The lawsuit against Royal Caribbean/toddler death

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science.

This man (Anello), had limited experience with toddlers and children in general.

Men tend to take more risks with kids. He thought he was being cool by giving the child a thrill. He thought he could hold on to her. He put her weight away from his center of gravity. He's not very strong (obviously, he sit in front of a computer everyday, he's over weight). He lost his grip.

There's nothing wrong with his mental functioning. He's not senile or ADHD.

As we were talking about this, my DH (who is 59) said that there is a story in his family where his dad almost dropped him off a boat when he was a baby! His dad would have been around 22 yrs old at the time when he dangled DH (a baby at the time) off a boat. This was just a little personal boat, but still.... men think they are being "fun" and "cool" by interacting with babies/kids in a "thrilling" way. They don't understand how babies move, and they don't take into account the real risk. Fortunately for DH, he didn't fall.

Anello screwed up big time. He should plead guilty, take the probation, the parents should take RC's "condolence" gift, and they all need to move on. Pretending that they are only out to save the next kid from a dangerous ship is ridiculous.

I am a man but none of that seems cool or thrilling. The sidewalks around here are thrilling enough with small children.

The Grandpa was allowing Chloe to get too far away from him in that crowded area, she could have easily been knocked hard to the ground by an adult not paying attention to knee level. That was the type of risk that Grandpas sometimes take that parents wouldn't. Holding her out an 11th story window goes beyond anything that a normal adult would do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

I don't think that's weird. Maybe he was helping out while the parents unpacked, who knows.

Mom was nearby and ran over when she heard a commotion.

That's curious. Does every mother expect that a commotion involves their child? Or did she have a trust issue?

Or... motherly instinct? It’s a thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

I don't think that's weird. Maybe he was helping out while the parents unpacked, who knows.

Mom was nearby and ran over when she heard a commotion.

That's curious. Does every mother expect that a commotion involves their child? Or did she have a trust issue?

I think it's a pretty natural reaction, when you hear a commotion coming from the direction of your child, to go find out what's happening and make sure your child is okay. Especially with a toddler. Even though the grandfather was with her, a commotion could have been because the grandfather collapsed or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science.

This man (Anello), had limited experience with toddlers and children in general.

Men tend to take more risks with kids. He thought he was being cool by giving the child a thrill. He thought he could hold on to her. He put her weight away from his center of gravity. He's not very strong (obviously, he sit in front of a computer everyday, he's over weight). He lost his grip.

There's nothing wrong with his mental functioning. He's not senile or ADHD.

As we were talking about this, my DH (who is 59) said that there is a story in his family where his dad almost dropped him off a boat when he was a baby! His dad would have been around 22 yrs old at the time when he dangled DH (a baby at the time) off a boat. This was just a little personal boat, but still.... men think they are being "fun" and "cool" by interacting with babies/kids in a "thrilling" way. They don't understand how babies move, and they don't take into account the real risk. Fortunately for DH, he didn't fall.

Anello screwed up big time. He should plead guilty, take the probation, the parents should take RC's "condolence" gift, and they all need to move on. Pretending that they are only out to save the next kid from a dangerous ship is ridiculous.

I am a man but none of that seems cool or thrilling. The sidewalks around here are thrilling enough with small children.

The Grandpa was allowing Chloe to get too far away from him in that crowded area, she could have easily been knocked hard to the ground by an adult not paying attention to knee level. That was the type of risk that Grandpas sometimes take that parents wouldn't. Holding her out an 11th story window goes beyond anything that a normal adult would do.

I thought the same thing! Nevermind lifting her into an open window on the 11th floor, I never would have let my 18 month old that far from me in a crowded area. In fact I probably wouldn't have let her walk at all until we got somewhere a little less congested.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I tried to be such a careful parent, but even so my super wiggly toddler fell from her changing table once and I was horrified. Other times she got away from me in a store and would hide finding herself to be hilarious. I remember the time that she was 4 and I couldn't locate her at the pool only to notice her waving joyfully from the high dive. I did my absolutely best but sometimes I'm amazed that she got through her younger years unscathed.

I truly believe that grandpa f-ed up. However, as humans we all mess up. The consequences to this are horrific, but so many little things can end up with horrific outcomes.

In his head, I think he is desperately trying to rework things in his head and might actually believe the story he is telling himself. That said, there is no excuse for what is going on with the lawsuit. In no way is anyone except for the grandpa negligent. The family is out of their minds and need to watch the video and try to face the reality of what has happened. The grandfather will never forgive himself so should be working on that and not trying to create a false narrative. WATCH THE VIDEO, FAMILY!

They need to settle and end this. They need closure.

+1

Most of us are just plain lucky, and should own it.

I agree that most of us are lucky, but this wasn't bad luck. This was stupidity. There is a big difference. Losing sight of her and her falling in the pool is bad luck. He actively created the danger here.

Exactly. If NO ONE had been watching Chloe she never would have fallen out of that window. Grandpa created this dangerous hazard for Chloe by lifting her up, holding her 11 stories off the ground and then dropping her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science.

