Hayfield Football Coach Fired

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:My wife asked last night so I think the teams should boycott and forfeit

I’m on the fence, I get it, you’re taking an ethical and moral stand here

On the other hand, you play you lose you lose what if you play hayfield and you win

I rather think the southeast VA schools will take hayfield to school in the larger bracket that’s just my thinking

I will say again that if all the games were played this week and hayfield lost the dec 4 hearing won’t happen

If they win it will still happen but it could still end with them continuing to play.

When is the state final, I thought it was always first week of December but now it’ll be a week later because of this round happening a week later correct

So I guess my thought is this. Get to the 12/4 hearing and hayfield has what 1 maybe 2 more games…does anyone really think the court says no no no you can’t play seems unlikely to be honest.

Anyway this is all very entertaining, I guess I’m at the point where I’m a bit more just play the damn games already and settle this stuff on the field. You don’t think those other seven teams and coaches and the down south schools won’t go for blood. I know they will maybe they lose but I don’t think anyone is looking at their team and saying be scared, I’m think they’re all telling their team if we play them they hurt us the first time now let’s go kick their ass, shut them up, and send them packing. Then for your basketball and other sport players when you hit the fields or the mat the track the court you play hayfield this year and you bring the hurt as payback. You let those other hayfield athletes know it’s not personal but it’s about sending a message to the people in charge about what’s right and what’s wrong.

I was already to clap at this until this. Let's hurt those Hayfield lacrosse girls because of what the boys did in football sounds ridiculous and like a child. But I support everything else you're saying.

You need to realize the “Hayfield” name is stained b/c of this. It extends beyond football, even to academics. That is why the principal must be fired. He/she/they is derelict for not firing Overton at least when the ban came from VHSL.

There is a massive difference between firing an administrator and implying it's OK to play dirty against the Hayfield girls lacrosse team, or any other Hayfield team, because of the actions of others at their school. That's the definition of fighting fire with fire.

The way to deal with unsportsmanlike conduct is to given consequences to the actual offenders and have everyone else recommit to sportsmanship as a principal.

I am not the PP that said “bring the hurt back”, even though I think that is likely metaphorical.

But, I am trying to give you the perspective that the “Hayfield” brand is damaged. I don’t know the Principals’s name, but I know Overton’s. Hayfield is Overton in public’s eyes, unless there is an immediate public repudiation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS absolutely has had their outside law firm and their $900/hour lawyer Cafferky deeply involved since Hayfield got the letter from VHSL at the end of October. Hope someone FOIA's their legal bills when this is over.

It is not a coincidence that the plaintiffs just happened to hire the same lawyer FCPS had been using against VHSL.

And that in court he kept saying “we” and then having to correcting himself to say FCPS when he remembered he was supposed to be parent counsel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Hayfield's record was 3-7 (see Robinson Secondary School), nobody would care. There would be no complaints, protests, Gatehouse mobs, press hysteria. But, because they are whipping azz, y'all stay mad.

Stop. You know everyone cared before the season even started. Why did FCPS do an internal investigation if no one cared? If FCPS would have done a independent investigation from the get go, like they should have, that may have been Hayfields record.

It may not have had so many eyes back in April-Aug timeframe but it does now because they messed up. Point. Blank. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Hayfield's record was 3-7 (see Robinson Secondary School), nobody would care. There would be no complaints, protests, Gatehouse mobs, press hysteria. But, because they are whipping azz, y'all stay mad.

Stop. You know everyone cared before the season even started. Why did FCPS do an internal investigation if no one cared? If FCPS would have done a independent investigation from the get go, like they should have, that may have been Hayfields record.

It may not have had so many eyes back in April-Aug timeframe but it does now because they messed up. Point. Blank. Period.

+1

The first thread here on DCUM about this was in June. The Defender article also starts about issues early this year.

[Anonymous]

I hope one of the coaches present recorded the meeting last night. It was three hours long!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My wife asked last night so I think the teams should boycott and forfeit

I’m on the fence, I get it, you’re taking an ethical and moral stand here

On the other hand, you play you lose you lose what if you play hayfield and you win

I rather think the southeast VA schools will take hayfield to school in the larger bracket that’s just my thinking

I will say again that if all the games were played this week and hayfield lost the dec 4 hearing won’t happen

If they win it will still happen but it could still end with them continuing to play.

When is the state final, I thought it was always first week of December but now it’ll be a week later because of this round happening a week later correct

So I guess my thought is this. Get to the 12/4 hearing and hayfield has what 1 maybe 2 more games…does anyone really think the court says no no no you can’t play seems unlikely to be honest.

