UVA student missing

[Anonymous]

I used to walk around my college town drunk and alone late at night all the time. Once I did get lost while walking. And this was before I had a cell phone. Sometimes I look back and can't believe how reckless and dumb I was.

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Anonymous wrote:The guy with dreds was the guy in the video who made the u-turn and followed her? The other guy lurking in the doorway was sketchy as well-'what if they were working together?

Totally possible, wonder if the cops are looking into that

3 males were at the apartment when cops showed up to seize the vehicle early today (and later search the apartment). They IDed all 3 of them before letting them go on their way (they didn't have probable cause to detain them)..I, too, am wondering if this may have involved more than 1 suspect.

Hopefully one of them will get scared and rat everyone out.

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Anonymous wrote:The guy with dreds was the guy in the video who made the u-turn and followed her? The other guy lurking in the doorway was sketchy as well-'what if they were working together?

Totally possible, wonder if the cops are looking into that

3 males were at the apartment when cops showed up to seize the vehicle early today (and later search the apartment). They IDed all 3 of them before letting them go on their way (they didn't have probable cause to detain them)..I, too, am wondering if this may have involved more than 1 suspect.

Hopefully one of them will get scared and rat everyone out.

Especially if the serial killer thing is hanging over their heads.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most men- the VAST majority of men -are good and protective towards women.

Doesn't really matter, when the VAST majority of violent criminals are men. You can pretty much bet that if some kind of foul play was involved in the disappearance of this girl, that the perpetrator was male. Highly, highly likely. Not 100.00%, but very probable.

As a woman who has traveled alone, walked alone at night, jogs on trails alone, I know this. If I see or hear someone else, my internal-guard will naturally rise. If they are coming closer and I notice they are female, my guard will lower, and I'll feel more at ease. If they are male, I stay much more guarded - their age, race, height, etc doesn't matter. I know other women feel the same way, and you can see the relief on another woman's face when they realize the person jogging in the other direction is a fellow female. We know the statistics. And it's simply not fair to ask women to constantly change their habits, when they're the ones doing absolutely nothing wrong.

My dad drilled it into my head that I never jog after dark. I never run on trails---stay near busy roads when jogging alone. I don't walk home late at night, etc.

My brother would jog in HS at 10pm at night. He's 6'3". Yes- double standard but it made sense. He is less likely a target.

I am always worried when I see young girls running in the dark in the late hours. I see GU and AU students on trails alone. I can only think they were taught zero street smarts.

Don't run with headphones. Be aware. Fwiw- I am an 8-time marathon runner.

You had a smart, loving dad! For those women on this thread who want to take chances being alone in the dark of night and possibly drinking to prove some point that they have that right, then there may be times that they'll have to live with the consequences of their choices, although I think men need to be more careful as well. Too much crime occurs after dark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I used to walk around my college town drunk and alone late at night all the time. Once I did get lost while walking. And this was before I had a cell phone. Sometimes I look back and can't believe how reckless and dumb I was.

Me too. We were the lucky ones.

[Anonymous]

Me, too. I am lucky, that's the only way to explain it. I hope this family gets good news and I pray for them if they don't.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they find her soon.. Wonder why she didn't call the police , if she was lost. What kind of friends let their drunk friend head out alone ?!

Please don't judge her friends. There were many times during my own college days when I was feeling carefree and having fun and I didn't want to leave a party when my friends were tired and ready to go home. I stayed at the party, they left and sometimes I walked home alone. Nothing bad ever happened to me and honestly it never dawned on me that anything bad would ever happen to me (I was 5'5". 120 pounds at most). She probably didn't call police because she was...underage and a bit intoxicated? I mean duh.

But this is wrong thinking, and women need more guidance and encouragement to not do what you did. You were really fortunate.

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I would have missed out on so MUCH if I had thought like this. You are only young ONCE. Yes, I took chances. In hindsight I took lots of chances. It was SOOO worth it to me. There is nothing like being young and perfectly free. I will never regret it freaking living as a young adult.

Well...good for you?

Yes, good for me. That does not mean that my heart does not break for Hannnah. I'm worried for her and I hope that she'll be found safe. At the same time, young women should be able to walk around independent after dark w/o being labeled as ...unwise.

Huh? This has been unwise since the dawn of time. Out of touch with reality much?

And yet, the same shit still happens to women, no matter the time or era, despite constantly telling women to "be more responsible." Maybe we should stop telling women to do, and focus on telling men not to do awful shit?

