The lawsuit against Royal Caribbean/toddler death

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

I don't think that's weird. Maybe he was helping out while the parents unpacked, who knows.

Mom was nearby and ran over when she heard a commotion.

That's curious. Does every mother expect that a commotion involves their child? Or did she have a trust issue?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

I don't think that's weird. Maybe he was helping out while the parents unpacked, who knows.

Mom was nearby and ran over when she heard a commotion.

That's curious. Does every mother expect that a commotion involves their child? Or did she have a trust issue?

Not sure of the details. Another poster said she was eating nearby.

[Anonymous]

I keep coming back to this thread because my brain can’t process it. How anyone could think it’s a good idea to hold a small child out a window is hard to comprehend.

Even if the window were closed, I would still be in risk-avoidance mode (thinking what if it has a crack and can easily break, what if pushing it flips it open, etc). I don’t trust things to be safe when the risk of injury/death is so high if something goes wrong. I get nervous anywhere high up, even places like the air and space museum upper level. I hold my kids hands and don’t let them wander too close to the railing.

Small children are so incredibly vulnerable. Even when I’m not with my own, I still feel an instinct to protect other people’s kids if I’m out in public (I’ve stopped a kid running away from a parent into a busy parking lot before). As an adult you are in such a place trust to handle these babies with such care and this grandpa abused that trust so much it’s hard to fathom.

[Anonymous]

I’m wondering if this man had ever raised any kids of his own. If not, that could explain the astonishing lack of common sense with regard to allowing the baby anywhere near the window. Granted, most people would know this inherently, but for the people without natural common sense, raising a couple of kids would fill in that gap for most people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I keep coming back to this thread because my brain can’t process it. How anyone could think it’s a good idea to hold a small child out a window is hard to comprehend.

Even if the window were closed, I would still be in risk-avoidance mode (thinking what if it has a crack and can easily break, what if pushing it flips it open, etc). I don’t trust things to be safe when the risk of injury/death is so high if something goes wrong. I get nervous anywhere high up, even places like the air and space museum upper level. I hold my kids hands and don’t let them wander too close to the railing.

Small children are so incredibly vulnerable. Even when I’m not with my own, I still feel an instinct to protect other people’s kids if I’m out in public (I’ve stopped a kid running away from a parent into a busy parking lot before). As an adult you are in such a place trust to handle these babies with such care and this grandpa abused that trust so much it’s hard to fathom.

I agree it is nearly impossible for any reasonable person to process. Losing a child is always unimaginable, but losing one to something so senseless and easily avoided...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

I don't think that's weird. Maybe he was helping out while the parents unpacked, who knows.

Mom was nearby and ran over when she heard a commotion.

That's curious. Does every mother expect that a commotion involves their child? Or did she have a trust issue?

Not sure of the details. Another poster said she was eating nearby.

I’m completely speculating here but it could be that she heard the grandfather scream, maybe he screamed at the babies name.

[Anonymous]

I tried to be such a careful parent, but even so my super wiggly toddler fell from her changing table once and I was horrified. Other times she got away from me in a store and would hide finding herself to be hilarious. I remember the time that she was 4 and I couldn't locate her at the pool only to notice her waving joyfully from the high dive. I did my absolutely best but sometimes I'm amazed that she got through her younger years unscathed.

I truly believe that grandpa f-ed up. However, as humans we all mess up. The consequences to this are horrific, but so many little things can end up with horrific outcomes.

In his head, I think he is desperately trying to rework things in his head and might actually believe the story he is telling himself. That said, there is no excuse for what is going on with the lawsuit. In no way is anyone except for the grandpa negligent. The family is out of their minds and need to watch the video and try to face the reality of what has happened. The grandfather will never forgive himself so should be working on that and not trying to create a false narrative. WATCH THE VIDEO, FAMILY!

They need to settle and end this. They need closure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that there were 6 adults on this trip (Chloe's parents, the Anellos, and also the dad's parents) and only two children (chloe and her brother) and yet no other adult is around during any of this, especially on embarkation day? Seems like the parents would want to be with the kids, especially to explore the ship the first day?

And another question: do we really believe the family has not seen the videos? I'm not sure I do...

I don't think that's weird. Maybe he was helping out while the parents unpacked, who knows.

Mom was nearby and ran over when she heard a commotion.

That's curious. Does every mother expect that a commotion involves their child? Or did she have a trust issue?

Not curious at all. I’m always investigating commotions. Just the other day I saw/heard sirens on the block behind us. Texted the neighbors who live over there to find out what was up.

It’s human nature to want to know what’s going on.

[Anonymous]

The grandfather is in IT. I notice two types in the field: either they are extremely bright (very rare, contrary to how important DCUMers think they are) and have little or no common sense - or (and this is FAR more common) they just aren't that bright, period - but got into the field because they thought it was the trendy thing to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I tried to be such a careful parent, but even so my super wiggly toddler fell from her changing table once and I was horrified. Other times she got away from me in a store and would hide finding herself to be hilarious. I remember the time that she was 4 and I couldn't locate her at the pool only to notice her waving joyfully from the high dive. I did my absolutely best but sometimes I'm amazed that she got through her younger years unscathed.

I truly believe that grandpa f-ed up. However, as humans we all mess up. The consequences to this are horrific, but so many little things can end up with horrific outcomes.

