Conservative DCUM'ers: how far back do you want LGBTQ rights rolled back?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Isn’t government who gives marriage certificate ?
So, marriage is governments business.

But why does that need to be the case? Remove the legal meaning from marriage, and let it be a social and religious institution, not a legal one.

Marriage is a legal union that is written into numerous laws, tax codes, estate laws, policies etc A civil union is no where close to the same thing. I don’t think people understand how broad and complicated this is and how much it matters.

Religion should never define it as there is the fundamental separation of church and state in this country. You are free to get married in whatever church you want but you still get a marriage license from your local government. This license is valid in all 50 states. You don’t have to get remarried when you vacation in another state or move.

For those of you who are anti gay marriage, why on earth should you be afforded the privilege f marriage while denying it to a gay couple? What makes your relationship superior and theirs inferior?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:19 pages in and I'm still waiting for evidence showing conservatives are rolling back LGBTQ rights. Come on progressives! Are you just making up stories about the existential crisis of the Alphabet community? Where is the evidence the conservative Boogeyman is restricting their rights?

How about the laws passed by places like Tennessee and Florida that have been stopped by fed judges for infringing on people’s rights? Jesus. Why do I have to explain this to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Define "conservative."

I'm basically a Trump-hating small-government fiscally responsible libertarian. I don't think that governments should generally get involved in social issues, and I believe that education should be controlled at the local level, not at the state or federal levels. Consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want in private. The definition of "marriage" should rest with religious and social organizations and not government ones. Not sure what else OP wants to hear.

Isn’t government who gives marriage certificate ?
So, marriage is governments business.

Yes that is the problem. It is a legal status, a type of contract which confers legal benefits that extend throughout our society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:19 pages in and I'm still waiting for evidence showing conservatives are rolling back LGBTQ rights. Come on progressives! Are you just making up stories about the existential crisis of the Alphabet community? Where is the evidence the conservative Boogeyman is restricting their rights?

How about the laws passed by places like Tennessee and Florida that have been stopped by fed judges for infringing on people’s rights? Jesus. Why do I have to explain this to you?

I know! Missouri AG tried to ban adult transgender care!! Thank God the court stepped in. But they stepped in on abortion attacks, until they didn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I think everyone should calm down about what schools are teaching kids, to be honest. Or do you mean to imply that your value system is too fragile to withstand a few hours of public school powerpoint?

We're from a liberal west European country with affordable healthcare, generous parental leave and a strong social safety net... but there is no "woke" movement. Indeed, all political parties agree that woke is dangerously deviant, or detracts from true socialist policies (guess which party says what).

So when my kids, in MCPS IB high school and middle school, get the "woke" treatment every now and then in assemblies and required summer book readings and ad hoc lessons and such... they come home, roll their eyes and make all kinds of fun of their valuable educational time being spent on feel-good, virtue-signaling messaging. My middle schooler's specific criticism is that none of it is even actionable - there's no "here's what you can do to help the LGBTQ community", or "here's what to do when confronted with cyberbullies online". No! It's all super vague and "everyone be kind to each other!" or "you too can be differently gendered and still be popular and well-liked!".

My kids are happy to treat everyone equally. They never thought to do otherwise, frankly. But having it shoved down their throat in the most stupid way, without any practical measures wherein they can be useful/safe/proactive, and taking that time away from further math and writing skills... just solidifies for them that US public school is clunky, wastes time, and doesn't have the right educational priorities.

I didn't tell them that. I *think* it, and my kids perhaps caught my thought bubbles, or just came to the same conclusion all by their little own selves.

They're not alone, BTW. It seems a lot of kids at their Bethesda-area MCPS schools just go with the flow but let their minds wander when such topics come up. Actually, I allow my kids to skip school on certain half days when we know "wellness assemblies" are the only menu item, not because we disagree on the fundamentals of wellness, but just because we have better things to do than rehash them for the upteenth time in a school setting. We can do wellness at home, thank you very much.

