Hayfield Football Coach Fired

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, what can FCPS do at this point? Can FCPS kick Hayfield back out of the playoffs?

Nothing. These HS principals, coaches, and parents are working off emotion. I don't have a dog in this fight but FCPS can't do anything now. A court has ruled on the injunctuon. If FCPS tries to act they will just be sued too. The time for FCPS to act was earlier. Now they have to wait until Dec. 4 like everyone else.

FCPS could conduct a real investigation, but they won't. The schools could boycott the playoff games.

That also costs money I as a parent prefer they not spend because my girls go to a FCPS school. Football impacts a small subset of the FCPS population who don't want money going towards an investigation. If Fairfax City who called on it wants to fund it then sure, do the investigation.

They are going to be forced to at some point with all the outcry. You can thank them for not doing it when this first was brought to light. It's going to cost more with all the stuff that has come out since this started.

Outcry does not equal standing. I think if the Judge rules on Dec. 4 that Hayfield is out then it's over and FCPS does not have to spend a dime. If the judge rules on Dec. 4 that Hayfield is in then some aggrieved other team can appeal but this is a Hayfield parent case not a FCPS case so again, FCPS does not have to spend a dime. No investigation saves money.

Maybe no standing in court. However I suspect that if VHSL loses the handbook is going to get a substantial update in the near future.

I'm the poster you are responding to. And the handbook should.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My wife asked last night so I think the teams should boycott and forfeit

I’m on the fence, I get it, you’re taking an ethical and moral stand here

On the other hand, you play you lose you lose what if you play hayfield and you win

I rather think the southeast VA schools will take hayfield to school in the larger bracket that’s just my thinking

I will say again that if all the games were played this week and hayfield lost the dec 4 hearing won’t happen

If they win it will still happen but it could still end with them continuing to play.

When is the state final, I thought it was always first week of December but now it’ll be a week later because of this round happening a week later correct

So I guess my thought is this. Get to the 12/4 hearing and hayfield has what 1 maybe 2 more games…does anyone really think the court says no no no you can’t play seems unlikely to be honest.

Anyway this is all very entertaining, I guess I’m at the point where I’m a bit more just play the damn games already and settle this stuff on the field. You don’t think those other seven teams and coaches and the down south schools won’t go for blood. I know they will maybe they lose but I don’t think anyone is looking at their team and saying be scared, I’m think they’re all telling their team if we play them they hurt us the first time now let’s go kick their ass, shut them up, and send them packing. Then for your basketball and other sport players when you hit the fields or the mat the track the court you play hayfield this year and you bring the hurt as payback. You let those other hayfield athletes know it’s not personal but it’s about sending a message to the people in charge about what’s right and what’s wrong.

I was already to clap at this until this. Let's hurt those Hayfield lacrosse girls because of what the boys did in football sounds ridiculous and like a child. But I support everything else you're saying.

You need to realize the “Hayfield” name is stained b/c of this. It extends beyond football, even to academics. That is why the principal must be fired. He/she/they is derelict for not firing Overton at least when the ban came from VHSL.

There is a massive difference between firing an administrator and implying it's OK to play dirty against the Hayfield girls lacrosse team, or any other Hayfield team, because of the actions of others at their school. That's the definition of fighting fire with fire.

The way to deal with unsportsmanlike conduct is to given consequences to the actual offenders and have everyone else recommit to sportsmanship as a principal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The bravado on this thread is a little ridiculous. Do your talking on whatever your athletic field is or discuss the merits of the case.

My coaches always taught me that good teams focus on their own game and let their play speak for itself. Posting on DCUM is the opposite of how athletes win games.

Parents and coaches are posting here. But plenty seem ready to suit up I guess

Kids don't post here. All the incomprehensible Hayfield posts are from actual adults. Disturbing.

Check the tween/teen forum and the ES forum. Kids absolutely post here. Even the FCPS forum - read all the nearly incomprehensible tween posts about Lexia and ST Math.

[Anonymous]

Help me understand this. The brackets are
Hay vs Edison
Ffx vs West Po
LB vs MV
West spring vs SoCo

I def see one thing in common, the 6 coaches tryna to protect their team. How convenient EVERY team in the playoff's was one of the 6 that doesn’t want to have to face them again.

Next, some of these teams would not have to potentially face Hayfield until region finals so why would I take money out of my programs pocket when at that moment it doesn’t affect me. When it affects me, sure take action, potentially,but until then let me and my program make our money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ha you think boys' lacrosse is a soft sport? You obviously don't know shit about lacrosse. Speaking of Robinson, you should have seen Robinson's boys team this past spring. They dominated everyone, were undefeated and easily won States.

