Conservative DCUM'ers: how far back do you want LGBTQ rights rolled back?

[Anonymous]

So should we stop rating movies?

Movie ratings are voluntary and have no legal status. The system is run by the MPAA, not the government.

[Anonymous]

I am a moderate independent. I'd like to see gay marriage downgraded to domestic partnership and shift from normalizing to tolerance. People in our society will have all kinds of households, and there are legal rights members of non-traditional families need to have. I generally feel their private lives aren't my business or concern, but all that changes when there's active outreach to children, too many of whom have decided to participate in these lifestyles in recent years.

By outreach to children I do mean things like the Trevor project and any other person or organization that intends to reach minors without their parents' explicitly consent. I don't think the "grooming" thing is the right way to characterize this outreach. It is more like the schools that took Native children from their families and brought them up according to the progressive culture of the times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When our nation expanded gay rights-- and I was an early adopter to this notion-- it was because I thought it would be good for families. Gay people could have marriages, kids, and normal lives. In the past couple years, this has changed into an overtly "sexual revolution" message that places an emphasis on personal sexual fulfillment rather than emphasizing the importance of family unity. I think this is harmful to society, and while we should certainly tolerate people who choose to live promiscuous, self-indulgent lifestyles (straight or gay), this shouldn't be celebrated and promoted in the form of state sponsored parades with public nudity or otherwise salacious dress, books in public schools for children, and the White House declaring this lifestyle the "bravest and most courageous." We don't celebrate families in this way, and raising a family is both difficult and essential for society. I think using taxpayer money to promote sexual promiscuity is a step too far and too "Brave New World" ("promiscuity is a citizen's duty"-- literal quote from the book). One way to destroy a culture is to weaken personal relationships, and I am highly suspicious of the intent behind the assault on families (again, gay or straight) and the extreme emphasis on individual sexual gratification as the ultimate good. Biden's recent comments about how all kids are everyone's kids is, again, straight out of Brave New World ("everyone belongs to everyone"). Just like when you prioritize everything, nothing is a priority-- when you make everyone belong to everyone, then no one belongs to anyone. As they say, when people show you who they are- believe them. We all saw them disrobe in front of the white house, in a crowd of likeminded revolutionaries, and shake their bare chests on a video.
In front of Biden, the secret service, etc. I believe them; they intend to destroy our culture and our values by debasing what we used to find important (the American dream) and replace it with a new priority of sexuality as the supreme value. In other words, to me, this isn't about being gay or being straight. It's about an insidious attempt to destroy our society from the inside out in order to gain control. So, what limits do I want on gay people? None. What limits do I want on l the government promoting gender confusion, while also baking in parental alienation as an actual policy? Limits on the use of elected positions to promote sexual promiscuity? I want total cessation of this.

Well said. I have been thinking about that book a lot lately.

I 100% support equal rights for all people. But like others above said, I think most people are tired of hearing people yap about it all the time. I think sadly for the LGBT community, the extremists in their community are hurting them.

+100 to all of the above posters. I'd love to get to a place where we just stop making a big deal out of someone's sexuality. You're gay? Great, you didn't need to announce that. I judge people based on what kind of person they are, not by what their sexual orientation is. You're not a better or worse person because of your sexuality. You're just a person, like everyone else. Can we please move on?

[Anonymous]

Here's an interesting difference I've noticed (one of many) between the Wapo/NYT and the WSJ. In the former two, there are often big spreads about "LGBT PEOPLE!!" with a deep dive into their lives and/or issues as GAY PEOPLE.

In the WSJ, LGBT people are simply part of many articles, *without* mentioning their sexuality or announcing to the reader "THIS PERSON IS GAY!!!" For instance, there might be a piece about real estate. They'll interview a few couples, and simply refer to them by their names - Joe and Larla Smith, David and Larlo Jones-Williams, Donald and Daisy Duck, etc. Or they'll say, "Larlo and his husband, David..." or "Carol and her wife, Larla..." In other words, there is no grand announcement about their sexual status. They're just treated like everyone else. It is SO refreshing. They don't pander to anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am in complete support of equal rights and protections for gays and lesbians. What I don't understand is how the celebration/affirmation of same-sex orientation like pride parades came to be associated with overt and vulgar sexual displays. Gays and lesbians are just like other people; their sexuality is a range from highly sexed to asexual. They don't necessarily have more sex than others. What's the deal with nudity, bondage etc.? What does this have to do with equality and respect?