I don’t know if you heard the testimony of the California mother, whose daughter was in the publics. She was a young teen, going through some pretty hard emotional stuff, when she latched onto the trans agenda. The school and state took the child away from the mother, citing abuse because her mother asked questions about transgenderism, and put her in a foster home. By the time the state reversed its decision, including forcing the mother to call her daughter by her new name, the child was much further emotionally damaged. She went home to her mother who tried to help her daughter’s emotional issues. One day, the teen knelt on the tracks in front of a moving train and that was that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:19 pages in and I'm still waiting for evidence showing conservatives are rolling back LGBTQ rights. Come on progressives! Are you just making up stories about the existential crisis of the Alphabet community? Where is the evidence the conservative Boogeyman is restricting their rights?

How about the laws passed by places like Tennessee and Florida that have been stopped by fed judges for infringing on people’s rights? Jesus. Why do I have to explain this to you?

I know! Missouri AG tried to ban adult transgender care!! Thank God the court stepped in. But they stepped in on abortion attacks, until they didn't.

LIES! The state banned trans gender healthcare for minors. Trans adults can still get trans gender healthcare but not through medicaid. Try reading beyond the inflammatory headlines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think everyone should calm down about what schools are teaching kids, to be honest. Or do you mean to imply that your value system is too fragile to withstand a few hours of public school powerpoint?

We're from a liberal west European country with affordable healthcare, generous parental leave and a strong social safety net... but there is no "woke" movement. Indeed, all political parties agree that woke is dangerously deviant, or detracts from true socialist policies (guess which party says what).

So when my kids, in MCPS IB high school and middle school, get the "woke" treatment every now and then in assemblies and required summer book readings and ad hoc lessons and such... they come home, roll their eyes and make all kinds of fun of their valuable educational time being spent on feel-good, virtue-signaling messaging. My middle schooler's specific criticism is that none of it is even actionable - there's no "here's what you can do to help the LGBTQ community", or "here's what to do when confronted with cyberbullies online". No! It's all super vague and "everyone be kind to each other!" or "you too can be differently gendered and still be popular and well-liked!".

My kids are happy to treat everyone equally. They never thought to do otherwise, frankly. But having it shoved down their throat in the most stupid way, without any practical measures wherein they can be useful/safe/proactive, and taking that time away from further math and writing skills... just solidifies for them that US public school is clunky, wastes time, and doesn't have the right educational priorities.

I didn't tell them that. I *think* it, and my kids perhaps caught my thought bubbles, or just came to the same conclusion all by their little own selves.

They're not alone, BTW. It seems a lot of kids at their Bethesda-area MCPS schools just go with the flow but let their minds wander when such topics come up. Actually, I allow my kids to skip school on certain half days when we know "wellness assemblies" are the only menu item, not because we disagree on the fundamentals of wellness, but just because we have better things to do than rehash them for the upteenth time in a school setting. We can do wellness at home, thank you very much.

I don’t know if you heard the testimony of the California mother, whose daughter was in the publics. She was a young teen, going through some pretty hard emotional stuff, when she latched onto the trans agenda. The school and state took the child away from the mother, citing abuse because her mother asked questions about transgenderism, and put her in a foster home. By the time the state reversed its decision, including forcing the mother to call her daughter by her new name, the child was much further emotionally damaged. She went home to her mother who tried to help her daughter’s emotional issues. One day, the teen knelt on the tracks in front of a moving train and that was that.

So don't move to California or put your kid "in the publics". Is that a common phrase? I'm not in the loop with private school people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I think everyone should calm down about what schools are teaching kids, to be honest. Or do you mean to imply that your value system is too fragile to withstand a few hours of public school powerpoint?

We're from a liberal west European country with affordable healthcare, generous parental leave and a strong social safety net... but there is no "woke" movement. Indeed, all political parties agree that woke is dangerously deviant, or detracts from true socialist policies (guess which party says what).