Maybe the lacrosse players should MAN UP and put on some shoulder pads and a helmet. Then your football team won't finish with a 3-7 record and sob crocodile tears how they are being cheated out of a playoff spot. Ha ha!

Boys lacrosse players DO wear helmets and shoulder pads, dummy. You don't know shit about shit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Help me understand this. The brackets are
Hay vs Edison
Ffx vs West Po
LB vs MV
West spring vs SoCo

I def see one thing in common, the 6 coaches tryna to protect their team. How convenient EVERY team in the playoff's was one of the 6 that doesn’t want to have to face them again.

Next, some of these teams would not have to potentially face Hayfield until region finals so why would I take money out of my programs pocket when at that moment it doesn’t affect me. When it affects me, sure take action, potentially,but until then let me and my program make our money.

$$$...

We're talking about high school football, here. You've lost the plot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My wife asked last night so I think the teams should boycott and forfeit

I’m on the fence, I get it, you’re taking an ethical and moral stand here

On the other hand, you play you lose you lose what if you play hayfield and you win

I rather think the southeast VA schools will take hayfield to school in the larger bracket that’s just my thinking

I will say again that if all the games were played this week and hayfield lost the dec 4 hearing won’t happen

If they win it will still happen but it could still end with them continuing to play.

When is the state final, I thought it was always first week of December but now it’ll be a week later because of this round happening a week later correct

So I guess my thought is this. Get to the 12/4 hearing and hayfield has what 1 maybe 2 more games…does anyone really think the court says no no no you can’t play seems unlikely to be honest.

Anyway this is all very entertaining, I guess I’m at the point where I’m a bit more just play the damn games already and settle this stuff on the field. You don’t think those other seven teams and coaches and the down south schools won’t go for blood. I know they will maybe they lose but I don’t think anyone is looking at their team and saying be scared, I’m think they’re all telling their team if we play them they hurt us the first time now let’s go kick their ass, shut them up, and send them packing. Then for your basketball and other sport players when you hit the fields or the mat the track the court you play hayfield this year and you bring the hurt as payback. You let those other hayfield athletes know it’s not personal but it’s about sending a message to the people in charge about what’s right and what’s wrong.

I was already to clap at this until this. Let's hurt those Hayfield lacrosse girls because of what the boys did in football sounds ridiculous and like a child. But I support everything else you're saying.

They play in the weakest district by far. Not even close. In other sports they steamroll until the playoffs and then get absolutely smacked. Happens every year, every sport, and this is the first year it won’t happen to their football team.

A legit smackdown is fine. I was talking about the poster suggesting to take their anger towards Hayfield football on other Hayfield sport teams including female ones. It is crazy for an adult to say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ha you think boys' lacrosse is a soft sport? You obviously don't know shit about lacrosse. Speaking of Robinson, you should have seen Robinson's boys team this past spring. They dominated everyone, were undefeated and easily won States.

Maybe the lacrosse players should MAN UP and put on some shoulder pads and a helmet. Then your football team won't finish with a 3-7 record and sob crocodile tears how they are being cheated out of a playoff spot. Ha ha!

I don't think this is fair. I am not on anyone's side here. I think the whole thing is insane from the Hayfield people and those against but reading this thread the people crying are not from Robinson. It's keyboard warriors crying on "Robinson's behalf" without Robinson asking them to. A parent has come on here serveral times to make this clear. I believe them. All the spewing is coming from others.

Thank you! Robinson community will be just fine. (Emphasize "community" because we all actually live in the Robinson community).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you're scared, you've already lost. Blame yourself, blame your coach, go play a SOFT SPORT like lacrosse or soccer. THIS IS WHAT YOU PEOPLE DO -- If you can't beat'em, then disqualify'em.

Nonsense. No one cares about losing to a bunch of disqualified cheaters.

These posts and the coaches actions suggest otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, what can FCPS do at this point? Can FCPS kick Hayfield back out of the playoffs?

Nothing. These HS principals, coaches, and parents are working off emotion. I don't have a dog in this fight but FCPS can't do anything now. A court has ruled on the injunctuon. If FCPS tries to act they will just be sued too. The time for FCPS to act was earlier. Now they have to wait until Dec. 4 like everyone else.

FCPS could conduct a real investigation, but they won't. The schools could boycott the playoff games.

That also costs money I as a parent prefer they not spend because my girls go to a FCPS school. Football impacts a small subset of the FCPS population who don't want money going towards an investigation. If Fairfax City who called on it wants to fund it then sure, do the investigation.