+100
My gay friends and family members are appalled by what goes on at many of those parades. What is the point, exactly?

[Anonymous]

The vulgarity isn't new. If anything, it was downplayed during the "because of who you love" campaigns that emphasized partnership over sex acts. Then there were murmers about how we couldn't let this mainstream success require gay people to remain chaste in public and the time was coming for us all to have to be confronted with actual sexuality from gay people. Then gen z came of age and decided everything was public anyway, plus the normalizing of drag queens as family fun. And here we are. Rainbows come with a heap of public vulgarity that we're supposed to teach our children to celebrate and invite them to join.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Define "conservative."

I'm basically a Trump-hating small-government fiscally responsible libertarian. I don't think that governments should generally get involved in social issues, and I believe that education should be controlled at the local level, not at the state or federal levels. Consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want in private. The definition of "marriage" should rest with religious and social organizations and not government ones. Not sure what else OP wants to hear.

Isn’t government who gives marriage certificate ?
So, marriage is governments business.

[Anonymous]

I think everyone should calm down about what schools are teaching kids, to be honest. Or do you mean to imply that your value system is too fragile to withstand a few hours of public school powerpoint?

We're from a liberal west European country with affordable healthcare, generous parental leave and a strong social safety net... but there is no "woke" movement. Indeed, all political parties agree that woke is dangerously deviant, or detracts from true socialist policies (guess which party says what).

So when my kids, in MCPS IB high school and middle school, get the "woke" treatment every now and then in assemblies and required summer book readings and ad hoc lessons and such... they come home, roll their eyes and make all kinds of fun of their valuable educational time being spent on feel-good, virtue-signaling messaging. My middle schooler's specific criticism is that none of it is even actionable - there's no "here's what you can do to help the LGBTQ community", or "here's what to do when confronted with cyberbullies online". No! It's all super vague and "everyone be kind to each other!" or "you too can be differently gendered and still be popular and well-liked!".

My kids are happy to treat everyone equally. They never thought to do otherwise, frankly. But having it shoved down their throat in the most stupid way, without any practical measures wherein they can be useful/safe/proactive, and taking that time away from further math and writing skills... just solidifies for them that US public school is clunky, wastes time, and doesn't have the right educational priorities.

I didn't tell them that. I *think* it, and my kids perhaps caught my thought bubbles, or just came to the same conclusion all by their little own selves.

They're not alone, BTW. It seems a lot of kids at their Bethesda-area MCPS schools just go with the flow but let their minds wander when such topics come up. Actually, I allow my kids to skip school on certain half days when we know "wellness assemblies" are the only menu item, not because we disagree on the fundamentals of wellness, but just because we have better things to do than rehash them for the upteenth time in a school setting. We can do wellness at home, thank you very much.

[Anonymous]

There is way way more vulgarity from heterosexuals than homosexuals! Have you ever been to Virginia Beach or Florida during spring break? How about Hooters anywhere in the mid west. Most cable shows have tons of heterosexual nudity and sex scenes. The lesbian porn stuff on the Internet is geared toward heterosexual men not gay women! The performers are trafficked women and actresses.

I think what conservatives really want is for LGTBQ people to go back to being hidden. They don’t want their existence normalized and god forbid celebrated. From their perspective, what’s the problem? If you just don’t confront me with your lifestyle then I’m happy.

What they fail to realize is that this means going back to a life of shame, fear, being ostracized, not belonging, constructing elaborate false stories of an alternate life and misery just because someone else is a bigot. Yes, it is bigotry in all its ugliness and moral failing.

Thankfully Gen Z is not accepting the bigotry. You can wail and pass whatever unconstitutional laws your religious right can cheat through and you can try to hide your children away in bubbles of bigots but you won’t win. You will die off and Gen Z will write about what is used to be like when the bigots took their last gasp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is way way more vulgarity from heterosexuals than homosexuals! Have you ever been to Virginia Beach or Florida during spring break? How about Hooters anywhere in the mid west. Most cable shows have tons of heterosexual nudity and sex scenes. The lesbian porn stuff on the Internet is geared toward heterosexual men not gay women! The performers are trafficked women and actresses.

