and silence women because they’ve not personally molested me is so disgusting to me.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

You would have been such a Good German, PP.

Yeah, that’s what we need: one more person who thinks their poorly informed opinion matters more than those with knowledge of how it all works.

Yeah, that's what we need: one more person who keeps her head down in the face of evil, greed and corruption that is literally tearing apart the fabric of our society and ruining thousands of children's lives, all because "I don't care."

Sports are tearing apart the fabric of our country and thousand of lives are being ruined….by sports?! Sure, lady. Sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I'm not sure why conservatives have decided on "trans children" as their hill to die on this year, it's a miniscule portion of the population. Most people honestly don't care, unless they are evangelicals.

If you believe it's a "minuscule" portion of the population, you haven't set foot in a MS or HS in 10 years. Tell me you don't have kids without telling me you don't have kids.

I have kids in MS and HS. I know of only one kid who has transitioned to being non-binary. One.

It's just bizarre and peculiar, your obsession with this. How about you get obsessed with the child beauty pageants? Now there's something that is horrifying.

Also I still haven't heard a con say they agree that these bans should include any elective cosmetic surgery at all on a minor. Why not? 15 year olds should not be getting irreversible nose jobs, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I'm not sure why conservatives have decided on "trans children" as their hill to die on this year, it's a miniscule portion of the population. Most people honestly don't care, unless they are evangelicals.

If you believe it's a "minuscule" portion of the population, you haven't set foot in a MS or HS in 10 years. Tell me you don't have kids without telling me you don't have kids.

I have kids in MS and HS. I know of only one kid who has transitioned to being non-binary. One.

It's just bizarre and peculiar, your obsession with this. How about you get obsessed with the child beauty pageants? Now there's something that is horrifying.

Also I still haven't heard a con say they agree that these bans should include any elective cosmetic surgery at all on a minor. Why not? 15 year olds should not be getting irreversible nose jobs, right?

I can’t believe I know this, but several conservative commentators like Matt Walsh have come out in favor of banning child beauty pageants and cosmetic surgery on minors, if it comes with the package of banning trans surgery and medication for minors as well. This isn’t the gotcha you think it is.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

It’s f-n sports. It’s literally a game.

People who have kids in sports know how to handle it better than I do.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

What about trans men being assaulted in prisons by cis men?

What about cis men being assaulted by prisons by cis men?

Rape is rape and should not be condoned and should be prosecuted. That is the problem. This has nothing to do with my friend's high-schooler who has decided they are non-binary. Nor all the transgender kids who are not in prison and will never be in prison.

Anyone who has been assaulted and raped in prison should be listened to and their assaulter brought to justice, whether this involves two prisoners or a prisoner and a prison official.

It's frightening that you seem to be advocating snuffing out a population because some of that population has committed horrible crimes. Is that really what you want to say? You do realize that every type of group has members of that group who have committed crimes, don't you?

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

You would have been such a Good German, PP.

Yeah, that’s what we need: one more person who thinks their poorly informed opinion matters more than those with knowledge of how it all works.

Yeah, that's what we need: one more person who keeps her head down in the face of evil, greed and corruption that is literally tearing apart the fabric of our society and ruining thousands of children's lives, all because "I don't care."

Sports are tearing apart the fabric of our country and thousand of lives are being ruined….by sports?! Sure, lady. Sure.

Are you this stupid and lacking in critical skills thinking/ reasoning in all aspects of your life, or just on DCUM?

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

You are an absolute angel. People like the unbelievable narcissists in this thread are why I finally woke up. The idea that I should let some crazed men deploy their male bodies and male privilege, with the support of male-dominated institutions, to exploit and silence women because they’ve not personally molested me is so disgusting to me.

It is disgusting. Of course, I suppose it is not surprising that prison systems would privilege the rights of male-bodied individuals over female-bodied individuals. There is a very long, ugly, and violent history of that privilege in practice. This is just another facet of that heritage of vicious misogyny in the prison system.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, I'm not sure why conservatives have decided on "trans children" as their hill to die on this year, it's a miniscule portion of the population. Most people honestly don't care, unless they are evangelicals.