Anyway this is all very entertaining, I guess I’m at the point where I’m a bit more just play the damn games already and settle this stuff on the field. You don’t think those other seven teams and coaches and the down south schools won’t go for blood. I know they will maybe they lose but I don’t think anyone is looking at their team and saying be scared, I’m think they’re all telling their team if we play them they hurt us the first time now let’s go kick their ass, shut them up, and send them packing. Then for your basketball and other sport players when you hit the fields or the mat the track the court you play hayfield this year and you bring the hurt as payback. You let those other hayfield athletes know it’s not personal but it’s about sending a message to the people in charge about what’s right and what’s wrong.

I was already to clap at this until this. Let's hurt those Hayfield lacrosse girls because of what the boys did in football sounds ridiculous and like a child. But I support everything else you're saying.

They play in the weakest district by far. Not even close. In other sports they steamroll until the playoffs and then get absolutely smacked. Happens every year, every sport, and this is the first year it won’t happen to their football team.

A legit smackdown is fine. I was talking about the poster suggesting to take their anger towards Hayfield football on other Hayfield sport teams including female ones. It is crazy for an adult to say.

I do think other coaches of other sports will absolutely keep the foot on the gas vs them, and they should. Keep shooting three’s up 25. Keep stealing bases.

I can't imagine the coach I know whose team will play Hayfield in spring would condone that sort of unsportsmanlike conduct. He has integrity and cares about developing good people through sports. I hope all of the rest of Hayfield's opponents do too.

Do you want your daughter punished because of the actions of a bunch of males who have nothing to do with her? That's insane.

Playing hard is one thing. Stealing bases when you're up by 15 and not bringing in that 3rd string pitcher who normally doesn't get game innings is dumb for the development of your team (not that this would happen when playing against Hayfield diamond sports teams, both of which are strong programs).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Hayfield's record was 3-7 (see Robinson Secondary School), nobody would care. There would be no complaints, protests, Gatehouse mobs, press hysteria. But, because they are whipping azz, y'all stay mad.

Stop. You know everyone cared before the season even started. Why did FCPS do an internal investigation if no one cared? If FCPS would have done a independent investigation from the get go, like they should have, that may have been Hayfields record.

It may not have had so many eyes back in April-Aug timeframe but it does now because they messed up. Point. Blank. Period.

DP here
Correct. There was even a thread here over the summer (I think it started in June? I'd have to do a search...) long before the season started. That thread was eventually locked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope one of the coaches present recorded the meeting last night. It was three hours long!

Do meetings like that have to be recorded? Or so long as no record, don’t ever have to disclose anything?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Hayfield's record was 3-7 (see Robinson Secondary School), nobody would care. There would be no complaints, protests, Gatehouse mobs, press hysteria. But, because they are whipping azz, y'all stay mad.

Stop. You know everyone cared before the season even started. Why did FCPS do an internal investigation if no one cared? If FCPS would have done a independent investigation from the get go, like they should have, that may have been Hayfields record.

It may not have had so many eyes back in April-Aug timeframe but it does now because they messed up. Point. Blank. Period.

DP here
Correct. There was even a thread here over the summer (I think it started in June? I'd have to do a search...) long before the season started. That thread was eventually locked.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1212200.page

Yep. Here it is. Started on June 21

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS absolutely has had their outside law firm and their $900/hour lawyer Cafferky deeply involved since Hayfield got the letter from VHSL at the end of October. Hope someone FOIA's their legal bills when this is over.

It is not a coincidence that the plaintiffs just happened to hire the same lawyer FCPS had been using against VHSL.

And that in court he kept saying “we” and then having to correcting himself to say FCPS when he remembered he was supposed to be parent counsel

It’s not just billable hours, it’s time spent on this when there are much bigger issues in our county. She’s trash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha you think boys' lacrosse is a soft sport? You obviously don't know shit about lacrosse. Speaking of Robinson, you should have seen Robinson's boys team this past spring. They dominated everyone, were undefeated and easily won States.

Maybe the lacrosse players should MAN UP and put on some shoulder pads and a helmet. Then your football team won't finish with a 3-7 record and sob crocodile tears how they are being cheated out of a playoff spot. Ha ha!

Boys lacrosse players DO wear helmets and shoulder pads, dummy. You don't know shit about shit.

