Ralph Yarl: Sweet, young teen shot trying to pick up siblings

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

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Sure, let’s play that out: No one answers the door.
Kid calls his mom and says ‘mom no one answering door.’
She says ‘that’s weird are you at the house with the concrete steps?’
He says ‘no…wait what’s that address again?’ He gets back in his car and finds the right house.

This is normal life. This is every other country. This is what everyone should expect to happen. Instead we are all now living in fear of guns around every corner. We need a ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ moment from our leadership to get this gun crisis under control. We are living in absurdity.

+1. Agreed.

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Anonymous wrote:Time magazine is now reporting that Yarl *entered* the wrong house??

Maybe somebody can correct me but did the house have camera footage? If so, I hope they have video.

No. I read that he had security cameras but they weren't working.

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Anonymous wrote:Kansas City just isn't a very safe place to be black. This interracial US government employee family, black millitary husband, white wife and two little biracial kids experienced harassment and general hatred when they moved in.
https://www.rollinwiththerolands.com/mom-life/2020/8/25/3hndl5v6clfop313vz4wb3olebv1b8

I grew up in Kansas City, Missouri. I have never seen any of the events that woman in the blog describes. Kansas City, Missouri has had two black mayors. The current black mayor is part of an interracial couple since his wife is white. And they have a biracial child together.

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Anonymous wrote:I also thought it’s pure racism (along the Aubrey case) until I found that it’s an 85 year old guy. It’s racism but also gun availability. Why, why does an 85 year old, living in an urban area (he’s not living alone in a cabin in the woods to justify owning a gun), need a gun? How come he can keep a gun? He will die in prison, but that does not help the child who was shot, and doesn’t prevent other incidents where people who should have no access to guns do have them. There will always be someone who’s racist, or who is suicidal, or who holds a grudge against the world for perceived real or imagined injustices. Gun ownership should not be this easy! There should be real checks. If I need to renew my driver’s license every 5-8 years, why should a gun owner not have to do the same?

I attended high school not far from Staley high school, which is considered in the Northland or "north" of the Missouri River. You have to drive across the Missouri River by bridge to get to the Northland. The older part of Kansas City, MO is "south" of the Missouri River. That's where the downtown, City Market, the Country Club Plaza, West Port, and the Paseo are located. "South" of the Missouri River has some of the wealthiest areas of Kansas City, like on Ward Parkway, and it also has some of the poorest areas. Most of the crime committed in the Kansas City metro area is concentrated South of the Missouri River and to the East.

Teenagers in the Northland have always enjoyed freedom to roam as they please without much consequence, as they should. My high school has traditions such as tp'ing football players houses for Homecoming. That's kids taking toilet paper in the middle of the night, and throwing it around the outside of the house. I can't imagine having older people like this man with guns, shooting at any noise they hear.

I'm not really sure is about race, though. It's really hard to know if this man with a gun wouldn't have shot at any teenager regardless of race or gender.

In yesterday's press conference, the DA stated that there was a racial element to the case. They know more than we do at this point. But in the similar case in upstate NY that happened around the same time, the shooter and the victim were white so, yes, it's not always about race. The guns are the one constant. Also, most of the shooters are men.

White men.

White. Men.

Let's not make it race thing. All types of races of men kill.

Oh, shut up! It is a “race thing.”

White men are why I look around the parking lot before going into the grocery store. White men are why I worry about my mom being in her local church. White men are why I worry about the hot head that’s speeding down the highway in his pickup truck. White men are why I worry about being in any crowded outdoor event. White men are why I worry about my Black friends and family.

Don’t talk to me about how this isn’t a “race thing.” I’m a Black woman. This shit is always a “race thing.”

And you have all of those white people looking out for black men. So what’s different between you and them?

Historically: power, the law, money vs chattel slavery/jim crow, no protection from courts or the law and in fact, a police force created specifically to catch/kill you, no money.... but yeah completely THE SAME

Don’t you understand that white people also have a list of grievances used to justify their own bigotry? The only way out of this mess is if we treat people as the individuals they are rather than members of a skin color group. Why would I have to type that sentence in 2023?

