Girl Raped at Rockville HS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am the Mom of a 5 yo so not dealing with HS issues yet. I am shocked though that 18yo's can be freshman. I don't want my 14yo in class with 17 and 18 yo's. Is this true for all HS's in Moco?

AGREED!
My 5th grader has an almost 14 year old in hr class & she's 11!

Wow. My 5th grader is only 10- she turns 11 in August.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Milo posted about it on FB.

Who's Milo?

The pedophile that is the republican's post boy for we don't hate gays.

This is the best description of him I've ever read.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS, you better be conducting security assessments for your facilities. Right now. There are plenty of MCPS parents who are security experts (like me)- lots of FBI agents, cops, military- who would do this for free. So don't let cost be a factor.

I'd love to hear how this might be done. Would it involve an assessment of school culture and risks, as well as the building itself? I'd also be interested to know what sort of recommendations might come out of a security assessment for a school. Cameras? Hall monitors? Programs geared to certain sub-populations within the schools? Other? Asking because I love the idea but don't understand what it might entail.

I'd be interested in hearing more also. Sounds like they already have cameras. The principal could obviously use some guidance on this since she wrote a very weak letter in response to the incident.

I'm the person who wrote this. There are different methodologies for security asssessments. A robust assessment would include an understanding of the threat (e.g., what threats to security have happened, have been attempted, have been threatened); risk (what is likely to happen at the low and high end, and of that what can be managed with countermeasures) and vulnerability (what about the security environment can be exploited by a bad guy?) The fact that the child screamed and fought strongly suggests that RHS has vulnerability issues that could be mitigated.

What does mitigation look like? Sometimes it is cameras and guards but there is more to it than that. This bathroom was secluded, and secluded areas are vulnerable. You can change foot traffic by where you set up offices, how you funnel traffic through (i.e., making it so that people have to traverse an area) in order to avoid a dead zone. I'm sure MCPS has had some of this done but it clearly needs more and I'm positive that parents with this expertise would do it for free. I would.

Thank you. That sounds feasible and reasonable.

MCPS obviously has some vulnerabilities and it would be worthwhile to assess them.

[Anonymous]

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Horrible things sadly do happen in school, but incidents of assault, rape, murder, and kidnapping have increased dramatically with the increase of teen refugees and illegal aliens. They are often not reported or make the news because it doesn't look well.

Ok, I can see how rape victims are afraid to report their crimes and that's very unfortunate.. but do you have evidence that _murders_ are not being reported? While the victim certainly can't report it, it's not that easy to hide a dead body, especially given the lack of sophistication of many criminals.

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Anonymous wrote:If they are convicted, why should taxpayers pay for their incarceration? Can they just be deported? The process has already been started for the adult.

It's a good question. I think if they were deported, they may not serve as much time in their home country. Rape is a serious crime here (the suspects in this case face life in prison) but not necessarily where they are from. So would it be considered justice served for the victim if the perpetrator receives a life sentence here in the US, then is instead deported and serves only 5 years? (and maybe enters the US illegally again)

Personally, I think it's better justice to keep them locked up here. Yes, it's expensive, but I don't see the alternative as being any better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS, you better be conducting security assessments for your facilities. Right now. There are plenty of MCPS parents who are security experts (like me)- lots of FBI agents, cops, military- who would do this for free. So don't let cost be a factor.

I'd love to hear how this might be done. Would it involve an assessment of school culture and risks, as well as the building itself? I'd also be interested to know what sort of recommendations might come out of a security assessment for a school. Cameras? Hall monitors? Programs geared to certain sub-populations within the schools? Other? Asking because I love the idea but don't understand what it might entail.

I'd be interested in hearing more also. Sounds like they already have cameras. The principal could obviously use some guidance on this since she wrote a very weak letter in response to the incident.

I'm the person who wrote this. There are different methodologies for security asssessments. A robust assessment would include an understanding of the threat (e.g., what threats to security have happened, have been attempted, have been threatened); risk (what is likely to happen at the low and high end, and of that what can be managed with countermeasures) and vulnerability (what about the security environment can be exploited by a bad guy?) The fact that the child screamed and fought strongly suggests that RHS has vulnerability issues that could be mitigated.

What does mitigation look like? Sometimes it is cameras and guards but there is more to it than that. This bathroom was secluded, and secluded areas are vulnerable. You can change foot traffic by where you set up offices, how you funnel traffic through (i.e., making it so that people have to traverse an area) in order to avoid a dead zone. I'm sure MCPS has had some of this done but it clearly needs more and I'm positive that parents with this expertise would do it for free. I would.

Thank you. That sounds feasible and reasonable.

MCPS obviously has some vulnerabilities and it would be worthwhile to assess them.

Yes, the most effective countermeasures are basic human engineering and are low cost and only slightly painful to implement. People who immediately point to cameras and guards are just trying to sell you something.

