Van Hollen in El Salvador

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Anonymous wrote:People here said the wife beating was false, surprise it’s not. When it’s proven he is a gang member, then what?

Why don't you understand - it's not about whether he's a criminal or a good guy. The concern is the lack of due process. I feel like people don't understand what that means.

Without due process, there is literally nothing to stop this from happening to you. Piss the wrong person off, have the same name as a bad guy, get drunk and get the wrong tattoo, get lost and find yourself walking into the middle of a pro-Palestinian protest, whatever. ICE shows up and takes you into custody, and drags you straight to a plane headed for El Salvador.

Wait, you say, I'm an American citizen! I can prove it - here's my passport/birth certificate. Please, someone just look at them, and this will all be cleared up.

That's due process. Due process is what gives you the chance to be heard before being shipped to a gulag in El Salvador. If you have no right to due process, then the iCE agent arresting you has no obligation to look at your passport or check your birth certificate. They can just decide they don't believe you, or don't care, and off you go.

I have no idea is Abrego Garcia was a criminal. Frankly, neither do you. And the reason we don't know that is because he was denied due process. The Constitution guarantees due process for everyone. It doesn't say "due process, but only for the innocent." The whole "is he a gang member/wife beater/terrorist" question is absolutely irrelevant. He should not have been deported without due process. Full stop. If due process were given and he was found to be subject to deportation, I would not care at all

It is honestly baffling to me that anyone thinks this is ok. How you don't see the danger for YOU and people you love with this precedent.

This 1,000 times. Why aren’t people understanding this?

More due process was given to this scumbag than was given to any of the victims of illegal alien criminals.

Watch this starting at the 6:30 mark. He walks through every damn due process this guy had. Watch to the end.
Because as an MS 13 terrorist, he is not bound by deportation restrictions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People here said the wife beating was false, surprise it’s not. When it’s proven he is a gang member, then what?

Why don't you understand - it's not about whether he's a criminal or a good guy. The concern is the lack of due process. I feel like people don't understand what that means.

Without due process, there is literally nothing to stop this from happening to you. Piss the wrong person off, have the same name as a bad guy, get drunk and get the wrong tattoo, get lost and find yourself walking into the middle of a pro-Palestinian protest, whatever. ICE shows up and takes you into custody, and drags you straight to a plane headed for El Salvador.

Wait, you say, I'm an American citizen! I can prove it - here's my passport/birth certificate. Please, someone just look at them, and this will all be cleared up.

That's due process. Due process is what gives you the chance to be heard before being shipped to a gulag in El Salvador. If you have no right to due process, then the iCE agent arresting you has no obligation to look at your passport or check your birth certificate. They can just decide they don't believe you, or don't care, and off you go.

I have no idea is Abrego Garcia was a criminal. Frankly, neither do you. And the reason we don't know that is because he was denied due process. The Constitution guarantees due process for everyone. It doesn't say "due process, but only for the innocent." The whole "is he a gang member/wife beater/terrorist" question is absolutely irrelevant. He should not have been deported without due process. Full stop. If due process were given and he was found to be subject to deportation, I would not care at all

It is honestly baffling to me that anyone thinks this is ok. How you don't see the danger for YOU and people you love with this precedent.

This 1,000 times. Why aren’t people understanding this?

More due process was given to this scumbag than was given to any of the victims of illegal alien criminals.

Watch this starting at the 6:30 mark. He walks through every damn due process this guy had. Watch to the end.
Because as an MS 13 terrorist, he is not bound by deportation restrictions.

well that was a waste of 9 minutes. Watch it again. The last 30 seconds. Where it says "they were arguing over clerical issues. Paperwork."

That's the due process that he's been denied.

You can strawman this all you want. I don't care if Abrego Garcia is garbage. What matters more is our government, which is us, is acting like garbage.

You and your kind are just like the white men who used to pull black men out of their house and lynch them dead. You were so sure of your moral superiority over that "filth," you felt justified in your vigilante justice. That's what is happening here. It's the entire reason we must defend due process at all costs.

Our criminal justice system, our entire culture, was predicated on the belief it's better to let 10 guilty men go free than to imprison one innocent one. The process matters. Don't dismiss it as paperwork just because you dehumanize others so easily. One day it will be someone you care about.

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Democrats are strongly supportive of illegal immigrants. Not a popular position with swing voters.

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Illegal immigrants are not owed any Constitutional rights. They are invaders, not citizens

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If illegals wanted “due process”, they would have applied for for a visa. Their entire objective was to avoid due process

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Democrats are strongly supportive of illegal immigrants. Not a popular position with swing voters.

Democrats are strongly supportive of constitutional rights, because failure to abide by the constitution makes us failures as Americans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats are strongly supportive of illegal immigrants. Not a popular position with swing voters.

Democrats are strongly supportive of constitutional rights, because failure to abide by the constitution makes us failures as Americans.

The Trump base doesn’t get it, but they don’t get a lot of things. It’s not our job to make up for their lack of education. There are many people out there that voted for Trump that can still be reached.

[Anonymous]

"I wonder of Van Hollen was aware of the two restraining orders against him for beating his wife before he went on this little excursion."

You just slandered Rep. Van Hollen with your poor sentence structure. MAGA are barely literate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigrants are not owed any Constitutional rights. They are invaders, not citizens

A. Everyone who applies for asylum arrives “illegally,” that’s how it works

B. He was granted asylum because he was targeted by gangs in El Salvador due to his mothers business, this is in his 2019 court documents, along with the robust evidence that he was not a member of any gang, let alone MS13

C. He was checking in with ICE yearly and paying taxes, etc

D. None of this really matters when the administration ADMITS IT WAS A MISTAKE. They’re not even claiming he was deported legally, they admit wasn’t legal and was a mistake, they’re just not fixing it.

