Ralph Yarl: Sweet, young teen shot trying to pick up siblings

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This was because of racism.

I guess it's too much to wait for evidence of this supposed racism. Tried and convicted already.

LOL. A few of us speculated earlier in the thread that the shooter probably sat around all day watching RW news, whose business model seems to be based on fear, anger, and grievance.

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

+2
Sure, let’s play that out: No one answers the door.
Kid calls his mom and says ‘mom no one answering door.’
She says ‘that’s weird are you at the house with the concrete steps?’
He says ‘no…wait what’s that address again?’ He gets back in his car and finds the right house.

This is normal life. This is every other country. This is what everyone should expect to happen. Instead we are all now living in fear of guns around every corner. We need a ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ moment from our leadership to get this gun crisis under control. We are living in absurdity.

+1. Agreed.

I am not saying the shooter had only one option. But he claims that the victim was trying to open his door. The victim had left his cell phone at home. I don’t have a gun and would never fire a shot in this situation. I would, however, be terrified if someone was trying to open my door late at night. We recently had a home invasion/murder in our neighborhood and it puts you on edge.

What is your point in relation to the story? Yes we understand that people don't want to answer the door to strangers.

Some idiot seems to be trying to justify a guy with the gun putting two bullets in the head of a teenager trying to pick up his younger siblings from a play date. Doesn’t seem to meet the standards for deadly force.

More idiots trying to justify this:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was because of racism.

I guess it's too much to wait for evidence of this supposed racism. Tried and convicted already.

LOL. A few of us speculated earlier in the thread that the shooter probably sat around all day watching RW news, whose business model seems to be based on fear, anger, and grievance.

Yes I was one of them. Sometimes things really are just as they seem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

+2
Sure, let’s play that out: No one answers the door.
Kid calls his mom and says ‘mom no one answering door.’
She says ‘that’s weird are you at the house with the concrete steps?’
He says ‘no…wait what’s that address again?’ He gets back in his car and finds the right house.

This is normal life. This is every other country. This is what everyone should expect to happen. Instead we are all now living in fear of guns around every corner. We need a ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ moment from our leadership to get this gun crisis under control. We are living in absurdity.

+1. Agreed.

I am not saying the shooter had only one option. But he claims that the victim was trying to open his door. The victim had left his cell phone at home. I don’t have a gun and would never fire a shot in this situation. I would, however, be terrified if someone was trying to open my door late at night. We recently had a home invasion/murder in our neighborhood and it puts you on edge.

From the NYT:

"Mr. Lester told a police officer after the shooting that he saw a Black male “pulling on the exterior storm door handle.” This was one of the few areas of disagreement: When interviewed by a detective, Ralph said that he only rang the doorbell and did not pull on the door. Within moments, Mr. Lester began shooting through the glass of the exterior storm door, afraid that a break-in was in progress, he told the police."

Trying to open an exterior storm door--if that happened--is different than trying to open the main door. I have an exterior storm door and people often open it to knock directly on my main door.

Also, the criminal complaint (linked to earlier in this thread) says that two DNA samples were taken from the exterior door. They seem to exclude both the homeowner and the person who's DNA was found on the porch (presumably Ralph).

+1 If you push the button to ring the bell and can’t hear if it actually rang, the next step would be to open the screen door to reach the door knocker or knock on the door.

+1

Whichever PP keeps talking about ‘being terrified someone opens your storm door’ pay attention when you ring someone’s doorbell that has a storm door. If you can’t hear it or they don’t come to the door, I bet you will instinctively try to storm door to knock on the actual door. But you probably won’t be shot since you aren’t a black teenage boy. That’s the only difference in this equation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was because of racism.

I guess it's too much to wait for evidence of this supposed racism. Tried and convicted already.

LOL. A few of us speculated earlier in the thread that the shooter probably sat around all day watching RW news, whose business model seems to be based on fear, anger, and grievance.

I thought this was likely as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

+2
Sure, let’s play that out: No one answers the door.
Kid calls his mom and says ‘mom no one answering door.’
She says ‘that’s weird are you at the house with the concrete steps?’
He says ‘no…wait what’s that address again?’ He gets back in his car and finds the right house.