Oh please please list those out. In America mind you. Since that's where this is happening. You wouldn't have to treat people as individuals- separate from their skin color- if there wasn't systemic underlying tropes about black people. This is just a different version of "i don't see skin color".

All racists will go on and on about their “reasons” why they are just being rational. Do you really not know this? The point is that judging people based on skin color alone is ignorant. It’s counterproductive and not true understanding. It’s a cheap and misguided way of thought. I said nothing about “systemic tropes” whatever that's supposed to mean (trope?).

Why wouldn’t we want to be treated as individuals rather than stereotypes? That’s a universal human desire and one which the entire civil rights movement is based on! Skin color is not an accurate measure of a persons character or beliefs. Character and beliefs matter more than superficial group characteristics.

I think you are just tossing around cliches (not even used correctly) to justify your own bigotry. Progress will only be made when we stop believing and using the concept of race to define and limit individuals. That doesn’t mean ignoring our history of oppression against minorities but it means we need to move past the ignorance that lead to that racism in the first place. The central ignorant idea among racists is that race is a measure of a persons character or worth ad a human being. That idea can never be extinguished unless we stop using race to define groups of individuals.

I understand what you are saying but I disagree with you. You are saying see the individual not the color of the person. Im saying the color of the person does not equal X,Y,Z. You are erasing color from the equation whereas I am saying that color does not signify any characteristics other than skin color. It is human nature to categorize. People see color. The problem is that color= characteristics in America. You need to change the characteristics associated with the color because the color doesn't go away. You cant see the individual without first, removing the negative associations about color in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:Kansas City just isn't a very safe place to be black. This interracial US government employee family, black millitary husband, white wife and two little biracial kids experienced harassment and general hatred when they moved in.
https://www.rollinwiththerolands.com/mom-life/2020/8/25/3hndl5v6clfop313vz4wb3olebv1b8

What part of KC does this family live in? I didn't read the whole thing, but she said suburbs, so that could mean a lot of things. There are pockets of the city that have very high crime rates. But Kansas City isn't any more unsafe for black people than any other city.

If it matters, they have a black mayor and have in the past.

I'm addressing only your assertion that KC is unsafe for black people.

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Anonymous wrote:Kansas City just isn't a very safe place to be black. This interracial US government employee family, black millitary husband, white wife and two little biracial kids experienced harassment and general hatred when they moved in.
https://www.rollinwiththerolands.com/mom-life/2020/8/25/3hndl5v6clfop313vz4wb3olebv1b8

What part of KC does this family live in? I didn't read the whole thing, but she said suburbs, so that could mean a lot of things. There are pockets of the city that have very high crime rates. But Kansas City isn't any more unsafe for black people than any other city.

If it matters, they have a black mayor and have in the past.

I'm addressing only your assertion that KC is unsafe for black people.

You’re not the first person to bring that up. I’m curious, do people think that once a black person is elected, racism and danger are over in that area? A) that’s not how it works. B) sometimes that makes racists angrier and they ramp up their nastiness while onlookers are shocked and disbelieving because they have black mayors so racism is fixed, it must be some other problem or the person reporting it is faking.

Maybe when people holding elected offices at all levels throughout the country reflect the demographics, this would be a good point to raise. But they have a black mayor isn’t really proof of anything other than that one time they voted for one black person. Ask the black mayor if he canvassed houses during his campaign alone or if he took a white person with him so he’d appear less scary. Also ask if he stepped back away from the door, like off the porch or nearly so, after knocking or ringing the bell, and why he did that? It’s kind of like how parents of black kids have to have a different talk about what to do if you’re pulled over by a police officer while driving, there’s also a different safety protocol for knocking on doors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kansas City just isn't a very safe place to be black. This interracial US government employee family, black millitary husband, white wife and two little biracial kids experienced harassment and general hatred when they moved in.
https://www.rollinwiththerolands.com/mom-life/2020/8/25/3hndl5v6clfop313vz4wb3olebv1b8

What part of KC does this family live in? I didn't read the whole thing, but she said suburbs, so that could mean a lot of things. There are pockets of the city that have very high crime rates. But Kansas City isn't any more unsafe for black people than any other city.

If it matters, they have a black mayor and have in the past.

