Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you are fundamentally right but as you can see too many folks are still addicted to racism.

It's like a virus, and no effective treatment exists.

OP here, and thank you.

What some of the people around here who are saying that we still need race-based AA because blacks still are trailing seem unable to comprehend is that an SES-based AA policy would still help poor blacks. It seems to me that they are arguing that AFFLUENT blacks should still get the advantage too, even though that discriminates angainst poor whites. That is what is racist.

liberals need to keep blacks thinking they are the victim class and that whites are all racist

Not liberals.

The illiberal fakes that pose as "liberals" in the US.

We should just call them racists.

Hey now... let's not call them racists. Liberals have good intentions even if they've chosen a path that includes support for racist policies like affirmative action. Just because someone supports a racist policy, doesn't mean they are racists. They may think the racist policy is a temporary corrective measure to achieve greater equality. We can attack the evil of racist policies, but lets not call our liberal friends "racists".

I will continue to consider my liberal neighbors racists because everyone of them told me they came to the area for schools, that is the 99% white schools.

That's just irrational. People who move for good schools are not doing so because of the demographics of the schools. People who send their kids to TJ aren't doing so because it's majority Asian. Again, let's stop it with the name-calling unless you can point to actual racist beliefs.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you are fundamentally right but as you can see too many folks are still addicted to racism.

It's like a virus, and no effective treatment exists.

OP here, and thank you.

What some of the people around here who are saying that we still need race-based AA because blacks still are trailing seem unable to comprehend is that an SES-based AA policy would still help poor blacks. It seems to me that they are arguing that AFFLUENT blacks should still get the advantage too, even though that discriminates angainst poor whites. That is what is racist.

liberals need to keep blacks thinking they are the victim class and that whites are all racist

Not liberals.

The illiberal fakes that pose as "liberals" in the US.

We should just call them racists.

Hey now... let's not call them racists. Liberals have good intentions even if they've chosen a path that includes support for racist policies like affirmative action. Just because someone supports a racist policy, doesn't mean they are racists. They may think the racist policy is a temporary corrective measure to achieve greater equality. We can attack the evil of racist policies, but lets not call our liberal friends "racists".

I will continue to consider my liberal neighbors racists because everyone of them told me they came to the area for schools, that is the 99% white schools.

Fair point.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

Why is med school your lifelong dream? Do you hope to help heal the sick, and reduce the suffering in the world? There are many other professions where you can do this, and not worry about the limited number of spots. You could be a nurse, or a physician's assistant. Or go into medical research, and maybe get a PhD, help find cures for some of these diseases.

Or is med school your lifelong dream because you want to make a lot of money?

1) If making a lot of money was my dream, I'd be an overpaid lawyer - like many on DCUM. Med school is much tougher than law school.

2) I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about a white person who has dreamed of med school his entire life, earned nearly all As, and found himself displaced by a black kid with a B average because.....he's black.

3) And why should the more academically accomplished white student have to dial back his dream, and instead become a PA or nurse, so a black stident with lower grades can get HIS dream of med school? Why aren't you asking why the lower-scoring black student adjust HIS goals and become a PA? Why should the white kid make the sacrifice when he is the better student?

In your fantasy world. You all make sh1t up 24x7.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you are fundamentally right but as you can see too many folks are still addicted to racism.

It's like a virus, and no effective treatment exists.

OP here, and thank you.

What some of the people around here who are saying that we still need race-based AA because blacks still are trailing seem unable to comprehend is that an SES-based AA policy would still help poor blacks. It seems to me that they are arguing that AFFLUENT blacks should still get the advantage too, even though that discriminates angainst poor whites. That is what is racist.

liberals need to keep blacks thinking they are the victim class and that whites are all racist

Not liberals.

The illiberal fakes that pose as "liberals" in the US.

We should just call them racists.

Hey now... let's not call them racists. Liberals have good intentions even if they've chosen a path that includes support for racist policies like affirmative action. Just because someone supports a racist policy, doesn't mean they are racists. They may think the racist policy is a temporary corrective measure to achieve greater equality. We can attack the evil of racist policies, but lets not call our liberal friends "racists".

I will continue to consider my liberal neighbors racists because everyone of them told me they came to the area for schools, that is the 99% white schools.

That's just irrational. People who move for good schools are not doing so because of the demographics of the schools. People who send their kids to TJ aren't doing so because it's majority Asian. Again, let's stop it with the name-calling unless you can point to actual racist beliefs.

They are liars. Full of sh1t. No grasp on reality or truth.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you are fundamentally right but as you can see too many folks are still addicted to racism.