This is normal life. This is every other country. This is what everyone should expect to happen. Instead we are all now living in fear of guns around every corner. We need a ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ moment from our leadership to get this gun crisis under control. We are living in absurdity.

+1. Agreed.

I am not saying the shooter had only one option. But he claims that the victim was trying to open his door. The victim had left his cell phone at home. I don’t have a gun and would never fire a shot in this situation. I would, however, be terrified if someone was trying to open my door late at night. We recently had a home invasion/murder in our neighborhood and it puts you on edge.

From the NYT:

"Mr. Lester told a police officer after the shooting that he saw a Black male “pulling on the exterior storm door handle.” This was one of the few areas of disagreement: When interviewed by a detective, Ralph said that he only rang the doorbell and did not pull on the door. Within moments, Mr. Lester began shooting through the glass of the exterior storm door, afraid that a break-in was in progress, he told the police."

Trying to open an exterior storm door--if that happened--is different than trying to open the main door. I have an exterior storm door and people often open it to knock directly on my main door.

Also, the criminal complaint (linked to earlier in this thread) says that two DNA samples were taken from the exterior door. They seem to exclude both the homeowner and the person who's DNA was found on the porch (presumably Ralph).

+1 If you push the button to ring the bell and can’t hear if it actually rang, the next step would be to open the screen door to reach the door knocker or knock on the door.

+1

Whichever PP keeps talking about ‘being terrified someone opens your storm door’ pay attention when you ring someone’s doorbell that has a storm door. If you can’t hear it or they don’t come to the door, I bet you will instinctively try to storm door to knock on the actual door. But you probably won’t be shot since you aren’t a black teenage boy. That’s the only difference in this equation.

I really think the fact that it was 10pm at night is a huge factor that no one is mentioning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

+2
Sure, let’s play that out: No one answers the door.
Kid calls his mom and says ‘mom no one answering door.’
She says ‘that’s weird are you at the house with the concrete steps?’
He says ‘no…wait what’s that address again?’ He gets back in his car and finds the right house.

This is normal life. This is every other country. This is what everyone should expect to happen. Instead we are all now living in fear of guns around every corner. We need a ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ moment from our leadership to get this gun crisis under control. We are living in absurdity.

+1. Agreed.

I am not saying the shooter had only one option. But he claims that the victim was trying to open his door. The victim had left his cell phone at home. I don’t have a gun and would never fire a shot in this situation. I would, however, be terrified if someone was trying to open my door late at night. We recently had a home invasion/murder in our neighborhood and it puts you on edge.

From the NYT:

"Mr. Lester told a police officer after the shooting that he saw a Black male “pulling on the exterior storm door handle.” This was one of the few areas of disagreement: When interviewed by a detective, Ralph said that he only rang the doorbell and did not pull on the door. Within moments, Mr. Lester began shooting through the glass of the exterior storm door, afraid that a break-in was in progress, he told the police."

Trying to open an exterior storm door--if that happened--is different than trying to open the main door. I have an exterior storm door and people often open it to knock directly on my main door.

Also, the criminal complaint (linked to earlier in this thread) says that two DNA samples were taken from the exterior door. They seem to exclude both the homeowner and the person who's DNA was found on the porch (presumably Ralph).

+1 If you push the button to ring the bell and can’t hear if it actually rang, the next step would be to open the screen door to reach the door knocker or knock on the door.

+1

Whichever PP keeps talking about ‘being terrified someone opens your storm door’ pay attention when you ring someone’s doorbell that has a storm door. If you can’t hear it or they don’t come to the door, I bet you will instinctively try to storm door to knock on the actual door. But you probably won’t be shot since you aren’t a black teenage boy. That’s the only difference in this equation.

I really think the fact that it was 10pm at night is a huge factor that no one is mentioning.

+1 plus, the guy is so old -- dementia, etc on top of any racist views. We would not open our door if anyone knocked or rang the doorbell at night. We would call 911.