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Anonymous wrote:Most men- the VAST majority of men -are good and protective towards women.

Doesn't really matter, when the VAST majority of violent criminals are men. You can pretty much bet that if some kind of foul play was involved in the disappearance of this girl, that the perpetrator was male. Highly, highly likely. Not 100.00%, but very probable.

As a woman who has traveled alone, walked alone at night, jogs on trails alone, I know this. If I see or hear someone else, my internal-guard will naturally rise. If they are coming closer and I notice they are female, my guard will lower, and I'll feel more at ease. If they are male, I stay much more guarded - their age, race, height, etc doesn't matter. I know other women feel the same way, and you can see the relief on another woman's face when they realize the person jogging in the other direction is a fellow female. We know the statistics. And it's simply not fair to ask women to constantly change their habits, when they're the ones doing absolutely nothing wrong.

My dad drilled it into my head that I never jog after dark. I never run on trails---stay near busy roads when jogging alone. I don't walk home late at night, etc.

My brother would jog in HS at 10pm at night. He's 6'3". Yes- double standard but it made sense. He is less likely a target.

I am always worried when I see young girls running in the dark in the late hours. I see GU and AU students on trails alone. I can only think they were taught zero street smarts.

Don't run with headphones. Be aware. Fwiw- I am an 8-time marathon runner.

We have very, very different interpretations of "street smarts." For me, being "street smart" doesn't mean staying home afraid of the dark. "Street smart" means going about my life, not living in fear, but being aware of my surroundings. Maybe carrying pepper spray if I'm out for a run on a trail, or in my pocket if I'm walking home at night. It means traveling alone, but not sticking out like a sore thumb, and being in public areas. It means remaining alert, etc. It's interesting to me how you automatically judge a woman as NOT being street smart if they're out at night or jogging on a trail.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they find her soon.. Wonder why she didn't call the police , if she was lost. What kind of friends let their drunk friend head out alone ?!

Please don't judge her friends. There were many times during my own college days when I was feeling carefree and having fun and I didn't want to leave a party when my friends were tired and ready to go home. I stayed at the party, they left and sometimes I walked home alone. Nothing bad ever happened to me and honestly it never dawned on me that anything bad would ever happen to me (I was 5'5". 120 pounds at most). She probably didn't call police because she was...underage and a bit intoxicated? I mean duh.

But this is wrong thinking, and women need more guidance and encouragement to not do what you did. You were really fortunate.

+1

I would have missed out on so MUCH if I had thought like this. You are only young ONCE. Yes, I took chances. In hindsight I took lots of chances. It was SOOO worth it to me. There is nothing like being young and perfectly free. I will never regret it freaking living as a young adult.

Well...good for you?

Yes, good for me. That does not mean that my heart does not break for Hannnah. I'm worried for her and I hope that she'll be found safe. At the same time, young women should be able to walk around independent after dark w/o being labeled as ...unwise.

Huh? This has been unwise since the dawn of time. Out of touch with reality much?

And yet, the same shit still happens to women, no matter the time or era, despite constantly telling women to "be more responsible." Maybe we should stop telling women to do, and focus on telling men not to do awful shit?

Sure, that's great. But I'm pretty sure some guys won't get the message and some amount of violent crimes will still happen. Or maybe we're even just "natural born killers" like chimps?

Regardless, I am still responsible for keeping myself safe. I don't drive without a seatbelt and I don't walk alone in sketchy areas at night.

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Anonymous wrote:Most men- the VAST majority of men -are good and protective towards women.

Doesn't really matter, when the VAST majority of violent criminals are men. You can pretty much bet that if some kind of foul play was involved in the disappearance of this girl, that the perpetrator was male. Highly, highly likely. Not 100.00%, but very probable.

As a woman who has traveled alone, walked alone at night, jogs on trails alone, I know this. If I see or hear someone else, my internal-guard will naturally rise. If they are coming closer and I notice they are female, my guard will lower, and I'll feel more at ease. If they are male, I stay much more guarded - their age, race, height, etc doesn't matter. I know other women feel the same way, and you can see the relief on another woman's face when they realize the person jogging in the other direction is a fellow female. We know the statistics. And it's simply not fair to ask women to constantly change their habits, when they're the ones doing absolutely nothing wrong.

I've been doing trails for a long time. I've actually had the experience of being flashed and chased on a trail by some weird dude. And I've been stalked (and I mean stalked and circled by a pack of guys).

