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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I also thought it’s pure racism (along the Aubrey case) until I found that it’s an 85 year old guy. It’s racism but also gun availability. Why, why does an 85 year old, living in an urban area (he’s not living alone in a cabin in the woods to justify owning a gun), need a gun? How come he can keep a gun? He will die in prison, but that does not help the child who was shot, and doesn’t prevent other incidents where people who should have no access to guns do have them. There will always be someone who’s racist, or who is suicidal, or who holds a grudge against the world for perceived real or imagined injustices. Gun ownership should not be this easy! There should be real checks. If I need to renew my driver’s license every 5-8 years, why should a gun owner not have to do the same? [/quote]

I attended high school not far from Staley high school, which is considered in the Northland or "north" of the Missouri River. You have to drive across the Missouri River by bridge to get to the Northland. The older part of Kansas City, MO is "south" of the Missouri River. That's where the downtown, City Market, the Country Club Plaza, West Port, and the Paseo are located. "South" of the Missouri River has some of the wealthiest areas of Kansas City, like on Ward Parkway, and it also has some of the poorest areas. Most of the crime committed in the Kansas City metro area is concentrated South of the Missouri River and to the East.

Teenagers in the Northland have always enjoyed freedom to roam as they please without much consequence, as they should. My high school has traditions such as tp'ing football players houses for Homecoming. That's kids taking toilet paper in the middle of the night, and throwing it around the outside of the house. I can't imagine having older people like this man with guns, shooting at any noise they hear.

I'm not really sure is about race, though. It's really hard to know if this man with a gun wouldn't have shot at any teenager regardless of race or gender.[/quote]

In yesterday's press conference, the DA stated that there was a racial element to the case. They know more than we do at this point. But in the similar case in upstate NY that happened around the same time, the shooter and the victim were white so, yes, it's not always about race. The guns are the one constant. [b]Also[/b], most of the shooters are men. [/quote]

White men.

White. Men.[/quote]

Let's not make it race thing.  All types of races of men kill.  [/quote]

Oh, shut up! It [i]is[/i] a “race thing.”

White men are why I look around the parking lot before going into the grocery store. White men are why I worry about my mom being in her local church. White men are why I worry about the hot head that’s speeding down the highway in his pickup truck. White men are why I worry about being in any crowded outdoor event. White men are why I worry about my Black friends and family.

Don’t talk to me about how this isn’t a “race thing.” I’m a Black woman. This shit is always a “race thing.”[/quote]

And you have all of those white people looking out for black men. So what’s different between you and them?[/quote]

Historically: power, the law, money vs chattel slavery/jim crow, no protection from courts or the law and in fact, a police force created specifically to catch/kill you, no money.... but yeah completely THE SAME  :roll: [/quote]

[b]Don’t you understand that white people also have a list of grievances used to justify their own bigotry?[/b] The only way out of this mess is if we treat people as the individuals they are rather than members of a skin color group. Why would I have to type that sentence in 2023?[/quote]

Oh please please list those out. In America mind you. Since that's where this is happening. You wouldn't have to treat people as individuals- separate from their skin color- if there wasn't systemic underlying tropes about black people.  This is just a different version of "i don't see skin color".

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All racists will go on and on about their “reasons” why they are just being rational. Do you really not know this? The point is that judging people based on skin color alone is ignorant. It’s counterproductive and not true understanding. It’s a cheap and misguided way of thought. I said nothing about “systemic tropes” whatever that's supposed to mean (trope?).

Why wouldn’t we want to be treated as individuals rather than stereotypes? That’s a universal human desire and one which the entire civil rights movement is based on! Skin color is not an accurate measure of a persons character or beliefs. Character and beliefs matter more than superficial group characteristics.

I think you are just tossing around cliches (not even used correctly) to justify your own bigotry. Progress will only be made when we stop believing and using the concept of race to define and limit individuals. That doesn’t mean ignoring our history of oppression against minorities but it means we need to move past the ignorance that lead to that racism in the first place. The central ignorant idea among racists is that race is a measure of a persons character or worth ad a human being. T[b]hat idea can never be extinguished unless we stop using race to define groups of individuals[/b].[/quote]

I understand what you are saying but I disagree with you. You are saying see the individual not the color of the person. Im saying the color of the person does not equal X,Y,Z. You are erasing color from the equation whereas I am saying that color does not signify any characteristics other than skin color. It is human nature to categorize. People see color. The problem is that color= characteristics in America. You need to change the characteristics associated with the color because the color doesn't go away. You cant see the individual without first, removing the negative associations about color in this country. [/quote]

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