It's like a virus, and no effective treatment exists.

OP here, and thank you.

What some of the people around here who are saying that we still need race-based AA because blacks still are trailing seem unable to comprehend is that an SES-based AA policy would still help poor blacks. It seems to me that they are arguing that AFFLUENT blacks should still get the advantage too, even though that discriminates angainst poor whites. That is what is racist.

liberals need to keep blacks thinking they are the victim class and that whites are all racist

Not liberals.

The illiberal fakes that pose as "liberals" in the US.

We should just call them racists.

Hey now... let's not call them racists. Liberals have good intentions even if they've chosen a path that includes support for racist policies like affirmative action. Just because someone supports a racist policy, doesn't mean they are racists. They may think the racist policy is a temporary corrective measure to achieve greater equality. We can attack the evil of racist policies, but lets not call our liberal friends "racists".

I will continue to consider my liberal neighbors racists because everyone of them told me they came to the area for schools, that is the 99% white schools.

That's just irrational. People who move for good schools are not doing so because of the demographics of the schools. People who send their kids to TJ aren't doing so because it's majority Asian. Again, let's stop it with the name-calling unless you can point to actual racist beliefs.

They are liars. Full of sh1t. No grasp on reality or truth.

Now I just think you are trolling. You are no different than the liberals calling conservatives racists or evil. There is no place for you in a rational conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

Why is med school your lifelong dream? Do you hope to help heal the sick, and reduce the suffering in the world? There are many other professions where you can do this, and not worry about the limited number of spots. You could be a nurse, or a physician's assistant. Or go into medical research, and maybe get a PhD, help find cures for some of these diseases.

Or is med school your lifelong dream because you want to make a lot of money?

1) If making a lot of money was my dream, I'd be an overpaid lawyer - like many on DCUM. Med school is much tougher than law school.

2) I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about a white person who has dreamed of med school his entire life, earned nearly all As, and found himself displaced by a black kid with a B average because.....he's black.

3) And why should the more academically accomplished white student have to dial back his dream, and instead become a PA or nurse, so a black stident with lower grades can get HIS dream of med school? Why aren't you asking why the lower-scoring black student adjust HIS goals and become a PA? Why should the white kid make the sacrifice when he is the better student?

In your fantasy world. You all make sh1t up 24x7.

Don't tell me that you are unaware that white kids with 3.8 GPA are rejected from the very same institutions that accept black kids with a 3.2. Apaprently, you don't like the truth, so you claim it's made-up sh!t.

You leftists demand the continuation of AA policies that involve significantly lower admission stamdards for black kids, and then want to deny that black kids are getting in as a result of racial preferences. You can't have it both ways.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

Why is med school your lifelong dream? Do you hope to help heal the sick, and reduce the suffering in the world? There are many other professions where you can do this, and not worry about the limited number of spots. You could be a nurse, or a physician's assistant. Or go into medical research, and maybe get a PhD, help find cures for some of these diseases.

Or is med school your lifelong dream because you want to make a lot of money?

1) If making a lot of money was my dream, I'd be an overpaid lawyer - like many on DCUM. Med school is much tougher than law school.

2) I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about a white person who has dreamed of med school his entire life, earned nearly all As, and found himself displaced by a black kid with a B average because.....he's black.

3) And why should the more academically accomplished white student have to dial back his dream, and instead become a PA or nurse, so a black stident with lower grades can get HIS dream of med school? Why aren't you asking why the lower-scoring black student adjust HIS goals and become a PA? Why should the white kid make the sacrifice when he is the better student?

In your fantasy world. You all make sh1t up 24x7.

Don't tell me that you are unaware that white kids with 3.8 GPA are rejected from the very same institutions that accept black kids with a 3.2. Apaprently, you don't like the truth, so you claim it's made-up sh!t.

You leftists demand the continuation of AA policies that involve significantly lower admission stamdards for black kids, and then want to deny that black kids are getting in as a result of racial preferences. You can't have it both ways.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

Why is med school your lifelong dream? Do you hope to help heal the sick, and reduce the suffering in the world? There are many other professions where you can do this, and not worry about the limited number of spots. You could be a nurse, or a physician's assistant. Or go into medical research, and maybe get a PhD, help find cures for some of these diseases.

Or is med school your lifelong dream because you want to make a lot of money?

1) If making a lot of money was my dream, I'd be an overpaid lawyer - like many on DCUM. Med school is much tougher than law school.

2) I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about a white person who has dreamed of med school his entire life, earned nearly all As, and found himself displaced by a black kid with a B average because.....he's black.