Yes. This shit happens. The absolute worst thing you can do (prevention wise) is scare nice guys into staying at home/not getting involved.

WTF? Are you saying that women are scaring "nice guys" into staying home? Good lord, is there anything that isn't a woman's failing or fault?

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most men- the VAST majority of men -are good and protective towards women.

Doesn't really matter, when the VAST majority of violent criminals are men. You can pretty much bet that if some kind of foul play was involved in the disappearance of this girl, that the perpetrator was male. Highly, highly likely. Not 100.00%, but very probable.

As a woman who has traveled alone, walked alone at night, jogs on trails alone, I know this. If I see or hear someone else, my internal-guard will naturally rise. If they are coming closer and I notice they are female, my guard will lower, and I'll feel more at ease. If they are male, I stay much more guarded - their age, race, height, etc doesn't matter. I know other women feel the same way, and you can see the relief on another woman's face when they realize the person jogging in the other direction is a fellow female. We know the statistics. And it's simply not fair to ask women to constantly change their habits, when they're the ones doing absolutely nothing wrong.

My dad drilled it into my head that I never jog after dark. I never run on trails---stay near busy roads when jogging alone. I don't walk home late at night, etc.

My brother would jog in HS at 10pm at night. He's 6'3". Yes- double standard but it made sense. He is less likely a target.

I am always worried when I see young girls running in the dark in the late hours. I see GU and AU students on trails alone. I can only think they were taught zero street smarts.

Don't run with headphones. Be aware. Fwiw- I am an 8-time marathon runner.

We have very, very different interpretations of "street smarts." For me, being "street smart" doesn't mean staying home afraid of the dark. "Street smart" means going about my life, not living in fear, but being aware of my surroundings. Maybe carrying pepper spray if I'm out for a run on a trail, or in my pocket if I'm walking home at night. It means traveling alone, but not sticking out like a sore thumb, and being in public areas. It means remaining alert, etc. It's interesting to me how you automatically judge a woman as NOT being street smart if they're out at night or jogging on a trail.

You should do those things anytime of day. If you want to be vigilante trail jogger at night that's great. But I won't think you're being smart. My DH doesn't even run on the trails at night - they're not even lit up around here.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most men- the VAST majority of men -are good and protective towards women.

Doesn't really matter, when the VAST majority of violent criminals are men. You can pretty much bet that if some kind of foul play was involved in the disappearance of this girl, that the perpetrator was male. Highly, highly likely. Not 100.00%, but very probable.

As a woman who has traveled alone, walked alone at night, jogs on trails alone, I know this. If I see or hear someone else, my internal-guard will naturally rise. If they are coming closer and I notice they are female, my guard will lower, and I'll feel more at ease. If they are male, I stay much more guarded - their age, race, height, etc doesn't matter. I know other women feel the same way, and you can see the relief on another woman's face when they realize the person jogging in the other direction is a fellow female. We know the statistics. And it's simply not fair to ask women to constantly change their habits, when they're the ones doing absolutely nothing wrong.

My dad drilled it into my head that I never jog after dark. I never run on trails---stay near busy roads when jogging alone. I don't walk home late at night, etc.

My brother would jog in HS at 10pm at night. He's 6'3". Yes- double standard but it made sense. He is less likely a target.

I am always worried when I see young girls running in the dark in the late hours. I see GU and AU students on trails alone. I can only think they were taught zero street smarts.

Don't run with headphones. Be aware. Fwiw- I am an 8-time marathon runner.

We have very, very different interpretations of "street smarts." For me, being "street smart" doesn't mean staying home afraid of the dark. "Street smart" means going about my life, not living in fear, but being aware of my surroundings. Maybe carrying pepper spray if I'm out for a run on a trail, or in my pocket if I'm walking home at night. It means traveling alone, but not sticking out like a sore thumb, and being in public areas. It means remaining alert, etc. It's interesting to me how you automatically judge a woman as NOT being street smart if they're out at night or jogging on a trail.

You're confusing terminology here. It's not judging someone to say a certain situation causes someone to worry. Since you feel comfortable going about your life as you do, then go for it!

[Anonymous]

Also, I've had creepy experiences on the trail during the day. So there are sections I won't go down on foot alone during the day. Because I am aware of the risk and want to keep myself safe. I just find somewhere else to run.

And it's not like I'm locked up at night - I just stick to the safe areas.

[Anonymous]

Isn't this topic about hannah graham?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't this topic about hannah graham?

Who was walking alone at night in a sketchy area. Incapacitated. Not good.