This man (Anello), had limited experience with toddlers and children in general.

Men tend to take more risks with kids. He thought he was being cool by giving the child a thrill. He thought he could hold on to her. He put her weight away from his center of gravity. He's not very strong (obviously, he sit in front of a computer everyday, he's over weight). He lost his grip.

There's nothing wrong with his mental functioning. He's not senile or ADHD.

As we were talking about this, my DH (who is 59) said that there is a story in his family where his dad almost dropped him off a boat when he was a baby! His dad would have been around 22 yrs old at the time when he dangled DH (a baby at the time) off a boat. This was just a little personal boat, but still.... men think they are being "fun" and "cool" by interacting with babies/kids in a "thrilling" way. They don't understand how babies move, and they don't take into account the real risk. Fortunately for DH, he didn't fall.

Anello screwed up big time. He should plead guilty, take the probation, the parents should take RC's "condolence" gift, and they all need to move on. Pretending that they are only out to save the next kid from a dangerous ship is ridiculous.

I am a man but none of that seems cool or thrilling. The sidewalks around here are thrilling enough with small children.

The Grandpa was allowing Chloe to get too far away from him in that crowded area, she could have easily been knocked hard to the ground by an adult not paying attention to knee level. That was the type of risk that Grandpas sometimes take that parents wouldn't. Holding her out an 11th story window goes beyond anything that a normal adult would do.

I thought the same thing! Nevermind lifting her into an open window on the 11th floor, I never would have let my 18 month old that far from me in a crowded area. In fact I probably wouldn't have let her walk at all until we got somewhere a little less congested.

He also squatted down into an awkward position where he couldn't have responded and gone to her quickly if he had tried. That short video tape said a lot about Grandpa's supervision of Chloe. The parents had no clue that he was so careless with her? Really?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science.

This man (Anello), had limited experience with toddlers and children in general.

Men tend to take more risks with kids. He thought he was being cool by giving the child a thrill. He thought he could hold on to her. He put her weight away from his center of gravity. He's not very strong (obviously, he sit in front of a computer everyday, he's over weight). He lost his grip.

There's nothing wrong with his mental functioning. He's not senile or ADHD.

As we were talking about this, my DH (who is 59) said that there is a story in his family where his dad almost dropped him off a boat when he was a baby! His dad would have been around 22 yrs old at the time when he dangled DH (a baby at the time) off a boat. This was just a little personal boat, but still.... men think they are being "fun" and "cool" by interacting with babies/kids in a "thrilling" way. They don't understand how babies move, and they don't take into account the real risk. Fortunately for DH, he didn't fall.

Anello screwed up big time. He should plead guilty, take the probation, the parents should take RC's "condolence" gift, and they all need to move on. Pretending that they are only out to save the next kid from a dangerous ship is ridiculous.

I am a man but none of that seems cool or thrilling. The sidewalks around here are thrilling enough with small children.

The Grandpa was allowing Chloe to get too far away from him in that crowded area, she could have easily been knocked hard to the ground by an adult not paying attention to knee level. That was the type of risk that Grandpas sometimes take that parents wouldn't. Holding her out an 11th story window goes beyond anything that a normal adult would do.

I thought the same thing! Nevermind lifting her into an open window on the 11th floor, I never would have let my 18 month old that far from me in a crowded area. In fact I probably wouldn't have let her walk at all until we got somewhere a little less congested.

He also squatted down into an awkward position where he couldn't have responded and gone to her quickly if he had tried. That short video tape said a lot about Grandpa's supervision of Chloe. The parents had no clue that he was so careless with her? Really?

I mean, lets face it, the parents don't seem like the sharpest tacks in the box either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science.

This man (Anello), had limited experience with toddlers and children in general.

Men tend to take more risks with kids. He thought he was being cool by giving the child a thrill. He thought he could hold on to her. He put her weight away from his center of gravity. He's not very strong (obviously, he sit in front of a computer everyday, he's over weight). He lost his grip.

There's nothing wrong with his mental functioning. He's not senile or ADHD.

As we were talking about this, my DH (who is 59) said that there is a story in his family where his dad almost dropped him off a boat when he was a baby! His dad would have been around 22 yrs old at the time when he dangled DH (a baby at the time) off a boat. This was just a little personal boat, but still.... men think they are being "fun" and "cool" by interacting with babies/kids in a "thrilling" way. They don't understand how babies move, and they don't take into account the real risk. Fortunately for DH, he didn't fall.

Anello screwed up big time. He should plead guilty, take the probation, the parents should take RC's "condolence" gift, and they all need to move on. Pretending that they are only out to save the next kid from a dangerous ship is ridiculous.

I am a man but none of that seems cool or thrilling. The sidewalks around here are thrilling enough with small children.

The Grandpa was allowing Chloe to get too far away from him in that crowded area, she could have easily been knocked hard to the ground by an adult not paying attention to knee level. That was the type of risk that Grandpas sometimes take that parents wouldn't. Holding her out an 11th story window goes beyond anything that a normal adult would do.