Yeah, sure. They run around in their booty shorts carrying strung-up fishing nets. And spend hours in the mirror making sure that their hair flow is perfect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Hayfield's record was 3-7 (see Robinson Secondary School), nobody would care. There would be no complaints, protests, Gatehouse mobs, press hysteria. But, because they are whipping azz, y'all stay mad.

Stop. You know everyone cared before the season even started. Why did FCPS do an internal investigation if no one cared? If FCPS would have done a independent investigation from the get go, like they should have, that may have been Hayfields record.

It may not have had so many eyes back in April-Aug timeframe but it does now because they messed up. Point. Blank. Period.

DP here
Correct. There was even a thread here over the summer (I think it started in June? I'd have to do a search...) long before the season started. That thread was eventually locked.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1212200.page

Yep. Here it is. Started on June 21

DP. I remember seeing that thread. It seemed insane and OP didn't get a lot of positive responses, there were a lot of attacks saying that was impossible, no one would do that.

But someone did. A coach and a whole football team did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My wife asked last night so I think the teams should boycott and forfeit

I’m on the fence, I get it, you’re taking an ethical and moral stand here

On the other hand, you play you lose you lose what if you play hayfield and you win

I rather think the southeast VA schools will take hayfield to school in the larger bracket that’s just my thinking

I will say again that if all the games were played this week and hayfield lost the dec 4 hearing won’t happen

If they win it will still happen but it could still end with them continuing to play.

When is the state final, I thought it was always first week of December but now it’ll be a week later because of this round happening a week later correct

So I guess my thought is this. Get to the 12/4 hearing and hayfield has what 1 maybe 2 more games…does anyone really think the court says no no no you can’t play seems unlikely to be honest.

Anyway this is all very entertaining, I guess I’m at the point where I’m a bit more just play the damn games already and settle this stuff on the field[u]. You don’t think those other seven teams and coaches and the down south schools won’t go for blood. I know they will maybe they lose but I don’t think anyone is looking at their team and saying be scared, I’m think they’re all telling their team if we play them they hurt us the first time now let’s go kick their ass, shut them up, and send them packing. Then for your basketball and other sport players when you hit the fields or the mat the track the court you play hayfield this year and you bring the hurt as payback. You let those other hayfield athletes know it’s not personal but it’s about sending a message to the people in charge about what’s right and what’s wrong.

You are missing the whole point. For fun sake lets say "Let them play" Ok let the players who are legit Hayfield students play i.e. the ones who didn't transfer for the coach. I would be okay with that. but that's not the case. You break the rules and recruit and lie and all the other trash moves you made, you don't get rewarded for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My wife asked last night so I think the teams should boycott and forfeit

I’m on the fence, I get it, you’re taking an ethical and moral stand here

On the other hand, you play you lose you lose what if you play hayfield and you win

I rather think the southeast VA schools will take hayfield to school in the larger bracket that’s just my thinking

I will say again that if all the games were played this week and hayfield lost the dec 4 hearing won’t happen

If they win it will still happen but it could still end with them continuing to play.

When is the state final, I thought it was always first week of December but now it’ll be a week later because of this round happening a week later correct

So I guess my thought is this. Get to the 12/4 hearing and hayfield has what 1 maybe 2 more games…does anyone really think the court says no no no you can’t play seems unlikely to be honest.

Anyway this is all very entertaining, I guess I’m at the point where I’m a bit more just play the damn games already and settle this stuff on the field[u]. You don’t think those other seven teams and coaches and the down south schools won’t go for blood. I know they will maybe they lose but I don’t think anyone is looking at their team and saying be scared, I’m think they’re all telling their team if we play them they hurt us the first time now let’s go kick their ass, shut them up, and send them packing. Then for your basketball and other sport players when you hit the fields or the mat the track the court you play hayfield this year and you bring the hurt as payback. You let those other hayfield athletes know it’s not personal but it’s about sending a message to the people in charge about what’s right and what’s wrong.

You are missing the whole point. For fun sake lets say "Let them play" Ok let the players who are legit Hayfield students play i.e. the ones who didn't transfer for the coach. I would be okay with that. but that's not the case. You break the rules and recruit and lie and all the other trash moves you made, you don't get rewarded for that.

+1

Teams this year will win or lose. Next year, if Hayfield's shenanigans are allowed to be decided "on the field", then other coaches and teams will be given the green light to go ahead and do the same. This will affect public high school sports all over the area, all over the state. Rules are rules for a reason, not just for one team but for the sport, for all sports.

[Anonymous]

Did anyone ever FOIA how many kids declared themselves homeless last year and this year at Hayfield?