[Anonymous]

Will you comment on black neighbor shooting at 6 year old white girl for having her ball roll into his yard?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/20/us/neighbor-child-shooting-basketball-singletary/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will you comment on black neighbor shooting at 6 year old white girl for having her ball roll into his yard?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/20/us/neighbor-child-shooting-basketball-singletary/index.html

This one meets the definition of mass shooting. One adult hospitalized, two other adults and a 6 year old shot with minor injuries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

+2
Sure, let’s play that out: No one answers the door.
Kid calls his mom and says ‘mom no one answering door.’
She says ‘that’s weird are you at the house with the concrete steps?’
He says ‘no…wait what’s that address again?’ He gets back in his car and finds the right house.

This is normal life. This is every other country. This is what everyone should expect to happen. Instead we are all now living in fear of guns around every corner. We need a ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ moment from our leadership to get this gun crisis under control. We are living in absurdity.

+1. Agreed.

I am not saying the shooter had only one option. But he claims that the victim was trying to open his door. The victim had left his cell phone at home. I don’t have a gun and would never fire a shot in this situation. I would, however, be terrified if someone was trying to open my door late at night. We recently had a home invasion/murder in our neighborhood and it puts you on edge.

From the NYT:

"Mr. Lester told a police officer after the shooting that he saw a Black male “pulling on the exterior storm door handle.” This was one of the few areas of disagreement: When interviewed by a detective, Ralph said that he only rang the doorbell and did not pull on the door. Within moments, Mr. Lester began shooting through the glass of the exterior storm door, afraid that a break-in was in progress, he told the police."

Trying to open an exterior storm door--if that happened--is different than trying to open the main door. I have an exterior storm door and people often open it to knock directly on my main door.

Also, the criminal complaint (linked to earlier in this thread) says that two DNA samples were taken from the exterior door. They seem to exclude both the homeowner and the person who's DNA was found on the porch (presumably Ralph).

+1 If you push the button to ring the bell and can’t hear if it actually rang, the next step would be to open the screen door to reach the door knocker or knock on the door.

+1

Whichever PP keeps talking about ‘being terrified someone opens your storm door’ pay attention when you ring someone’s doorbell that has a storm door. If you can’t hear it or they don’t come to the door, I bet you will instinctively try to storm door to knock on the actual door. But you probably won’t be shot since you aren’t a black teenage boy. That’s the only difference in this equation.

+1 If you're so terrified, call 911 and go to another room in the house and lock the door. Don't get trigger happy with teenagers. I hope grandpa rots in jail. Rotten human being.

[Anonymous]

This is really an indictment on our society that you are so afraid to open the door or offer help when someone has clearly been shot.

He could have yelled through the door that the guy had the wrong house.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

+2
Sure, let’s play that out: No one answers the door.
Kid calls his mom and says ‘mom no one answering door.’
She says ‘that’s weird are you at the house with the concrete steps?’
He says ‘no…wait what’s that address again?’ He gets back in his car and finds the right house.

This is normal life. This is every other country. This is what everyone should expect to happen. Instead we are all now living in fear of guns around every corner. We need a ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ moment from our leadership to get this gun crisis under control. We are living in absurdity.

+1. Agreed.

I am not saying the shooter had only one option. But he claims that the victim was trying to open his door. The victim had left his cell phone at home. I don’t have a gun and would never fire a shot in this situation. I would, however, be terrified if someone was trying to open my door late at night. We recently had a home invasion/murder in our neighborhood and it puts you on edge.

From the NYT:

"Mr. Lester told a police officer after the shooting that he saw a Black male “pulling on the exterior storm door handle.” This was one of the few areas of disagreement: When interviewed by a detective, Ralph said that he only rang the doorbell and did not pull on the door. Within moments, Mr. Lester began shooting through the glass of the exterior storm door, afraid that a break-in was in progress, he told the police."

Trying to open an exterior storm door--if that happened--is different than trying to open the main door. I have an exterior storm door and people often open it to knock directly on my main door.

Also, the criminal complaint (linked to earlier in this thread) says that two DNA samples were taken from the exterior door. They seem to exclude both the homeowner and the person who's DNA was found on the porch (presumably Ralph).

