Any word on the new NVSL rules for the summer?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Talking with our swim rep part of the problem is that if you set a rule that non-vax need to mask, they can't be trusted. At this point the only people not vaxxed are those who believe it's not necessary, and therefore also likely believe masks are unnecessary.

CDC has said risk is very low of outdoor transmission but still large gatherings should be avoided if unvaxxed and/or unmasked. Half of any swim team is not vaxxed simply due to age. Between kids and adults you can have potentially 400-500 people in a given space. Reasonable adults can have very different opinions on what is an acceptable level of risk.

If someone is worried than they don't need to attend. Or they can require all adults to wear masks just for this meet. The NCAA softball World Series has packed, unmasked crowds right now all day.

At All-Star relays, kids are in their team area most of the times fully spaced from other teams. Each team can set their own rules for their team area. They can make clerk of course spaced out and then on deck kids aren’t next to opponents/adults for a few minutes. CDC defined close contact as 15 minutes. NVSL Board shouldn’t have canceled All-Star Relays and they certainly shouldn’t have done it without consulting team reps. My kids have been in all-star relays for years (not D1). It is my least favorite meet - it is hot, you car barley see, caps and T-shirts cost way too much - but my kids love it and they bond with their team. This years seniors deserved the option of having it.

Off topic but it’s the softball fun to watch?!

But yes, totally ridiculous. Typical NOVA. Masks forever!!!

[Anonymous]

^isn't

[Anonymous]

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Ha! Yes, it is! Kids getting to play their sport. Wish our swimmers could (in all aspects) as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Talking with our swim rep part of the problem is that if you set a rule that non-vax need to mask, they can't be trusted. At this point the only people not vaxxed are those who believe it's not necessary, and therefore also likely believe masks are unnecessary.

CDC has said risk is very low of outdoor transmission but still large gatherings should be avoided if unvaxxed and/or unmasked. Half of any swim team is not vaxxed simply due to age. Between kids and adults you can have potentially 400-500 people in a given space. Reasonable adults can have very different opinions on what is an acceptable level of risk.

The chances of asymptomatic kids spreading it to each other, outside, in a pool, is basically zero. But those concerned are free to wear and make their kids wear masks. It’s quite simple to accommodate.

Written like a person who has not watched the 8 and under practice. Those kids have zero distancing ability. I don’t care where they are - being 2 inches apart, nose to nose, is unacceptable in any time (covid or not). Add covid and some adults who don’t believe in vaccines or masking and I really can’t see why we can’t mandate masks at these large events. It doesn’t hurt anyone and it protects the kids who can’t be vaccinated (and may be the victims in the 8u popping bubble crowd).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talking with our swim rep part of the problem is that if you set a rule that non-vax need to mask, they can't be trusted. At this point the only people not vaxxed are those who believe it's not necessary, and therefore also likely believe masks are unnecessary.

CDC has said risk is very low of outdoor transmission but still large gatherings should be avoided if unvaxxed and/or unmasked. Half of any swim team is not vaxxed simply due to age. Between kids and adults you can have potentially 400-500 people in a given space. Reasonable adults can have very different opinions on what is an acceptable level of risk.

The chances of asymptomatic kids spreading it to each other, outside, in a pool, is basically zero. But those concerned are free to wear and make their kids wear masks. It’s quite simple to accommodate.

Written like a person who has not watched the 8 and under practice. Those kids have zero distancing ability. I don’t care where they are - being 2 inches apart, nose to nose, is unacceptable in any time (covid or not). Add covid and some adults who don’t believe in vaccines or masking and I really can’t see why we can’t mandate masks at these large events. It doesn’t hurt anyone and it protects the kids who can’t be vaccinated (and may be the victims in the 8u popping bubble crowd).

You are not okay with 8u being nose to nose at practice on deck even before Covid?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talking with our swim rep part of the problem is that if you set a rule that non-vax need to mask, they can't be trusted. At this point the only people not vaxxed are those who believe it's not necessary, and therefore also likely believe masks are unnecessary.

CDC has said risk is very low of outdoor transmission but still large gatherings should be avoided if unvaxxed and/or unmasked. Half of any swim team is not vaxxed simply due to age. Between kids and adults you can have potentially 400-500 people in a given space. Reasonable adults can have very different opinions on what is an acceptable level of risk.