3) And why should the more academically accomplished white student have to dial back his dream, and instead become a PA or nurse, so a black stident with lower grades can get HIS dream of med school? Why aren't you asking why the lower-scoring black student adjust HIS goals and become a PA? Why should the white kid make the sacrifice when he is the better student?

In your fantasy world. You all make sh1t up 24x7.

Don't tell me that you are unaware that white kids with 3.8 GPA are rejected from the very same institutions that accept black kids with a 3.2. Apaprently, you don't like the truth, so you claim it's made-up sh!t.

You leftists demand the continuation of AA policies that involve significantly lower admission stamdards for black kids, and then want to deny that black kids are getting in as a result of racial preferences. You can't have it both ways.

This.

Yep.....denial of handicaps is idiotic at best.

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Life is not fair. END OF THREAD.

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When 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes then you get profiled. Why not drill down on why that level of criminality exists instead of whining about the results. These are DOJ statistics BTW.....go look them up.

OK, so then since the majority of mass shooters tend to be white males, we should profile ALL white males, and do double background checks and mental health checks when they go to buy a gun. Instead of whining about your rights being taken away, why not drill down to that level of criminality and why most of the mass shooters tend to be white males?

See how that works?

Fine by me. As long as you do the same for black males buying guns

I've no problem with that, either. So we have a deal? You can profile black males, and we have extreme strict gun control with mental health checks for all male gun buyers. Deal!

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

Why is med school your lifelong dream? Do you hope to help heal the sick, and reduce the suffering in the world? There are many other professions where you can do this, and not worry about the limited number of spots. You could be a nurse, or a physician's assistant. Or go into medical research, and maybe get a PhD, help find cures for some of these diseases.

Or is med school your lifelong dream because you want to make a lot of money?

1) If making a lot of money was my dream, I'd be an overpaid lawyer - like many on DCUM. Med school is much tougher than law school.

2) I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about a white person who has dreamed of med school his entire life, earned nearly all As, and found himself displaced by a black kid with a B average because.....he's black.

3) And why should the more academically accomplished white student have to dial back his dream, and instead become a PA or nurse, so a black stident with lower grades can get HIS dream of med school? Why aren't you asking why the lower-scoring black student adjust HIS goals and become a PA? Why should the white kid make the sacrifice when he is the better student?

In your fantasy world. You all make sh1t up 24x7.

Don't tell me that you are unaware that white kids with 3.8 GPA are rejected from the very same institutions that accept black kids with a 3.2. Apaprently, you don't like the truth, so you claim it's made-up sh!t.

You leftists demand the continuation of AA policies that involve significantly lower admission stamdards for black kids, and then want to deny that black kids are getting in as a result of racial preferences. You can't have it both ways.

Why didn’t that white kid beat out one of all the other white kids and Asians who got into med school? Because plenty of them made it.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

Why is med school your lifelong dream? Do you hope to help heal the sick, and reduce the suffering in the world? There are many other professions where you can do this, and not worry about the limited number of spots. You could be a nurse, or a physician's assistant. Or go into medical research, and maybe get a PhD, help find cures for some of these diseases.

Or is med school your lifelong dream because you want to make a lot of money?

1) If making a lot of money was my dream, I'd be an overpaid lawyer - like many on DCUM. Med school is much tougher than law school.

2) I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about a white person who has dreamed of med school his entire life, earned nearly all As, and found himself displaced by a black kid with a B average because.....he's black.

3) And why should the more academically accomplished white student have to dial back his dream, and instead become a PA or nurse, so a black stident with lower grades can get HIS dream of med school? Why aren't you asking why the lower-scoring black student adjust HIS goals and become a PA? Why should the white kid make the sacrifice when he is the better student?

In your fantasy world. You all make sh1t up 24x7.

Don't tell me that you are unaware that white kids with 3.8 GPA are rejected from the very same institutions that accept black kids with a 3.2. Apaprently, you don't like the truth, so you claim it's made-up sh!t.

You leftists demand the continuation of AA policies that involve significantly lower admission stamdards for black kids, and then want to deny that black kids are getting in as a result of racial preferences. You can't have it both ways.

My point was that you made up that particular scenario. It's fiction. That is not something that actually happened to someone you know. It's all in your head.

First, let's talk about the earlier example that you made up.

1) Med school admissions is crazy competitive. "Nearly all As" isn't quite good enough for some schools. It was far more likely that he was NOT displaced by anyone. He just didn't make the cut.
2) Let's say you do actually know a kid who applied for med school -- how far into the process did he get? How many interviews did he get?
3) How do you know the GPA for the URM kids who were accepted into those schools? Why do you think they have a "B average"?
4) Why do you think it was a black person vs. another URM?