If you believe it's a "minuscule" portion of the population, you haven't set foot in a MS or HS in 10 years. Tell me you don't have kids without telling me you don't have kids.

I have kids in MS and HS. I know of only one kid who has transitioned to being non-binary. One.

It's just bizarre and peculiar, your obsession with this. How about you get obsessed with the child beauty pageants? Now there's something that is horrifying.

Also I still haven't heard a con say they agree that these bans should include any elective cosmetic surgery at all on a minor. Why not? 15 year olds should not be getting irreversible nose jobs, right?

Oh, so now gender mutilation surgery is an "elective cosmetic surgery?" Gee. And here I thought it was life-saving "medicine."

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

Of course you are absolutely right. Let me rephrase that:

So, you advocate that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, which cause sterilization and castration when administered to pre- pubescents, are appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

Let me understand. You would prefer politicians, elected by a voter base that has a demonstrably tenuous grip on reality, be responsible for making these decisions for all individuals. You would prefer that laws affecting real families and having real impacts on real people be decided by spin doctors guided by whatever will spin up their hateful base, instead of by real doctors guided by science and loving adults who are in the best position to assess the individual circumstances and weigh the costs and benefits. Do I understand that correctly? You want to stick yourself in another family’s business to “defend kids” that you don’t care about in any other context. Do I got that right?

NP. You’re very sneaky and disingenuous. As the public profit assessments that hospitals have conducted indicate, incredible sums are being made from administering unnecessary medications and performing unnecessary procedures on alleged “trans” youths and the projections are sky high. You know full well that hospitals and doctors cannot be trusted to self-regulate—indeed, no profession can be trusted to self-regulate—whenever their profits conflict with their judgment. We learned this during the opioid epidemic, which doctors created, we learned this during the thalidomide scandal, and we learned this through countless tragic examples before.

Moreover, the only reason people like you advocate for doctors to be left as sole decision makers here is because you know that transgender billionaires like Pritzker and Martina Rothblatt and powerful lobby groups like GLAAD and HRC have spent tens of millions to capture American medical organizations. That is why American medical organizations continue to parrot the false talking point that “gender, affirming” medicine is proven and safe when every other medical body on every other continent pumps the brakes as soon as they examine the nonexistent literature and realize a fraud is being perpetrated. You have confidence in the culture of fear and silence your cronies have created in the American medical establishment, such that hardly any American doctor dares speak up against this unfolding scandal of administering unnecessary medicine and surgeries to youths on demand.

To say that American doctors should be left as a sole decision makers here is to say that the activist who are steering the ship are to be left as sole decision makers. Nope. Never. Ever. Thankfully, more and more states are seeing through your sham arguments. You can scream genocide all you want, but your grift is at an end.

All these studies? Please cite to them. So far I’m seeing a lot of false concern and religious-based crap aimed at propagating a myth about female inferiority. And a whole lot of triggered conservatives who are obsessed with kids’ private parts and where they go to the bathroom. I get it- you’re scared to death your son might decide he’s a girly man or you’ll have to correct a pronoun and then you’ll have to question your whole life. But that’s a you problem and you need to deal with it. We live in a supposedly free country- people are going to make choices you’re going to disagree with, and you need to deal with instead of resorting to government violence.

And yes, many doctors do make money, it’s the nature of a for-profit healthcare system. Oncologists, for example, make a lot of money selling expensive treatments that may or may work and that often come with severe, possibly life-shortening side effects. Trump decided people should have the “right to try”. I agree with that. Not my body, not my call. Understood?

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

What about trans men being assaulted in prisons by cis men?

What about cis men being assaulted by prisons by cis men?

Rape is rape and should not be condoned and should be prosecuted. That is the problem. This has nothing to do with my friend's high-schooler who has decided they are non-binary. Nor all the transgender kids who are not in prison and will never be in prison.

Anyone who has been assaulted and raped in prison should be listened to and their assaulter brought to justice, whether this involves two prisoners or a prisoner and a prison official.

It's frightening that you seem to be advocating snuffing out a population because some of that population has committed horrible crimes. Is that really what you want to say? You do realize that every type of group has members of that group who have committed crimes, don't you?