I'm addressing only your assertion that KC is unsafe for black people.

You’re not the first person to bring that up. I’m curious, do people think that once a black person is elected, racism and danger are over in that area? A) that’s not how it works. B) sometimes that makes racists angrier and they ramp up their nastiness while onlookers are shocked and disbelieving because they have black mayors so racism is fixed, it must be some other problem or the person reporting it is faking.

Maybe when people holding elected offices at all levels throughout the country reflect the demographics, this would be a good point to raise. But they have a black mayor isn’t really proof of anything other than that one time they voted for one black person. Ask the black mayor if he canvassed houses during his campaign alone or if he took a white person with him so he’d appear less scary. Also ask if he stepped back away from the door, like off the porch or nearly so, after knocking or ringing the bell, and why he did that? It’s kind of like how parents of black kids have to have a different talk about what to do if you’re pulled over by a police officer while driving, there’s also a different safety protocol for knocking on doors.

Our current Mayor Q actually grew up in Kansas City. He attended a private school. Emmanuel Cleaver was a minister. A lot of people outside of the south don't respond well to ministers as politicians. He wasn't originally from Kansas City, and he represented a different culture more than a different race. Currently in his 10th term in Congress, Cleaver previously served three terms on the Kansas City Council from 1979 to 1991, until he was elected mayor, serving two terms from 1991 to 1999.

How do people jump from a white 85 year old man shot a black teen boy through his front door, to Kansas City, Missouri is a racist city? And then what, the people in Washington, D.C. will want to send the Feds to make everything better? LoL.

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Anonymous wrote:Kansas City just isn't a very safe place to be black. This interracial US government employee family, black millitary husband, white wife and two little biracial kids experienced harassment and general hatred when they moved in.
https://www.rollinwiththerolands.com/mom-life/2020/8/25/3hndl5v6clfop313vz4wb3olebv1b8

What part of KC does this family live in? I didn't read the whole thing, but she said suburbs, so that could mean a lot of things. There are pockets of the city that have very high crime rates. But Kansas City isn't any more unsafe for black people than any other city.

If it matters, they have a black mayor and have in the past.

I'm addressing only your assertion that KC is unsafe for black people.

You’re not the first person to bring that up. I’m curious, do people think that once a black person is elected, racism and danger are over in that area? A) that’s not how it works. B) sometimes that makes racists angrier and they ramp up their nastiness while onlookers are shocked and disbelieving because they have black mayors so racism is fixed, it must be some other problem or the person reporting it is faking.

Maybe when people holding elected offices at all levels throughout the country reflect the demographics, this would be a good point to raise. But they have a black mayor isn’t really proof of anything other than that one time they voted for one black person. Ask the black mayor if he canvassed houses during his campaign alone or if he took a white person with him so he’d appear less scary. Also ask if he stepped back away from the door, like off the porch or nearly so, after knocking or ringing the bell, and why he did that? It’s kind of like how parents of black kids have to have a different talk about what to do if you’re pulled over by a police officer while driving, there’s also a different safety protocol for knocking on doors.

I'm from the KC area. Again, what I was addressing was the idea that "KC is unsafe for black people." I asked where the interracial couple lives (the one pp posted about) because all I saw on the blog is "the suburbs," which could very well mean NOT KC. The KC area is very large. For example, Ralph Yarl wasn't shot in Kansas City. He was shot in North Kansas City, which is a different city. I don't actually know if nkc is racist or unsafe and I don't know if the interracial couple's city is unsafe.

But to address your post, I agree that having a black mayor doesn't mean people aren't racist. Mayor Lucas would probably agree. I think it means KC is somewhat progressive.

I didn't even address my thoughts on Ralph Yarl. I think the shooter is probably a racist, guns are a problem and it was a despicable thing to have happened.

I'm interested in the demographics and general vibe/culture of the KC area which is why I want to know where the aforementioned couple lives.