Do you not realize how much FCPS is spending right now to do it wrong? The ask is to spend the money appropriately and not continue to waste how they are.

What money is FCPS spending? They did an investigation in the summer. They spent money then. Then VHSL came in (their money). Then Hayfield appealed (maybe FCPS but likley just a letter by principal alone since it was not written like a lawyer touched it). Then Hayfield appealed again. Then Hayfield parents sued VHSL. FCPS has been out of this thing since the summer. Using the same lawyer/law firm does not mean FCPS paid for it.

That ten page letter from the principal to vhsl was 100% drafted by an attorney.

Correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My wife asked last night so I think the teams should boycott and forfeit

I’m on the fence, I get it, you’re taking an ethical and moral stand here

On the other hand, you play you lose you lose what if you play hayfield and you win

I rather think the southeast VA schools will take hayfield to school in the larger bracket that’s just my thinking

I will say again that if all the games were played this week and hayfield lost the dec 4 hearing won’t happen

If they win it will still happen but it could still end with them continuing to play.

When is the state final, I thought it was always first week of December but now it’ll be a week later because of this round happening a week later correct

So I guess my thought is this. Get to the 12/4 hearing and hayfield has what 1 maybe 2 more games…does anyone really think the court says no no no you can’t play seems unlikely to be honest.

Anyway this is all very entertaining, I guess I’m at the point where I’m a bit more just play the damn games already and settle this stuff on the field. You don’t think those other seven teams and coaches and the down south schools won’t go for blood. I know they will maybe they lose but I don’t think anyone is looking at their team and saying be scared, I’m think they’re all telling their team if we play them they hurt us the first time now let’s go kick their ass, shut them up, and send them packing. Then for your basketball and other sport players when you hit the fields or the mat the track the court you play hayfield this year and you bring the hurt as payback. You let those other hayfield athletes know it’s not personal but it’s about sending a message to the people in charge about what’s right and what’s wrong.

I was already to clap at this until this. Let's hurt those Hayfield lacrosse girls because of what the boys did in football sounds ridiculous and like a child. But I support everything else you're saying.

They play in the weakest district by far. Not even close. In other sports they steamroll until the playoffs and then get absolutely smacked. Happens every year, every sport, and this is the first year it won’t happen to their football team.

A legit smackdown is fine. I was talking about the poster suggesting to take their anger towards Hayfield football on other Hayfield sport teams including female ones. It is crazy for an adult to say.

I do think other coaches of other sports will absolutely keep the foot on the gas vs them, and they should. Keep shooting three’s up 25. Keep stealing bases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you're scared, you've already lost. Blame yourself, blame your coach, go play a SOFT SPORT like lacrosse or soccer. THIS IS WHAT YOU PEOPLE DO -- If you can't beat'em, then disqualify'em.

Nonsense. No one cares about losing to a bunch of disqualified cheaters.

These posts and the coaches actions suggest otherwise.

Having no integrity yourself, I realize its a difficult concept to grasp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha you think boys' lacrosse is a soft sport? You obviously don't know shit about lacrosse. Speaking of Robinson, you should have seen Robinson's boys team this past spring. They dominated everyone, were undefeated and easily won States.

Maybe the lacrosse players should MAN UP and put on some shoulder pads and a helmet. Then your football team won't finish with a 3-7 record and sob crocodile tears how they are being cheated out of a playoff spot. Ha ha!

Boys lacrosse players DO wear helmets and shoulder pads, dummy. You don't know shit about shit.

This!! I feel smarter after reading a lot of these posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Help me understand this. The brackets are
Hay vs Edison
Ffx vs West Po
LB vs MV
West spring vs SoCo

I def see one thing in common, the 6 coaches tryna to protect their team. How convenient EVERY team in the playoff's was one of the 6 that doesn’t want to have to face them again.

Next, some of these teams would not have to potentially face Hayfield until region finals so why would I take money out of my programs pocket when at that moment it doesn’t affect me. When it affects me, sure take action, potentially,but until then let me and my program make our money.

$$$...

We're talking about high school football, here. You've lost the plot.

When I coached in FCPS years back when the playoff hit both teams split the gate, so that’s what I mean when I talk about potential lost revenue

[Anonymous]

FCPS absolutely has had their outside law firm and their $900/hour lawyer Cafferky deeply involved since Hayfield got the letter from VHSL at the end of October. Hope someone FOIA's their legal bills when this is over.

It is not a coincidence that the plaintiffs just happened to hire the same lawyer FCPS had been using against VHSL.