So when my kids, in MCPS IB high school and middle school, get the "woke" treatment every now and then in assemblies and required summer book readings and ad hoc lessons and such... they come home, roll their eyes and make all kinds of fun of their valuable educational time being spent on feel-good, virtue-signaling messaging. My middle schooler's specific criticism is that none of it is even actionable - there's no "here's what you can do to help the LGBTQ community", or "here's what to do when confronted with cyberbullies online". No! It's all super vague and "everyone be kind to each other!" or "you too can be differently gendered and still be popular and well-liked!".

My kids are happy to treat everyone equally. They never thought to do otherwise, frankly. But having it shoved down their throat in the most stupid way, without any practical measures wherein they can be useful/safe/proactive, and taking that time away from further math and writing skills... just solidifies for them that US public school is clunky, wastes time, and doesn't have the right educational priorities.

I didn't tell them that. I *think* it, and my kids perhaps caught my thought bubbles, or just came to the same conclusion all by their little own selves.

They're not alone, BTW. It seems a lot of kids at their Bethesda-area MCPS schools just go with the flow but let their minds wander when such topics come up. Actually, I allow my kids to skip school on certain half days when we know "wellness assemblies" are the only menu item, not because we disagree on the fundamentals of wellness, but just because we have better things to do than rehash them for the upteenth time in a school setting. We can do wellness at home, thank you very much.

Kids spend far more time with teacher every day, than they spend with parent. Per Horace Mann, purpose of public school to make new community values.

Some will adopt those values.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think everyone should calm down about what schools are teaching kids, to be honest. Or do you mean to imply that your value system is too fragile to withstand a few hours of public school powerpoint?

We're from a liberal west European country with affordable healthcare, generous parental leave and a strong social safety net... but there is no "woke" movement. Indeed, all political parties agree that woke is dangerously deviant, or detracts from true socialist policies (guess which party says what).

So when my kids, in MCPS IB high school and middle school, get the "woke" treatment every now and then in assemblies and required summer book readings and ad hoc lessons and such... they come home, roll their eyes and make all kinds of fun of their valuable educational time being spent on feel-good, virtue-signaling messaging. My middle schooler's specific criticism is that none of it is even actionable - there's no "here's what you can do to help the LGBTQ community", or "here's what to do when confronted with cyberbullies online". No! It's all super vague and "everyone be kind to each other!" or "you too can be differently gendered and still be popular and well-liked!".

My kids are happy to treat everyone equally. They never thought to do otherwise, frankly. But having it shoved down their throat in the most stupid way, without any practical measures wherein they can be useful/safe/proactive, and taking that time away from further math and writing skills... just solidifies for them that US public school is clunky, wastes time, and doesn't have the right educational priorities.

I didn't tell them that. I *think* it, and my kids perhaps caught my thought bubbles, or just came to the same conclusion all by their little own selves.

They're not alone, BTW. It seems a lot of kids at their Bethesda-area MCPS schools just go with the flow but let their minds wander when such topics come up. Actually, I allow my kids to skip school on certain half days when we know "wellness assemblies" are the only menu item, not because we disagree on the fundamentals of wellness, but just because we have better things to do than rehash them for the upteenth time in a school setting. We can do wellness at home, thank you very much.

I don’t know if you heard the testimony of the California mother, whose daughter was in the publics. She was a young teen, going through some pretty hard emotional stuff, when she latched onto the trans agenda. The school and state took the child away from the mother, citing abuse because her mother asked questions about transgenderism, and put her in a foster home. By the time the state reversed its decision, including forcing the mother to call her daughter by her new name, the child was much further emotionally damaged. She went home to her mother who tried to help her daughter’s emotional issues. One day, the teen knelt on the tracks in front of a moving train and that was that.