The chances of asymptomatic kids spreading it to each other, outside, in a pool, is basically zero. But those concerned are free to wear and make their kids wear masks. It’s quite simple to accommodate.

Written like a person who has not watched the 8 and under practice. Those kids have zero distancing ability. I don’t care where they are - being 2 inches apart, nose to nose, is unacceptable in any time (covid or not). Add covid and some adults who don’t believe in vaccines or masking and I really can’t see why we can’t mandate masks at these large events. It doesn’t hurt anyone and it protects the kids who can’t be vaccinated (and may be the victims in the 8u popping bubble crowd).

Perhaps your kid should sit this year out if you’re this worried about being nose to nose. Don’t try to dictate to others who have assessed the risk differently. No one is saying your kid can’t wear a mask but don’t force everyone to because you’re uncomfortable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talking with our swim rep part of the problem is that if you set a rule that non-vax need to mask, they can't be trusted. At this point the only people not vaxxed are those who believe it's not necessary, and therefore also likely believe masks are unnecessary.

CDC has said risk is very low of outdoor transmission but still large gatherings should be avoided if unvaxxed and/or unmasked. Half of any swim team is not vaxxed simply due to age. Between kids and adults you can have potentially 400-500 people in a given space. Reasonable adults can have very different opinions on what is an acceptable level of risk.

The chances of asymptomatic kids spreading it to each other, outside, in a pool, is basically zero. But those concerned are free to wear and make their kids wear masks. It’s quite simple to accommodate.

Written like a person who has not watched the 8 and under practice. Those kids have zero distancing ability. I don’t care where they are - being 2 inches apart, nose to nose, is unacceptable in any time (covid or not). Add covid and some adults who don’t believe in vaccines or masking and I really can’t see why we can’t mandate masks at these large events. It doesn’t hurt anyone and it protects the kids who can’t be vaccinated (and may be the victims in the 8u popping bubble crowd).

So...make YOUR kids wear masks, or stay home. The rest of us can assess the “risk” for ourselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talking with our swim rep part of the problem is that if you set a rule that non-vax need to mask, they can't be trusted. At this point the only people not vaxxed are those who believe it's not necessary, and therefore also likely believe masks are unnecessary.

CDC has said risk is very low of outdoor transmission but still large gatherings should be avoided if unvaxxed and/or unmasked. Half of any swim team is not vaxxed simply due to age. Between kids and adults you can have potentially 400-500 people in a given space. Reasonable adults can have very different opinions on what is an acceptable level of risk.

The chances of asymptomatic kids spreading it to each other, outside, in a pool, is basically zero. But those concerned are free to wear and make their kids wear masks. It’s quite simple to accommodate.

Written like a person who has not watched the 8 and under practice. Those kids have zero distancing ability. I don’t care where they are - being 2 inches apart, nose to nose, is unacceptable in any time (covid or not). Add covid and some adults who don’t believe in vaccines or masking and I really can’t see why we can’t mandate masks at these large events. It doesn’t hurt anyone and it protects the kids who can’t be vaccinated (and may be the victims in the 8u popping bubble crowd).

So...make YOUR kids wear masks, or stay home. The rest of us can assess the “risk” for ourselves.

DP
The NVSL isn’t requiring masks, so aren’t we beating a dead horse here?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
So...make YOUR kids wear masks, or stay home. The rest of us can assess the “risk” for ourselves.

DP
The NVSL isn’t requiring masks, so aren’t we beating a dead horse here?

The NVSL is leaving it up to each individual pool. Talking to friends across a number of pools and divisions be ready to run into a slew of different situations week by week. PP, the risk isn't yours to assess, it's the decision of each pool's board.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So...make YOUR kids wear masks, or stay home. The rest of us can assess the “risk” for ourselves.

DP
The NVSL isn’t requiring masks, so aren’t we beating a dead horse here?

The NVSL is leaving it up to each individual pool. Talking to friends across a number of pools and divisions be ready to run into a slew of different situations week by week. PP, the risk isn't yours to assess, it's the decision of each pool's board.