E. If they wanted to revoke his asylum status, they could have gone through the legal process and done so and send him to another country that was not El Salvador. They chose the route that circumvented legal process.

F. He has never been convicted of a crime in El Salvador OR in the U.S., so sending him to PRISON in El Salvador makes no sense

G. If the federal government can just say “they’re a terrorist” and without proof or cause or process send him to prison another country and say “oh well” then THEY COULD DO THAT TO YOU TOO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigrants are not owed any Constitutional rights. They are invaders, not citizens

A. Everyone who applies for asylum arrives “illegally,” that’s how it works

B. He was granted asylum because he was targeted by gangs in El Salvador due to his mothers business, this is in his 2019 court documents, along with the robust evidence that he was not a member of any gang, let alone MS13

C. He was checking in with ICE yearly and paying taxes, etc

D. None of this really matters when the administration ADMITS IT WAS A MISTAKE. They’re not even claiming he was deported legally, they admit wasn’t legal and was a mistake, they’re just not fixing it.

E. If they wanted to revoke his asylum status, they could have gone through the legal process and done so and send him to another country that was not El Salvador. They chose the route that circumvented legal process.

F. He has never been convicted of a crime in El Salvador OR in the U.S., so sending him to PRISON in El Salvador makes no sense

G. If the federal government can just say “they’re a terrorist” and without proof or cause or process send him to prison another country and say “oh well” then THEY COULD DO THAT TO YOU TOO.

You realize they have been doing G for decades now right? Even droning them, not just prison…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigrants are not owed any Constitutional rights. They are invaders, not citizens

A. Everyone who applies for asylum arrives “illegally,” that’s how it works

B. He was granted asylum because he was targeted by gangs in El Salvador due to his mothers business, this is in his 2019 court documents, along with the robust evidence that he was not a member of any gang, let alone MS13

C. He was checking in with ICE yearly and paying taxes, etc

D. None of this really matters when the administration ADMITS IT WAS A MISTAKE. They’re not even claiming he was deported legally, they admit wasn’t legal and was a mistake, they’re just not fixing it.

E. If they wanted to revoke his asylum status, they could have gone through the legal process and done so and send him to another country that was not El Salvador. They chose the route that circumvented legal process.

F. He has never been convicted of a crime in El Salvador OR in the U.S., so sending him to PRISON in El Salvador makes no sense

G. If the federal government can just say “they’re a terrorist” and without proof or cause or process send him to prison another country and say “oh well” then THEY COULD DO THAT TO YOU TOO.

You realize they have been doing G for decades now right? Even droning them, not just prison…

Yes I’m aware the United States bombs and wrongfully imprisons people in other countries, I’m not an idiot as to how we maintain a malicious military presence worldwide. There’s a distinctly different cadence to just grabbing legal US residents and citizens and sending them to prison in other countries that way too many U.S. citizens are being blasé about thinking it couldn’t happen to them just as easily if they quietly let it happen to this man.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People here said the wife beating was false, surprise it’s not. When it’s proven he is a gang member, then what?

Unless he had a chance to defend himself in a court of law then nothing has been “proven” at all. You damn fools need to get a basic civics education before you sell out the USA and our constitution.

He had a hearing in 2019 with evidence showing he was a gang member. He lost because "he failed to present evidence to dispute that assertion" he had a Lawyer at the hearing and lost. The actual documents are here. https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

That was his "chance to defend himself in a court of law". He lost.

This is a lie.

If you have evidence that Mr. Abrego Garcia is now or has ever been a member of a gang, please, please post it here.

Otherwise, STFU.

He didn’t need a hearing to prove he is in a gang to be removed. He is removable because he is an illegal alien. He tried to plead asylum but that failed. He had due process in 2019 but judge declined to give him amnesty.

He later received a waiver preventing the US from deporting him. He was here legally. No removal order.

Wrong again. The order was that he couldn’t be taken to El Salvador because he was worried about gang reprisals. It did not grant him asylum in the US and he was still deportable.

Wait a minute. how are people squaring:

- “he was worried about gang reprisals, so he won withholding of removal,” with

- “he was never a gang member” ??

Both cannot true simultaneously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Illegal immigrants are not owed any Constitutional rights. They are invaders, not citizens

F. He has never been convicted of a crime in El Salvador OR in the U.S., so sending him to PRISON in El Salvador makes no sense
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That is not true. Stop lying.

He was convicted of a restraining order for domestic violence. His wife admitted he abused her for THREE YEARS. Get your facts straight!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tocqueville in America: "Rape is a death penalty offense."

Van Hollen in El Salvador: "Let the MS-13 gang members free."

Would Van Hollen fight as hard for US citizens replaced with cheap labor?

[Anonymous]

Yet again the Dems fell for the bait. This is not the winnable issue. Yes, I agree it’s unconstitutional and that is dangerous but it’s not playing well in the court of public opinion bc of the assault charges.

Focus on the mess Trump is making of the economy. That is clear and a winnable issue.

Focus on the closure of rural health and Head Start. So many stories from parents who rely on Head Start to highlight.

Focus on all the losses to science through the NIH and university research cuts and how this jeopardizes our status as an innovator.

Focus on grocery store prices. Pick someone from the Midwest and have them report on their grocery bill weekly.

Focus on the oligarchy AOC/Sanders message. Highlight the conflict of interest inherent in sending out all social security statements over X.

Focus on the poor woman kidnapped from Tufts by plain clothed ICE officers.

There is so much to chose from. The Dems have money to do their research. I just don’t understand how they can keep picking up winnable issues?!?