And then let's talk about this new scenario that you just made up.
5) Now you are comparing a 3.8 vs. 3.2. Why are you changing the details now?

BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FACTS. You are just making up scenarios to support your argument.

Stop the BS and come back with facts if you are trying to make up a point.

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https://www.aamc.org/download/321498/data/factstablea18.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

Why is med school your lifelong dream? Do you hope to help heal the sick, and reduce the suffering in the world? There are many other professions where you can do this, and not worry about the limited number of spots. You could be a nurse, or a physician's assistant. Or go into medical research, and maybe get a PhD, help find cures for some of these diseases.

Or is med school your lifelong dream because you want to make a lot of money?

1) If making a lot of money was my dream, I'd be an overpaid lawyer - like many on DCUM. Med school is much tougher than law school.

2) I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about a white person who has dreamed of med school his entire life, earned nearly all As, and found himself displaced by a black kid with a B average because.....he's black.

3) And why should the more academically accomplished white student have to dial back his dream, and instead become a PA or nurse, so a black stident with lower grades can get HIS dream of med school? Why aren't you asking why the lower-scoring black student adjust HIS goals and become a PA? Why should the white kid make the sacrifice when he is the better student?

In your fantasy world. You all make sh1t up 24x7.

Don't tell me that you are unaware that white kids with 3.8 GPA are rejected from the very same institutions that accept black kids with a 3.2. Apaprently, you don't like the truth, so you claim it's made-up sh!t.

You leftists demand the continuation of AA policies that involve significantly lower admission stamdards for black kids, and then want to deny that black kids are getting in as a result of racial preferences. You can't have it both ways.

This.

Yep.....denial of handicaps is idiotic at best.

Yup

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

Why is med school your lifelong dream? Do you hope to help heal the sick, and reduce the suffering in the world? There are many other professions where you can do this, and not worry about the limited number of spots. You could be a nurse, or a physician's assistant. Or go into medical research, and maybe get a PhD, help find cures for some of these diseases.

Or is med school your lifelong dream because you want to make a lot of money?

1) If making a lot of money was my dream, I'd be an overpaid lawyer - like many on DCUM. Med school is much tougher than law school.

2) I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about a white person who has dreamed of med school his entire life, earned nearly all As, and found himself displaced by a black kid with a B average because.....he's black.

3) And why should the more academically accomplished white student have to dial back his dream, and instead become a PA or nurse, so a black stident with lower grades can get HIS dream of med school? Why aren't you asking why the lower-scoring black student adjust HIS goals and become a PA? Why should the white kid make the sacrifice when he is the better student?

In your fantasy world. You all make sh1t up 24x7.

Don't tell me that you are unaware that white kids with 3.8 GPA are rejected from the very same institutions that accept black kids with a 3.2. Apaprently, you don't like the truth, so you claim it's made-up sh!t.

You leftists demand the continuation of AA policies that involve significantly lower admission stamdards for black kids, and then want to deny that black kids are getting in as a result of racial preferences. You can't have it both ways.

My point was that you made up that particular scenario. It's fiction. That is not something that actually happened to someone you know. It's all in your head.

First, let's talk about the earlier example that you made up.

1) Med school admissions is crazy competitive. "Nearly all As" isn't quite good enough for some schools. It was far more likely that he was NOT displaced by anyone. He just didn't make the cut.
2) Let's say you do actually know a kid who applied for med school -- how far into the process did he get? How many interviews did he get?
3) How do you know the GPA for the URM kids who were accepted into those schools? Why do you think they have a "B average"?
4) Why do you think it was a black person vs. another URM?

And then let's talk about this new scenario that you just made up.
5) Now you are comparing a 3.8 vs. 3.2. Why are you changing the details now?

BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FACTS. You are just making up scenarios to support your argument.

Stop the BS and come back with facts if you are trying to make up a point.

OMG. You really are in denial.

The example I used is right from the AAMC website (which another poster linked to) that clearly shows how many whites with 3.8 are accepted/rejected compared to blacks with that average. News flash: plenty of whites get rejected at the level, and virtually all blacks get in. Now look at the 3.2, where if you're a white, you won't get into med school. A black with that GPA - quite common to get in.

Stop,demanding that preferential treatment be given to blacks, and then pitch a fit when someone points out how that means blacks with much lower grades than whites get admitted. A the difference is substantial.