This is what drives me crazy. CDC, VDH, NVSL have all agreed on no mask mandate. Then some tiny pool board or swim rep who is not a healthcare provider or public policy person is going to go above them and make a new rule. We all know under 12 is not vaccinated, so they can wear masks and get a tiny more protection they already get by being outside and surrounded by vaccinated people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talking with our swim rep part of the problem is that if you set a rule that non-vax need to mask, they can't be trusted. At this point the only people not vaxxed are those who believe it's not necessary, and therefore also likely believe masks are unnecessary.

CDC has said risk is very low of outdoor transmission but still large gatherings should be avoided if unvaxxed and/or unmasked. Half of any swim team is not vaxxed simply due to age. Between kids and adults you can have potentially 400-500 people in a given space. Reasonable adults can have very different opinions on what is an acceptable level of risk.

The chances of asymptomatic kids spreading it to each other, outside, in a pool, is basically zero. But those concerned are free to wear and make their kids wear masks. It’s quite simple to accommodate.

Written like a person who has not watched the 8 and under practice. Those kids have zero distancing ability. I don’t care where they are - being 2 inches apart, nose to nose, is unacceptable in any time (covid or not). Add covid and some adults who don’t believe in vaccines or masking and I really can’t see why we can’t mandate masks at these large events. It doesn’t hurt anyone and it protects the kids who can’t be vaccinated (and may be the victims in the 8u popping bubble crowd).

So...make YOUR kids wear masks, or stay home. The rest of us can assess the “risk” for ourselves.

DP
The NVSL isn’t requiring masks, so aren’t we beating a dead horse here?

Our rep is interpreting it as we DO have to wear masks: "While those who are vaccinated do not have to wear masks, it is recommended that all swimmers (especially unvaccinated swimmers – with special attention to swimmers under 12 who are not able to be vaccinated) wear a mask in the designated team areas at dual meets."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talking with our swim rep part of the problem is that if you set a rule that non-vax need to mask, they can't be trusted. At this point the only people not vaxxed are those who believe it's not necessary, and therefore also likely believe masks are unnecessary.

CDC has said risk is very low of outdoor transmission but still large gatherings should be avoided if unvaxxed and/or unmasked. Half of any swim team is not vaxxed simply due to age. Between kids and adults you can have potentially 400-500 people in a given space. Reasonable adults can have very different opinions on what is an acceptable level of risk.

The chances of asymptomatic kids spreading it to each other, outside, in a pool, is basically zero. But those concerned are free to wear and make their kids wear masks. It’s quite simple to accommodate.

Written like a person who has not watched the 8 and under practice. Those kids have zero distancing ability. I don’t care where they are - being 2 inches apart, nose to nose, is unacceptable in any time (covid or not). Add covid and some adults who don’t believe in vaccines or masking and I really can’t see why we can’t mandate masks at these large events. It doesn’t hurt anyone and it protects the kids who can’t be vaccinated (and may be the victims in the 8u popping bubble crowd).

So...make YOUR kids wear masks, or stay home. The rest of us can assess the “risk” for ourselves.

DP
The NVSL isn’t requiring masks, so aren’t we beating a dead horse here?

Our rep is interpreting it as we DO have to wear masks: "While those who are vaccinated do not have to wear masks, it is recommended that all swimmers (especially unvaccinated swimmers – with special attention to swimmers under 12 who are not able to be vaccinated) wear a mask in the designated team areas at dual meets."

Timers, Stroke & Turn Judges, Referee & Starter, and Table workers should wear masks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talking with our swim rep part of the problem is that if you set a rule that non-vax need to mask, they can't be trusted. At this point the only people not vaxxed are those who believe it's not necessary, and therefore also likely believe masks are unnecessary.

CDC has said risk is very low of outdoor transmission but still large gatherings should be avoided if unvaxxed and/or unmasked. Half of any swim team is not vaxxed simply due to age. Between kids and adults you can have potentially 400-500 people in a given space. Reasonable adults can have very different opinions on what is an acceptable level of risk.

The chances of asymptomatic kids spreading it to each other, outside, in a pool, is basically zero. But those concerned are free to wear and make their kids wear masks. It’s quite simple to accommodate.