The bolded is absolutely absurd. Please give me the exact quote where I advocated for what you ridiculously claim. I want precision. I am so tired of the over-the-top drama from narcissistic fools like you.

And as for the rest of your illiterate screed, it’s clear you don’t have sufficient knowledge of the prison system to even talk about it. Honestly, the narcissism from trans rights advocates is so glaring and stupid.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

It’s f-n sports. It’s literally a game.

People who have kids in sports know how to handle it better than I do.

To be clear, you don’t care about the safety of women in prisons either because it doesn’t affect you personally. That’s your position.

Others consider that immoral.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

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I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

What about trans men being assaulted in prisons by cis men?

What about cis men being assaulted by prisons by cis men?

Rape is rape and should not be condoned and should be prosecuted. That is the problem. This has nothing to do with my friend's high-schooler who has decided they are non-binary. Nor all the transgender kids who are not in prison and will never be in prison.

Anyone who has been assaulted and raped in prison should be listened to and their assaulter brought to justice, whether this involves two prisoners or a prisoner and a prison official.

It's frightening that you seem to be advocating snuffing out a population because some of that population has committed horrible crimes. Is that really what you want to say? You do realize that every type of group has members of that group who have committed crimes, don't you?

This kind of callous response is how transactivists have made so many enemies. You’re a very mean-spirited, heartless bunch. I’m rooting for you all to be taken down.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

Of course you are absolutely right. Let me rephrase that:

So, you advocate that puberty blockers and cross sex hormones, which cause sterilization and castration when administered to pre- pubescents, are appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

The effects of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones have many damaging effects on the body. The truth is every cell in your body is programed with either XY or XX chromosomes and is designed to receive certain hormones. It's only common sense that disrupting this balance in the body can have detrimental effects....Dramatic increase risk of heart attack, stroke, osteoporosis, premature death etc. There are stories of kids who experienced bone fractures after being put on puberty blockers due to the osteoporosis. Testosterone can cause uterine atrophy and in some cases will require a hysterectomy down the road. I also suspect we will see transmen with much higher rates of dementia at a young age because estrogen is a protective factor. Testosterone will also cause bladder changes in females. A doctor once said their 20 year old patient had a bladder of an 80 year old woman due to these effects. Puberty is an essential part of the development especially the brain. By taking puberty blockers this brain development does not happen. Lower IQ and other effects will be permanent. Puberty blockers will also lead to immature genitalia so if they decide to undergo SRS down the road there won't be enough penile tissue to work with. This is what happened in Jazz Jennings case. It can also lead to the inability to ever experience an orgasm. So please tell me how a child can possibly consent to all of this and all of the other unknowns regarding this treatment since we don't have the longterm studies yet? And how can a child consent to losing the ability to experience sexual pleasure and the ability to have children?

Research has shown older trans adults have a higher risk of dementia and this number will only grow in time and will probably start affecting people at younger ages. With dementia some of these individuals forget they transitioned and will go back to identifying with their birth sex. They may be alarmed and distressed by their bodies and will keep asking who cut off their penis, and why, if they have had that surgery. They don't understand why they would have been thought of as female.

So now we're talking about trans adults and they shouldn't be allowed to transition?

Also, the bolded part, nice story Larla. All I would feel is relief. I've known I was trans since I was a small child. It wouldn't matter if I forgot all my memories back to childhood.

No one is saying trans adults shouldn't transition but to pretend it comes without risk is naive and medically incorrect. You can educate yourself and read about dementia and transgender people if you think it is just a made up story. Here is one article discussing dementia care for transgender patients....

"As dementia progresses a person may not recall their current gender and they may see themselves being pre-transition and be surprised at the physical changes to their bodies. This can result in them becoming very disorientated and anxious. They may not understand why they are being referred to as being a certain gender as they cannot recall publicly voicing this preference."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-43365446

These are guidelines based on speculation. Given that many late in life transitioners report life-long dysphoria, I doubt their changed gender status is going to be a significant issue beyond the other significant anxieties and disorientation that are inherent to the disease.