[Anonymous]

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I really wish legal immigrants would fight this battle. They worked long and hard to be here and are being tarnished by illegal immigrants.

They are to some extent: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Beat/2017/Area-Residents-Divided-Over-Proposed-Rockville-Immigration-Ordinance/

Looks like Asians, basically model immigrants, are starting to make their voices heard.

[Anonymous]

So... no statement from MoCo's County Exec (Leggett) or anyone on the County Council? Lovely.

I'm glad we passed term limits last November on MoCo elected officials. Half of them will be out at next election.

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Anonymous wrote:I came to this thread late and wanted to find "real news" confirmation about the allegations (i.e. that the perps are illegal) without paging through all the posts. I think it's telling that I couldn't easily find anything on wapo.com.

I think there was a link to the WaPo article?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/local/public-safety/two-rockville-high-students-arrested-after-allegedly-raping-14-year-old-at-school/2017/03/17/a31cf300-0b30-11e7-924c-25b7f4fdf51d_story.htm

There were over 200 rapes last year and you just want to confirm that this one <1% of the rapes was by an illegal immigrant?

Yes, this one hits home. In school, during class, young victim, old male students committed the crime, etc. yes. I only care THIS one. Do you want to bail out the poor 'kids' who escaped gang and violence in their home country? Do you want to open your home for them?

I don't want to open my home to any rapists. I actually have not read any rape reports that I thought wow this one ... Not a big deal. Especially middle aged white men, like milo, having sex with children.

I dont know who Mili is but I know two illegal "kids" raped a 14 y girl in a high school during class time. It is not a big deal to you but it is very BIG deal to me and other parents. You heartless SB

[Anonymous]

I don't think the problem here is illegal immigrants. Let's say MCPS decided to check immigration status of any student who enrolls, and reject those who are not legal. Do we really want a bunch of uneducated kids roaming the streets? There is a correlation between level of education and level of criminal activity. Remember not all illegal immigrants are 17 year old rapist males -- there's also 5 year old girls, etc. Should we deny them education?

To me, the issue is:

1. Rockville HS is set up in such a way that it was not difficult to commit this horrendous crime. I don't care about the immigration status of the perpretrators, as the next time around, it could be a native-born citizen or legal immigrant. I care that the school it set up to allow it. MCPS needs to review security procedures county-wide.
2. MCPS is allowing 18 year olds to enroll in 9th grade. They should separate them.

There is one bright side in this -- Rockville HS handled the situation very well. When the victim came forward, they immediately called MCPD and handed it over to the professionals there, instead of trying to investigate on their own or dissuade the victim from coming foward. The perpetrators were apprehended within hours of the crime -- kudos to that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it it interesting that the same people that are certain it's rape, are demanding patience about the perps legal status.
So which is it? Presumption of guilt or wait for facts?

The immigration status of the accused is relevant to the assault how, exactly?

Because, if they are illegal, it is yet another crime that should have never been committed if our immigration laws were properly enforced.

Deport all illegals, we don't need to import crime.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think the problem here is illegal immigrants. Let's say MCPS decided to check immigration status of any student who enrolls, and reject those who are not legal. Do we really want a bunch of uneducated kids roaming the streets? There is a correlation between level of education and level of criminal activity. Remember not all illegal immigrants are 17 year old rapist males -- there's also 5 year old girls, etc. Should we deny them education?

To me, the issue is:

1. Rockville HS is set up in such a way that it was not difficult to commit this horrendous crime. I don't care about the immigration status of the perpretrators, as the next time around, it could be a native-born citizen or legal immigrant. I care that the school it set up to allow it. MCPS needs to review security procedures county-wide.
2. MCPS is allowing 18 year olds to enroll in 9th grade. They should separate them.

There is one bright side in this -- Rockville HS handled the situation very well. When the victim came forward, they immediately called MCPD and handed it over to the professionals there, instead of trying to investigate on their own or dissuade the victim from coming foward. The perpetrators were apprehended within hours of the crime -- kudos to that.

No. Deport all illegals immediately.

Ok, but that's never going to result in no illegal immigrants (and it will crash our economy). First, if we put them all on a 50-seater bus, and had a bus depart the US every 30 minutes, it would take over 10 years to deport all of them. Meanwhile, people are still coming in. A wall won't help much -- the majority of illegal immigrants arrive legally (student or tourist visa) then just overstay and don't go back.

I just don't think "deport all illegals" is a practical short-term solution.

[Anonymous]

How much responsibility does the principal and MCPS hold? Illegals walking the halls when class is in session. Time for change.

[Anonymous]

This whole thing is so outrageous.

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Anonymous wrote:Ex criminal lawyer here. There may be other victims at this school. MCPS will tread very lightly here to prevent lawsuits and to not offend the hispanic community. The victim is the last concern to them.

I was wondering this. The attackers raped the girl and just stayed at school, went on with their day. Isn't it possible that this has happened before, but the victims have not come forward?

+1,000,000,000