Written like a person who has not watched the 8 and under practice. Those kids have zero distancing ability. I don’t care where they are - being 2 inches apart, nose to nose, is unacceptable in any time (covid or not). Add covid and some adults who don’t believe in vaccines or masking and I really can’t see why we can’t mandate masks at these large events. It doesn’t hurt anyone and it protects the kids who can’t be vaccinated (and may be the victims in the 8u popping bubble crowd).

So...make YOUR kids wear masks, or stay home. The rest of us can assess the “risk” for ourselves.

DP
The NVSL isn’t requiring masks, so aren’t we beating a dead horse here?

Our rep is interpreting it as we DO have to wear masks: "While those who are vaccinated do not have to wear masks, it is recommended that all swimmers (especially unvaccinated swimmers – with special attention to swimmers under 12 who are not able to be vaccinated) wear a mask in the designated team areas at dual meets."

Your rep is interpreting incorrectly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talking with our swim rep part of the problem is that if you set a rule that non-vax need to mask, they can't be trusted. At this point the only people not vaxxed are those who believe it's not necessary, and therefore also likely believe masks are unnecessary.

CDC has said risk is very low of outdoor transmission but still large gatherings should be avoided if unvaxxed and/or unmasked. Half of any swim team is not vaxxed simply due to age. Between kids and adults you can have potentially 400-500 people in a given space. Reasonable adults can have very different opinions on what is an acceptable level of risk.

The chances of asymptomatic kids spreading it to each other, outside, in a pool, is basically zero. But those concerned are free to wear and make their kids wear masks. It’s quite simple to accommodate.

Written like a person who has not watched the 8 and under practice. Those kids have zero distancing ability. I don’t care where they are - being 2 inches apart, nose to nose, is unacceptable in any time (covid or not). Add covid and some adults who don’t believe in vaccines or masking and I really can’t see why we can’t mandate masks at these large events. It doesn’t hurt anyone and it protects the kids who can’t be vaccinated (and may be the victims in the 8u popping bubble crowd).

So...make YOUR kids wear masks, or stay home. The rest of us can assess the “risk” for ourselves.

DP
The NVSL isn’t requiring masks, so aren’t we beating a dead horse here?

Our rep is interpreting it as we DO have to wear masks: "While those who are vaccinated do not have to wear masks, it is recommended that all swimmers (especially unvaccinated swimmers – with special attention to swimmers under 12 who are not able to be vaccinated) wear a mask in the designated team areas at dual meets."

Timers, Stroke & Turn Judges, Referee & Starter, and Table workers should wear masks

Even if vaccinated?

And why at all? Right now these parents are talking to each other at practice but during a meet they have to wear mask while being near each other? None of this makes any sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Talking with our swim rep part of the problem is that if you set a rule that non-vax need to mask, they can't be trusted. At this point the only people not vaxxed are those who believe it's not necessary, and therefore also likely believe masks are unnecessary.

CDC has said risk is very low of outdoor transmission but still large gatherings should be avoided if unvaxxed and/or unmasked. Half of any swim team is not vaxxed simply due to age. Between kids and adults you can have potentially 400-500 people in a given space. Reasonable adults can have very different opinions on what is an acceptable level of risk.

The chances of asymptomatic kids spreading it to each other, outside, in a pool, is basically zero. But those concerned are free to wear and make their kids wear masks. It’s quite simple to accommodate.

Written like a person who has not watched the 8 and under practice. Those kids have zero distancing ability. I don’t care where they are - being 2 inches apart, nose to nose, is unacceptable in any time (covid or not). Add covid and some adults who don’t believe in vaccines or masking and I really can’t see why we can’t mandate masks at these large events. It doesn’t hurt anyone and it protects the kids who can’t be vaccinated (and may be the victims in the 8u popping bubble crowd).

So...make YOUR kids wear masks, or stay home. The rest of us can assess the “risk” for ourselves.

DP
The NVSL isn’t requiring masks, so aren’t we beating a dead horse here?

Our rep is interpreting it as we DO have to wear masks: "While those who are vaccinated do not have to wear masks, it is recommended that all swimmers (especially unvaccinated swimmers – with special attention to swimmers under 12 who are not able to be vaccinated) wear a mask in the designated team areas at dual meets."

Timers, Stroke & Turn Judges, Referee & Starter, and Table workers should wear masks

Key word in bold.