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Anonymous wrote:Kansas City just isn't a very safe place to be black. This interracial US government employee family, black millitary husband, white wife and two little biracial kids experienced harassment and general hatred when they moved in.
https://www.rollinwiththerolands.com/mom-life/2020/8/25/3hndl5v6clfop313vz4wb3olebv1b8

What part of KC does this family live in? I didn't read the whole thing, but she said suburbs, so that could mean a lot of things. There are pockets of the city that have very high crime rates. But Kansas City isn't any more unsafe for black people than any other city.

If it matters, they have a black mayor and have in the past.

I'm addressing only your assertion that KC is unsafe for black people.

You’re not the first person to bring that up. I’m curious, do people think that once a black person is elected, racism and danger are over in that area? A) that’s not how it works. B) sometimes that makes racists angrier and they ramp up their nastiness while onlookers are shocked and disbelieving because they have black mayors so racism is fixed, it must be some other problem or the person reporting it is faking.

Maybe when people holding elected offices at all levels throughout the country reflect the demographics, this would be a good point to raise. But they have a black mayor isn’t really proof of anything other than that one time they voted for one black person. Ask the black mayor if he canvassed houses during his campaign alone or if he took a white person with him so he’d appear less scary. Also ask if he stepped back away from the door, like off the porch or nearly so, after knocking or ringing the bell, and why he did that? It’s kind of like how parents of black kids have to have a different talk about what to do if you’re pulled over by a police officer while driving, there’s also a different safety protocol for knocking on doors.

I'm from the KC area. Again, what I was addressing was the idea that "KC is unsafe for black people." I asked where the interracial couple lives (the one pp posted about) because all I saw on the blog is "the suburbs," which could very well mean NOT KC. The KC area is very large. For example, Ralph Yarl wasn't shot in Kansas City. He was shot in North Kansas City, which is a different city. I don't actually know if nkc is racist or unsafe and I don't know if the interracial couple's city is unsafe.

But to address your post, I agree that having a black mayor doesn't mean people aren't racist. Mayor Lucas would probably agree. I think it means KC is somewhat progressive.

I didn't even address my thoughts on Ralph Yarl. I think the shooter is probably a racist, guns are a problem and it was a despicable thing to have happened.

I'm interested in the demographics and general vibe/culture of the KC area which is why I want to know where the aforementioned couple lives.

Kansas City, Missouri boundaries extend into the Northland, where the shooting took place. Most of Kansas City lies within Jackson County, with some areas in Clay, Cass, and Platte counties. Clay, Cass, and Platte counties are all north of the Missouri River. You'll find neighborhoods of Kansas City fire fighters and police officers who live within the Kansas City, Missouri boundaries, but they live in suburbs.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

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Sure, let’s play that out: No one answers the door.
Kid calls his mom and says ‘mom no one answering door.’
She says ‘that’s weird are you at the house with the concrete steps?’
He says ‘no…wait what’s that address again?’ He gets back in his car and finds the right house.

This is normal life. This is every other country. This is what everyone should expect to happen. Instead we are all now living in fear of guns around every corner. We need a ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ moment from our leadership to get this gun crisis under control. We are living in absurdity.

+1. Agreed.

I am not saying the shooter had only one option. But he claims that the victim was trying to open his door. The victim had left his cell phone at home. I don’t have a gun and would never fire a shot in this situation. I would, however, be terrified if someone was trying to open my door late at night. We recently had a home invasion/murder in our neighborhood and it puts you on edge.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

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Sure, let’s play that out: No one answers the door.
Kid calls his mom and says ‘mom no one answering door.’
She says ‘that’s weird are you at the house with the concrete steps?’
He says ‘no…wait what’s that address again?’ He gets back in his car and finds the right house.

This is normal life. This is every other country. This is what everyone should expect to happen. Instead we are all now living in fear of guns around every corner. We need a ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ moment from our leadership to get this gun crisis under control. We are living in absurdity.

+1. Agreed.

I am not saying the shooter had only one option. But he claims that the victim was trying to open his door. The victim had left his cell phone at home. I don’t have a gun and would never fire a shot in this situation. I would, however, be terrified if someone was trying to open my door late at night. We recently had a home invasion/murder in our neighborhood and it puts you on edge.