I thought the same thing! Nevermind lifting her into an open window on the 11th floor, I never would have let my 18 month old that far from me in a crowded area. In fact I probably wouldn't have let her walk at all until we got somewhere a little less congested.

You would be shocked and appalled at how stupid, careless and lazy some parents are on vacation. I know friends that own rental houses, and the stuff that gets broken, and the things that people let happen are unbelievable. People just can't be bothered to watch their own children, and it gets worse during vacation. Think of all the parents who don't hold their children's hands or keep them immediately by their side in parking lots or streets. People can be really, really, really stupid. Sure, you can sue someone, but that is not going to bring your kid back. Makes me wonder if some parents would rather have the money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

I don't think that's weird. Maybe he was helping out while the parents unpacked, who knows.

Mom was nearby and ran over when she heard a commotion.

That's curious. Does every mother expect that a commotion involves their child? Or did she have a trust issue?

I think it's a pretty natural reaction, when you hear a commotion coming from the direction of your child, to go find out what's happening and make sure your child is okay. Especially with a toddler. Even though the grandfather was with her, a commotion could have been because the grandfather collapsed or something.

The mom said during an interview "when they told me that Chloe had died" she wasn't sure what had happened. People were telling her not to look out the window but she did and that is when she saw Chloe below on the pavement. It was sort of weird the way she said it in the interview. Was she told that Chloe had died even before she looked out the window? Who told her that? Apparently the big brother was the first one to get to Grandpa and the window so he saw what had happened first.....

Not that any of that matters now. What a horror.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

I don't think that's weird. Maybe he was helping out while the parents unpacked, who knows.

Mom was nearby and ran over when she heard a commotion.

That's curious. Does every mother expect that a commotion involves their child? Or did she have a trust issue?

I think it's a pretty natural reaction, when you hear a commotion coming from the direction of your child, to go find out what's happening and make sure your child is okay. Especially with a toddler. Even though the grandfather was with her, a commotion could have been because the grandfather collapsed or something.

The mom said during an interview "when they told me that Chloe had died" she wasn't sure what had happened. People were telling her not to look out the window but she did and that is when she saw Chloe below on the pavement. It was sort of weird the way she said it in the interview. Was she told that Chloe had died even before she looked out the window? Who told her that? Apparently the big brother was the first one to get to Grandpa and the window so he saw what had happened first.....

Not that any of that matters now. What a horror.

So sorry that the big brother had to see any part of this! But, he ALREADY SAW it (according to PP) -- so the claim of the parents/lawyer that they didn't want the video to get out b/c they didn't want the brother to see it is (again) bogus! Apparently, he already saw far far worse than what the grainy video shows.

Kind of makes you not want to believe a word the parents/lawyer say, doesn't it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

I don't think that's weird. Maybe he was helping out while the parents unpacked, who knows.

Mom was nearby and ran over when she heard a commotion.

That's curious. Does every mother expect that a commotion involves their child? Or did she have a trust issue?

I think it's a pretty natural reaction, when you hear a commotion coming from the direction of your child, to go find out what's happening and make sure your child is okay. Especially with a toddler. Even though the grandfather was with her, a commotion could have been because the grandfather collapsed or something.

The mom said during an interview "when they told me that Chloe had died" she wasn't sure what had happened. People were telling her not to look out the window but she did and that is when she saw Chloe below on the pavement. It was sort of weird the way she said it in the interview. Was she told that Chloe had died even before she looked out the window? Who told her that? Apparently the big brother was the first one to get to Grandpa and the window so he saw what had happened first.....

Not that any of that matters now. What a horror.

So sorry that the big brother had to see any part of this! But, he ALREADY SAW it (according to PP) -- so the claim of the parents/lawyer that they didn't want the video to get out b/c they didn't want the brother to see it is (again) bogus! Apparently, he already saw far far worse than what the grainy video shows.

Kind of makes you not want to believe a word the parents/lawyer say, doesn't it?

The boy saw the aftermath but I don't think that he witnessed his grandfather holding Chloe out the window with one arm and then dropping her. I guess that's the part that they were trying to spare him? Poor kid. My heart goes out to him.

[Anonymous]

What the brother saw had to be far worse than what the video shows. It seems unlikely she hit the ground and remained intact.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if the whole charade is for the brother. So they don’t have to tell him grandpa killed his baby sister. The parents have to already know the truth. They have to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the whole charade is for the brother. So they don’t have to tell him grandpa killed his baby sister. The parents have to already know the truth. They have to.

I think the whole thing has been about getting money. The brother has just been the convenient excuse for not releasing the video.

There is nothing graphic about that video at all. The only thing upsetting and completely inexplicable thing about it is that it does not corroborate Grandpa's version of events.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if the whole charade is for the brother. So they don’t have to tell him grandpa killed his baby sister. The parents have to already know the truth. They have to.

I think the whole thing has been about getting money. The brother has just been the convenient excuse for not releasing the video.

There is nothing graphic about that video at all. The only thing upsetting and completely inexplicable thing about it is that it does not corroborate Grandpa's version of events.

To clarify - I mean this whole business of holding back the tape from being released - has been a strategy used by the lawyer to get a settlement out of RC.