UVA student missing

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Anonymous wrote:There's not much difference between the "ladies, don't go out drinking at night or walk home alone or dress like that" and the crazy attitudes towards women in the Middle East. I come from a Muslim family, and abhor these attitudes. They're the same vein of blaming women/victim blaming, but telling women they should be making better choices - even though those women are harming absolutely no one.

The responsibility is on men. Full stop. In my opinion, the more we keep the conversation to "girls, be more responsible," the less men learn to be responsible for their own awful actions. It's a form of coddling - it's a shift from the perpetrator not bearing every fraction of a percentage of the total and complete responsibility.

I agree that men need to take responsibility for their actions and that women should be able to be safe and secure. But I can't change what a stranger is going to do. I CAN teach my daughter to be careful. I think every driver on the road should obey the rules, shouldn't speed and shouldn't text and drive. But I know that's an unrealistic expectation, and so I wear a seat belt and drive defensively. My dad used to tell me, it's not that I don't trust YOU; it's that I don't trust other people.

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She was drunk and lost and he probably offered to help her. Sober, she would have been suspicious. Sure, drinking to that extent is bad but I think unless you never did that in college, you should not judge.

And I suspect her friends were drunk as well and therefor impaired in their ability to look out for her. I can't imagine what the girl who got the text is feeling. I'm sure all her friends feel terrible.

I refuse to blame women for the violence of men. We have ALL been vulnerable at some point. We've all been drunk or high or caught somewhere after dark without a ride or didn't pay attention to our surroundings (yes, I'm talking to you running through Rock Creek Park or the Capital Crescent Trail with earbuds so you can't hear anything going on around you.) That doesn't call for us to be killed.

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Anonymous wrote:Most men- the VAST majority of men -are good and protective towards women.

Doesn't really matter, when the VAST majority of violent criminals are men. You can pretty much bet that if some kind of foul play was involved in the disappearance of this girl, that the perpetrator was male. Highly, highly likely. Not 100.00%, but very probable.

As a woman who has traveled alone, walked alone at night, jogs on trails alone, I know this. If I see or hear someone else, my internal-guard will naturally rise. If they are coming closer and I notice they are female, my guard will lower, and I'll feel more at ease. If they are male, I stay much more guarded - their age, race, height, etc doesn't matter. I know other women feel the same way, and you can see the relief on another woman's face when they realize the person jogging in the other direction is a fellow female. We know the statistics. And it's simply not fair to ask women to constantly change their habits, when they're the ones doing absolutely nothing wrong.

My dad drilled it into my head that I never jog after dark. I never run on trails---stay near busy roads when jogging alone. I don't walk home late at night, etc.

My brother would jog in HS at 10pm at night. He's 6'3". Yes- double standard but it made sense. He is less likely a target.

I am always worried when I see young girls running in the dark in the late hours. I see GU and AU students on trails alone. I can only think they were taught zero street smarts.

Don't run with headphones. Be aware. Fwiw- I am an 8-time marathon runner.

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I was that stupidly-"smart" 20, 15 years ago. Thinking I was invincible. Guess timing and luck were in my favor. Having gone to and graduated from UVA, I never recall my peers letting me venture home alone...never! That said, I think she was fed something in her drink that night which impacted her sensibilities. Feeling so sad and despondent for her and her family.

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Anonymous wrote:"Longo asks people come forward if they saw 6'2" black male with dreadlocks, wearing all white, between 1 a.m. & 2 a.m. Sat. w/ Hannah" nbc29 tweet

If she texted she was lost, could it be because he took her somewhere and didn't know where they were going/were?

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Anonymous wrote:"Longo asks people come forward if they saw 6'2" black male with dreadlocks, wearing all white, between 1 a.m. & 2 a.m. Sat. w/ Hannah" nbc29 tweet

If she texted she was lost, could it be because he took her somewhere and didn't know where they were going/were?

Now the police are saying that they were seen together in a bar and then left in his car.

I guess he got her even drunker than she already was, then put her in his car and drove somewhere where he raped and killed her.
Sad. Very sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was that stupidly-"smart" 20, 15 years ago. Thinking I was invincible. Guess timing and luck were in my favor. Having gone to and graduated from UVA, I never recall my peers letting me venture home alone...never! That said, I think she was fed something in her drink that night which impacted her sensibilities. Feeling so sad and despondent for her and her family.

I was stubborn as hell. And I did what I wished. My friends, God love love them, often waited for me to return home but I was the type to lay out in dark field talking about the stars, planets, life, making out and whatnot...with a guy I had just met. We may have gone tubing in the morning, to McDonalds....nothing serious.

I would have felt so betrayed if my girls had reported me "missing" to my parents.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they find her soon.. Wonder why she didn't call the police , if she was lost. What kind of friends let their drunk friend head out alone ?!

Please don't judge her friends. There were many times during my own college days when I was feeling carefree and having fun and I didn't want to leave a party when my friends were tired and ready to go home. I stayed at the party, they left and sometimes I walked home alone. Nothing bad ever happened to me and honestly it never dawned on me that anything bad would ever happen to me (I was 5'5". 120 pounds at most). She probably didn't call police because she was...underage and a bit intoxicated? I mean duh.

But this is wrong thinking, and women need more guidance and encouragement to not do what you did. You were really fortunate.

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I would have missed out on so MUCH if I had thought like this. You are only young ONCE. Yes, I took chances. In hindsight I took lots of chances. It was SOOO worth it to me. There is nothing like being young and perfectly free. I will never regret it freaking living as a young adult.