PP you replied to. So? Obviously this poor child was mentally ill, and should have received better care from all the adults around her. Spend some time on the Special Needs board, PP, and you'll understand that *humane* mental health care is severely lacking when kids and adults are dangers to others or to themselves. And that's true for every single country in the world, because our society is not built to care for such patients. This has nothing to do with LGBT rights - if it hadn't been this trigger, it would have been another.

It's pretty dumb of you to use this one example to make a point. Statistics make points. Anecdotes do not.
And early statistics tend to show that denying treatment and social acceptance to transgender people increases their risk of suicide. You could have just used that.

But my point is that performative virtue-signaling about racism, gender, etc in schools is not helpful and entirely useless.

[Anonymous]

Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

[Anonymous]

From pictures of the Starrs, it looks as though one of the moms is FTM trans, and the daughter has kind of short hair. That’s probably what got that guy upset. What a loser.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:19 pages in and I'm still waiting for evidence showing conservatives are rolling back LGBTQ rights. Come on progressives! Are you just making up stories about the existential crisis of the Alphabet community? Where is the evidence the conservative Boogeyman is restricting their rights?

How about the laws passed by places like Tennessee and Florida that have been stopped by fed judges for infringing on people’s rights? Jesus. Why do I have to explain this to you?

I know! Missouri AG tried to ban adult transgender care!! Thank God the court stepped in. But they stepped in on abortion attacks, until they didn't.

LIES! The state banned trans gender healthcare for minors. Trans adults can still get trans gender healthcare but not through medicaid. Try reading beyond the inflammatory headlines.

Untrue. The state AG put in an emergency order which he rescinded after the lawsuit. Also, why is it acceptable to ban it for Medicaid? Just ten years ago Republicans were screaming about how government was going to ban treatments under Obamacare. Now they are actually doing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From pictures of the Starrs, it looks as though one of the moms is FTM trans, and the daughter has kind of short hair. That’s probably what got that guy upset. What a loser.

Only one of the moms was at the event. They are divorced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's what they want to do: bully school aged children like the lunatic who recently harassed a 9 year old at a track event. A 9 year old!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/16/9-year-old-track-transgender/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main

Heidi Starr’s 9-year-old daughter last week was moments away from making the shot-put throws that would determine whether she advanced to the next level of competition. Then, a 67-year-old man took to the field and stood at the top of the throwing circle, stopping the elementary school track-and-field event in British Columbia, Starr said.

The man accused the 9-year-old of being a boy or transgender and demanded Starr, 47, provide a birth certificate proving her daughter was a girl, she told The Washington Post, adding that the man’s wife called her and her ex-wife — the girl’s other mother — “genital mutilators.”

...Tesar interrupted the event by taking the field and blocking shot-putters from throwing, Starr said.

Tesar addressed the volunteer overseeing the event but loudly enough so Starr could hear from 15 to 20 feet away. He asked if the event was girls-only, Starr said. When she replied that it was for fourth-grade girls, Tesar allegedly asked why boys were throwing, pointing at Starr’s daughter and another girl.

That’s when Starr intervened, saying something like, “Excuse me, you’re pointing at my daughter, who is a girl.”

No, the man said, according to Starr, adding: “She’s a boy.” He allegedly added that the other girl was too, causing her to run away. Starr insisted that her 9-year-old was a cisgender girl, leading the man to hold his hands up to make air quotes while saying, “all right, a ‘girl,’” according to Starr. Tesar allegedly said that, if their daughter wasn’t a boy, she was “obviously trans.”

“This event is for real girls,” he said, according to Starr.

Josef Tesar persisted, demanding proof that their daughter was a girl, specifically a birth certificate, Starr said.

“It rocked our entire family,” she added, the most profound effect afflicting her daughter. “She was shaking and crying and beside herself that whole day, in and out of tears the whole night until bedtime.”"

Bullies. That's what the transphobes are.

There is fundamental disagreement over what boy is, what girl is. Used to be common language.

Wait until you find out the earth is round and people descended from apes. Mind blown.