+1 If you push the button to ring the bell and can’t hear if it actually rang, the next step would be to open the screen door to reach the door knocker or knock on the door.

+1

Whichever PP keeps talking about ‘being terrified someone opens your storm door’ pay attention when you ring someone’s doorbell that has a storm door. If you can’t hear it or they don’t come to the door, I bet you will instinctively try to storm door to knock on the actual door. But you probably won’t be shot since you aren’t a black teenage boy. That’s the only difference in this equation.

I really think the fact that it was 10pm at night is a huge factor that no one is mentioning.

+1 plus, the guy is so old -- dementia, etc on top of any racist views. We would not open our door if anyone knocked or rang the doorbell at night. We would call 911.

Old demented people should not be driving or allowed to have firearms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lots of people lamenting the racism of the homeowner hete, but I guarantee that not a single one of the white or Asian people living in a wealthy DC suburb would have opened the door if they saw Ralph Yarl on the other side of it. Not one of you would have. You lament the racism but you are as racist as this homeowner was.

I'm betting that Yarl would have preferred an unopened door to being shot over. Your statement makes no sense.

+1. I'd advise my elderly parents to not open the door to a stranger. It wouldn't occur to me to advise them to shoot the person for ringing the doorbell.

This poster is being disingenuous to pretend the guy had only one option. And the sick thing is, so many people especially gun nuts, will actually take this argument and run with it.

+2
Sure, let’s play that out: No one answers the door.
Kid calls his mom and says ‘mom no one answering door.’
She says ‘that’s weird are you at the house with the concrete steps?’
He says ‘no…wait what’s that address again?’ He gets back in his car and finds the right house.

This is normal life. This is every other country. This is what everyone should expect to happen. Instead we are all now living in fear of guns around every corner. We need a ‘the only thing we have to fear is fear itself’ moment from our leadership to get this gun crisis under control. We are living in absurdity.

+1. Agreed.

I am not saying the shooter had only one option. But he claims that the victim was trying to open his door. The victim had left his cell phone at home. I don’t have a gun and would never fire a shot in this situation. I would, however, be terrified if someone was trying to open my door late at night. We recently had a home invasion/murder in our neighborhood and it puts you on edge.

From the NYT:

"Mr. Lester told a police officer after the shooting that he saw a Black male “pulling on the exterior storm door handle.” This was one of the few areas of disagreement: When interviewed by a detective, Ralph said that he only rang the doorbell and did not pull on the door. Within moments, Mr. Lester began shooting through the glass of the exterior storm door, afraid that a break-in was in progress, he told the police."

Trying to open an exterior storm door--if that happened--is different than trying to open the main door. I have an exterior storm door and people often open it to knock directly on my main door.

Also, the criminal complaint (linked to earlier in this thread) says that two DNA samples were taken from the exterior door. They seem to exclude both the homeowner and the person who's DNA was found on the porch (presumably Ralph).

+1 If you push the button to ring the bell and can’t hear if it actually rang, the next step would be to open the screen door to reach the door knocker or knock on the door.

+1

Whichever PP keeps talking about ‘being terrified someone opens your storm door’ pay attention when you ring someone’s doorbell that has a storm door. If you can’t hear it or they don’t come to the door, I bet you will instinctively try to storm door to knock on the actual door. But you probably won’t be shot since you aren’t a black teenage boy. That’s the only difference in this equation.

+1 If you're so terrified, call 911 and go to another room in the house and lock the door. Don't get trigger happy with teenagers. I hope grandpa rots in jail. Rotten human being.

He’s totally going to get off, between the law and his likely insanity defense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was because of racism.

I guess it's too much to wait for evidence of this supposed racism. Tried and convicted already.

LOL. A few of us speculated earlier in the thread that the shooter probably sat around all day watching RW news, whose business model seems to be based on fear, anger, and grievance.

I thought this was likely as well.

I hope the old guy Sue's Fox News

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will you comment on black neighbor shooting at 6 year old white girl for having her ball roll into his yard?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/20/us/neighbor-child-shooting-basketball-singletary/index.html

Yes? https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1127338.page