Well...good for you?

Yes, good for me. That does not mean that my heart does not break for Hannnah. I'm worried for her and I hope that she'll be found safe. At the same time, young women should be able to walk around independent after dark w/o being labeled as ...unwise.

Huh? This has been unwise since the dawn of time. Out of touch with reality much?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they find her soon.. Wonder why she didn't call the police , if she was lost. What kind of friends let their drunk friend head out alone ?!

Please don't judge her friends. There were many times during my own college days when I was feeling carefree and having fun and I didn't want to leave a party when my friends were tired and ready to go home. I stayed at the party, they left and sometimes I walked home alone. Nothing bad ever happened to me and honestly it never dawned on me that anything bad would ever happen to me (I was 5'5". 120 pounds at most). She probably didn't call police because she was...underage and a bit intoxicated? I mean duh.

But this is wrong thinking, and women need more guidance and encouragement to not do what you did. You were really fortunate.

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I would have missed out on so MUCH if I had thought like this. You are only young ONCE. Yes, I took chances. In hindsight I took lots of chances. It was SOOO worth it to me. There is nothing like being young and perfectly free. I will never regret it freaking living as a young adult.

Well...good for you?

Yes, good for me. That does not mean that my heart does not break for Hannnah. I'm worried for her and I hope that she'll be found safe. At the same time, young women should be able to walk around independent after dark w/o being labeled as ...unwise.

Huh? This has been unwise since the dawn of time. Out of touch with reality much?

You don't feel as though you can walk outside after dark all by yourself? If so, that is really sad.

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The guy with dreds was the guy in the video who made the u-turn and followed her? The other guy lurking in the doorway was sketchy as well-'what if they were working together?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they find her soon.. Wonder why she didn't call the police , if she was lost. What kind of friends let their drunk friend head out alone ?!

Please don't judge her friends. There were many times during my own college days when I was feeling carefree and having fun and I didn't want to leave a party when my friends were tired and ready to go home. I stayed at the party, they left and sometimes I walked home alone. Nothing bad ever happened to me and honestly it never dawned on me that anything bad would ever happen to me (I was 5'5". 120 pounds at most). She probably didn't call police because she was...underage and a bit intoxicated? I mean duh.

But this is wrong thinking, and women need more guidance and encouragement to not do what you did. You were really fortunate.

+1

I would have missed out on so MUCH if I had thought like this. You are only young ONCE. Yes, I took chances. In hindsight I took lots of chances. It was SOOO worth it to me. There is nothing like being young and perfectly free. I will never regret it freaking living as a young adult.

Well...good for you?

Yes, good for me. That does not mean that my heart does not break for Hannnah. I'm worried for her and I hope that she'll be found safe. At the same time, young women should be able to walk around independent after dark w/o being labeled as ...unwise.

Huh? This has been unwise since the dawn of time. Out of touch with reality much?

You don't feel as though you can walk outside after dark all by yourself? If so, that is really sad.

Only in known "safe" places.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still confused about who is the suspect and who is the witness.

Reading is your friend. Google it, please.

Why so bitchy? Suspect is dreads guy? So we just take at his word the guy we saw following her in the video? Post stills of the facts if you're so sure of yourself.

Scroll back through this thread...we are just getting tired of rehashing it....look up the surveillance videos on Youtube on your PC. Two videos: Teul's and Sal's: Sal's video, you'll see a man with dreadlocks and baggy white shorts walk in front of the camera. Next, you will see the man go off camera and then reappear on the other side of the pedestrian street changing direction, shortly after Hannah walks buy and in her same direction. In the Teuls video, you will catch a glimpse of Hannah walking lock-step with this same guy. The police are now admitting it.

Yes it's soooo obvious to anyone watching the video, why were cops so slow to suspect that guy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The guy with dreds was the guy in the video who made the u-turn and followed her? The other guy lurking in the doorway was sketchy as well-'what if they were working together?

Totally possible, wonder if the cops are looking into that

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still confused about who is the suspect and who is the witness.

Reading is your friend. Google it, please.

Why so bitchy? Suspect is dreads guy? So we just take at his word the guy we saw following her in the video? Post stills of the facts if you're so sure of yourself.

Scroll back through this thread...we are just getting tired of rehashing it....look up the surveillance videos on Youtube on your PC. Two videos: Teul's and Sal's: Sal's video, you'll see a man with dreadlocks and baggy white shorts walk in front of the camera. Next, you will see the man go off camera and then reappear on the other side of the pedestrian street changing direction, shortly after Hannah walks buy and in her same direction. In the Teuls video, you will catch a glimpse of Hannah walking lock-step with this same guy. The police are now admitting it.

Yes it's soooo obvious to anyone watching the video, why were cops so slow to suspect that guy.

Cops don't "show all their cards" because it may hinder their investigation..they may have suspected him long before today but wanted to gain more concrete evidence before labeling him as a person of interest.

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Anonymous wrote:The guy with dreds was the guy in the video who made the u-turn and followed her? The other guy lurking in the doorway was sketchy as well-'what if they were working together?

Totally possible, wonder if the cops are looking into that

3 males were at the apartment when cops showed up to seize the vehicle early today (and later search the apartment). They IDed all 3 of them before letting them go on their way (they didn't have probable cause to detain them)..I, too, am wondering if this may have involved more than 1 suspect.