But again, a potential increased risk of dementia in old age is a factor individuals can consider, with their trusted medical professionals, in deciding whether and how to pursue treatment for their medical issue.

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No, it's a ridiculous irrelevance. Viagra is for adults, or did you not know that?

Different gender-affirming medical care is appropriate at different stages of life. It is never appropriate for politicians—whether or not they understand that they are huffing QAnon glue—to decide what medical care is appropriate at what stage.

So, you advocate that surgical castration and sterilization is appropriate for minor children. Do I have that correct?

You know not all gender affirming care is surgical, right? That’s a small piece of the puzzle, and you folks are acting like trans 6 year olds are all getting sex reassignment surgery. If you could just deal in reality, this would be an easier conversation for everyone.

So that ANY minors are being subjected to this is fine with you, as long as it’s not widespread? Is that what you’re saying? Just trying to understand your weak, twisted morals.

I’m not a doctor, but I believe some treatment would be appropriate for some minors. It would have to be a later step after a social transition and lots of mental health care, which is what is called for by experts, iirc. It does seem wrong to me to offer things like breast augmentation and breast reduction to some minors, but not to trans minors. Intersex children have been getting gender changing care for a very long time. An adult chooses which sex seems appropriate, and treatment is started very early. A percentage of these kids later detransition because they don’t identify with the gender their parents and doctors chose for them.

Circumcision is widely accepted, even though I believe the whole things seems rather barbaric. I’ve only ever had girls, so I stay in my own lane. Similarly, I don’t have kids in sports, and I don’t care about sports. I don’t have an opinion on trans athletes because I don’t care. People affected, and people who know more than me will sort that out.

NP.

I won’t ever be impacted by prison policies. I do not know anyone affected by prison policies. But I came to my current position that gender ideology is at heart an ideology rooted in misogyny because I was doing work on expungement, asylum, and immigrant rights as a volunteer. I have spent years working to help people who are impacted by policies that will never impact me. I get that you don’t care about people other than your immediate family, but we aren’t all like that.

In the course of that work, I started to hear stories years ago. Women being assaulted, women being hurt, but the prison system and the immigrant detention system standing firmly with the rapists. I mean, that’s not unusual for the prison/immigration system—I can tell you horror stories about abuse of inmates/refugees that have nothing to do with trans ideology—but what was different here was the extent to which the prison system protected the trans women in women’s prison. Women weren’t just prevented from telling their stories, they experienced the additional and new horror of being told that sharing their stories of assault and rape was transphobic. They are victimized even further than they have been in the past. And the media, typically happy to report on stories of prison abuse, won’t touch their stories. They are alone in the system, with the safety of their rapists and assaulters protected above their own.

I’ve traditionally been liberal. I mean, I have spent years working on very liberal causes as a volunteer. But I can’t call myself a liberal any more because of the sharp dive into misogyny that liberals have taken. I am of course not conservative. But as a woman who has spent years trying to make the world a better place for vulnerable people, especially women, it’s clear to me I don’t have a home with liberals any more. Hatred of women is now the political rule of the day for both major political parties. I am politically homeless.

But I get it, you don’t care because it doesn’t affect you.

What about trans men being assaulted in prisons by cis men?

What about cis men being assaulted by prisons by cis men?

Rape is rape and should not be condoned and should be prosecuted. That is the problem. This has nothing to do with my friend's high-schooler who has decided they are non-binary. Nor all the transgender kids who are not in prison and will never be in prison.

Anyone who has been assaulted and raped in prison should be listened to and their assaulter brought to justice, whether this involves two prisoners or a prisoner and a prison official.

It's frightening that you seem to be advocating snuffing out a population because some of that population has committed horrible crimes. Is that really what you want to say? You do realize that every type of group has members of that group who have committed crimes, don't you?

This kind of callous response is how transactivists have made so many enemies. You’re a very mean-spirited, heartless bunch. I’m rooting for you all to be taken down.

I think that’s quite clear in how rabidly you have been attacking trans adults and children. Tell me, do you wish for their deaths? Or just that the government curb stomp them? Does it make you feel better about yourself to think of them suffering so you don’t have to be bothered with things like pronouns?