From the NYT:

"Mr. Lester told a police officer after the shooting that he saw a Black male “pulling on the exterior storm door handle.” This was one of the few areas of disagreement: When interviewed by a detective, Ralph said that he only rang the doorbell and did not pull on the door. Within moments, Mr. Lester began shooting through the glass of the exterior storm door, afraid that a break-in was in progress, he told the police."

Trying to open an exterior storm door--if that happened--is different than trying to open the main door. I have an exterior storm door and people often open it to knock directly on my main door.

Also, the criminal complaint (linked to earlier in this thread) says that two DNA samples were taken from the exterior door. They seem to exclude both the homeowner and the person who's DNA was found on the porch (presumably Ralph).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

+2
Sure, let’s play that out: No one answers the door.
Kid calls his mom and says ‘mom no one answering door.’
She says ‘that’s weird are you at the house with the concrete steps?’
He says ‘no…wait what’s that address again?’ He gets back in his car and finds the right house.

This is normal life. This is every other country. This is what everyone should expect to happen. Instead we are all now living in fear of guns around every corner. We need a ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ moment from our leadership to get this gun crisis under control. We are living in absurdity.

+1. Agreed.

I am not saying the shooter had only one option. But he claims that the victim was trying to open his door. The victim had left his cell phone at home. I don’t have a gun and would never fire a shot in this situation. I would, however, be terrified if someone was trying to open my door late at night. We recently had a home invasion/murder in our neighborhood and it puts you on edge.

From the NYT:

"Mr. Lester told a police officer after the shooting that he saw a Black male “pulling on the exterior storm door handle.” This was one of the few areas of disagreement: When interviewed by a detective, Ralph said that he only rang the doorbell and did not pull on the door. Within moments, Mr. Lester began shooting through the glass of the exterior storm door, afraid that a break-in was in progress, he told the police."

Trying to open an exterior storm door--if that happened--is different than trying to open the main door. I have an exterior storm door and people often open it to knock directly on my main door.

Also, the criminal complaint (linked to earlier in this thread) says that two DNA samples were taken from the exterior door. They seem to exclude both the homeowner and the person who's DNA was found on the porch (presumably Ralph).

+1 If you push the button to ring the bell and can’t hear if it actually rang, the next step would be to open the screen door to reach the door knocker or knock on the door.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

+2
Sure, let’s play that out: No one answers the door.
Kid calls his mom and says ‘mom no one answering door.’
She says ‘that’s weird are you at the house with the concrete steps?’
He says ‘no…wait what’s that address again?’ He gets back in his car and finds the right house.

This is normal life. This is every other country. This is what everyone should expect to happen. Instead we are all now living in fear of guns around every corner. We need a ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ moment from our leadership to get this gun crisis under control. We are living in absurdity.

+1. Agreed.

I am not saying the shooter had only one option. But he claims that the victim was trying to open his door. The victim had left his cell phone at home. I don’t have a gun and would never fire a shot in this situation. I would, however, be terrified if someone was trying to open my door late at night. We recently had a home invasion/murder in our neighborhood and it puts you on edge.

What is your point in relation to the story? Yes we understand that people don't want to answer the door to strangers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

+2
Sure, let’s play that out: No one answers the door.
Kid calls his mom and says ‘mom no one answering door.’
She says ‘that’s weird are you at the house with the concrete steps?’
He says ‘no…wait what’s that address again?’ He gets back in his car and finds the right house.

This is normal life. This is every other country. This is what everyone should expect to happen. Instead we are all now living in fear of guns around every corner. We need a ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ moment from our leadership to get this gun crisis under control. We are living in absurdity.

+1. Agreed.

I am not saying the shooter had only one option. But he claims that the victim was trying to open his door. The victim had left his cell phone at home. I don’t have a gun and would never fire a shot in this situation. I would, however, be terrified if someone was trying to open my door late at night. We recently had a home invasion/murder in our neighborhood and it puts you on edge.

What is your point in relation to the story? Yes we understand that people don't want to answer the door to strangers.

Some idiot seems to be trying to justify a guy with the gun putting two bullets in the head of a teenager trying to pick up his younger siblings from a play date. Doesn’t seem to meet the standards for deadly force.

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Anonymous wrote:This was because of racism.

I guess it's too much to wait for evidence of this supposed racism. Tried and convicted already.