I think what conservatives really want is for LGTBQ people to go back to being hidden. They don’t want their existence normalized and god forbid celebrated. From their perspective, what’s the problem? If you just don’t confront me with your lifestyle then I’m happy.

What they fail to realize is that this means going back to a life of shame, fear, being ostracized, not belonging, constructing elaborate false stories of an alternate life and misery just because someone else is a bigot. Yes, it is bigotry in all its ugliness and moral failing.

Thankfully Gen Z is not accepting the bigotry. You can wail and pass whatever unconstitutional laws your religious right can cheat through and you can try to hide your children away in bubbles of bigots but you won’t win. You will die off and Gen Z will write about what is used to be like when the bigots took their last gasp.

Is this the same gen z that in Massachusetts wore red white and blue instead of a rainbow and said their pronouns are USA?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is way way more vulgarity from heterosexuals than homosexuals! Have you ever been to Virginia Beach or Florida during spring break? How about Hooters anywhere in the mid west. Most cable shows have tons of heterosexual nudity and sex scenes. The lesbian porn stuff on the Internet is geared toward heterosexual men not gay women! The performers are trafficked women and actresses.

I think what conservatives really want is for LGTBQ people to go back to being hidden. They don’t want their existence normalized and god forbid celebrated. From their perspective, what’s the problem? If you just don’t confront me with your lifestyle then I’m happy.

What they fail to realize is that this means going back to a life of shame, fear, being ostracized, not belonging, constructing elaborate false stories of an alternate life and misery just because someone else is a bigot. Yes, it is bigotry in all its ugliness and moral failing.

Thankfully Gen Z is not accepting the bigotry. You can wail and pass whatever unconstitutional laws your religious right can cheat through and you can try to hide your children away in bubbles of bigots but you won’t win. You will die off and Gen Z will write about what is used to be like when the bigots took their last gasp.

I was nodding along with your first paragraph but you lost me. If you can see the emptiness of celebrating sexual perversion among straight people, why will expanding sexual perversion to more and more demographics be the way out of shame?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is way way more vulgarity from heterosexuals than homosexuals! Have you ever been to Virginia Beach or Florida during spring break? How about Hooters anywhere in the mid west. Most cable shows have tons of heterosexual nudity and sex scenes. The lesbian porn stuff on the Internet is geared toward heterosexual men not gay women! The performers are trafficked women and actresses.

I think what conservatives really want is for LGTBQ people to go back to being hidden. They don’t want their existence normalized and god forbid celebrated. From their perspective, what’s the problem? If you just don’t confront me with your lifestyle then I’m happy.

What they fail to realize is that this means going back to a life of shame, fear, being ostracized, not belonging, constructing elaborate false stories of an alternate life and misery just because someone else is a bigot. Yes, it is bigotry in all its ugliness and moral failing.

Thankfully Gen Z is not accepting the bigotry. You can wail and pass whatever unconstitutional laws your religious right can cheat through and you can try to hide your children away in bubbles of bigots but you won’t win. You will die off and Gen Z will write about what is used to be like when the bigots took their last gasp.

You are ad-libbing. You failed to mention transphobes, TERFS, Nazis, MAGA, and fascists. Please stay on script.

[Anonymous]

19 pages in and I'm still waiting for evidence showing conservatives are rolling back LGBTQ rights. Come on progressives! Are you just making up stories about the existential crisis of the Alphabet community? Where is the evidence the conservative Boogeyman is restricting their rights?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:19 pages in and I'm still waiting for evidence showing conservatives are rolling back LGBTQ rights. Come on progressives! Are you just making up stories about the existential crisis of the Alphabet community? Where is the evidence the conservative Boogeyman is restricting their rights?

+2

[Anonymous]

Isn’t government who gives marriage certificate ?
So, marriage is governments business.

But why does that need to be the case? Remove the legal meaning from marriage, and let it be a social and religious institution, not a legal one.