In his head, I think he is desperately trying to rework things in his head and might actually believe the story he is telling himself. That said, there is no excuse for what is going on with the lawsuit. In no way is anyone except for the grandpa negligent. The family is out of their minds and need to watch the video and try to face the reality of what has happened. The grandfather will never forgive himself so should be working on that and not trying to create a false narrative. WATCH THE VIDEO, FAMILY!

They need to settle and end this. They need closure.

+1

Most of us are just plain lucky, and should own it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I tried to be such a careful parent, but even so my super wiggly toddler fell from her changing table once and I was horrified. Other times she got away from me in a store and would hide finding herself to be hilarious. I remember the time that she was 4 and I couldn't locate her at the pool only to notice her waving joyfully from the high dive. I did my absolutely best but sometimes I'm amazed that she got through her younger years unscathed.

I truly believe that grandpa f-ed up. However, as humans we all mess up. The consequences to this are horrific, but so many little things can end up with horrific outcomes.

In his head, I think he is desperately trying to rework things in his head and might actually believe the story he is telling himself. That said, there is no excuse for what is going on with the lawsuit. In no way is anyone except for the grandpa negligent. The family is out of their minds and need to watch the video and try to face the reality of what has happened. The grandfather will never forgive himself so should be working on that and not trying to create a false narrative. WATCH THE VIDEO, FAMILY!

They need to settle and end this. They need closure.

Agree. They are absolutely prolonging and delaying the grieving process with this nonsense. That is why the Disney alligator family quietly and quickly settled and stayed out of the spotlight. Their public statement was that their family needed to grieve and have closure and not drag it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I tried to be such a careful parent, but even so my super wiggly toddler fell from her changing table once and I was horrified. Other times she got away from me in a store and would hide finding herself to be hilarious. I remember the time that she was 4 and I couldn't locate her at the pool only to notice her waving joyfully from the high dive. I did my absolutely best but sometimes I'm amazed that she got through her younger years unscathed.

I truly believe that grandpa f-ed up. However, as humans we all mess up. The consequences to this are horrific, but so many little things can end up with horrific outcomes.

In his head, I think he is desperately trying to rework things in his head and might actually believe the story he is telling himself. That said, there is no excuse for what is going on with the lawsuit. In no way is anyone except for the grandpa negligent. The family is out of their minds and need to watch the video and try to face the reality of what has happened. The grandfather will never forgive himself so should be working on that and not trying to create a false narrative. WATCH THE VIDEO, FAMILY!

They need to settle and end this. They need closure.

+1

Most of us are just plain lucky, and should own it.

I agree that most of us are lucky, but this wasn't bad luck. This was stupidity. There is a big difference. Losing sight of her and her falling in the pool is bad luck. He actively created the danger here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science.

This man (Anello), had limited experience with toddlers and children in general.

Men tend to take more risks with kids. He thought he was being cool by giving the child a thrill. He thought he could hold on to her. He put her weight away from his center of gravity. He's not very strong (obviously, he sit in front of a computer everyday, he's over weight). He lost his grip.

There's nothing wrong with his mental functioning. He's not senile or ADHD.

As we were talking about this, my DH (who is 59) said that there is a story in his family where his dad almost dropped him off a boat when he was a baby! His dad would have been around 22 yrs old at the time when he dangled DH (a baby at the time) off a boat. This was just a little personal boat, but still.... men think they are being "fun" and "cool" by interacting with babies/kids in a "thrilling" way. They don't understand how babies move, and they don't take into account the real risk. Fortunately for DH, he didn't fall.

Anello screwed up big time. He should plead guilty, take the probation, the parents should take RC's "condolence" gift, and they all need to move on. Pretending that they are only out to save the next kid from a dangerous ship is ridiculous.

I am a man but none of that seems cool or thrilling. The sidewalks around here are thrilling enough with small children.[/quote]

Yet, every single weekday I see small children playing in the street at the bus stop, and parents think staring at the passing drivers will prevent anything horrific. Some parents are more negligent than this grandfather, truly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do feel badly for Grandpa. I'm sure it wasn't malicious. Its probably not his fault that he's not smart and/or has no common sense.

Yeah, he works in IT. They don't train you for common sense and IT is generally staffed with idiots.

+1

See PP. No common sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not rocket science.

This man (Anello), had limited experience with toddlers and children in general.

Men tend to take more risks with kids. He thought he was being cool by giving the child a thrill. He thought he could hold on to her. He put her weight away from his center of gravity. He's not very strong (obviously, he sit in front of a computer everyday, he's over weight). He lost his grip.

There's nothing wrong with his mental functioning. He's not senile or ADHD.

As we were talking about this, my DH (who is 59) said that there is a story in his family where his dad almost dropped him off a boat when he was a baby! His dad would have been around 22 yrs old at the time when he dangled DH (a baby at the time) off a boat. This was just a little personal boat, but still.... men think they are being "fun" and "cool" by interacting with babies/kids in a "thrilling" way. They don't understand how babies move, and they don't take into account the real risk. Fortunately for DH, he didn't fall.

Anello screwed up big time. He should plead guilty, take the probation, the parents should take RC's "condolence" gift, and they all need to move on. Pretending that they are only out to save the next kid from a dangerous ship is ridiculous.

I am a man but none of that seems cool or thrilling. The sidewalks around here are thrilling enough with small children.

The way people drive around here, walking from the supermarket to your car is thrilling with small children.

Question: Why on earth do people walk in the middle of the road here? Is it the same mentality as the grandfather in this case? Seems so. Easy to blame someone else, isn't it?