SATC New Season - And Just Like That...

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Carrie seems so mean now - sort of wispy and shrewish. I used to love her so much!

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Anonymous wrote:The Aidan storyline is dumb.

And Carrie’s email was pathetic. It reminds me of someone trying to start an emotional affair with a high school sweetheart.

Hardcore Aidan fan here and nope, nothing ever dumb about Aidan❤️ Love that goofy guy!! So excited for this storyline!

What I wrote has nothing to do with the Aidan character. It has to do with her.

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Anonymous wrote:When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

Maybe when they are 70? Who is doing all that in their 50s? Not me and I doubt I am the exception.

probably not even in your 70s. My mom is in her 80s and still in good shape and not peeing herself. That poster is just a dumba$$

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I mean, if my teen announced it, I would be like, "oh, ok, thank you for letting me know." However, if they are mature enough to have sex, they are also mature enough to be the one to go out to get the condoms in the snowstorm (absent some situation like a physical disability or injury). That part seemed over the top.

I have a 18-year-old daughter and literally took her to the OB/GYN for the first time this week. I can see both sides of this. On one, Lily saying that Blake couldn’t go because the drugstore guy might tell his mom was the perfect opportunity for Charlotte to tell her that if she wanted to do it, she had to be the one to go. On the other, the stark realization that they were going to do it and they would probably do it without condoms if she didn’t intervene, is a pretty strong motivator.

It makes no sense. Charlotte should have told Lily that if Blake was worried, Lily could be the one to go buy them. It's ridiculous. I would no more run out in a snowstorm to buy my 16 year old condoms and deliver them to him than I would be the one ask one of his high school teachers to give him an extension on an assignment.

I’d have liked it better if Charlotte had told Lilly to look in her wallet and find find the condoms that Charlotte put in there. Because from mother to daughter—you can’t count on the guy bringing condoms.

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Anonymous wrote:BYE BYE CHE

They clearly left it so Che can float on the margins of the friends group. Maybe just the occasional one-on-one scene with Carrie, like in this ep.

Yeah, I didn’t mind them in that scene for a change.

+1 It was the only scene with Che I didn't want to fast forward through.

I don’t know. It’s like if we white women need to have Che in the audience reaffirming our inner thoughts about life and moving on, rather than vice versa, then maybe making the cast more diverse isn’t that much of an improvement?

No, it's more like I like Che when they are being a good friend but not when they are being a selfish, immature significant other.

Do you remember when Carrie cheated on Aiden with Big and everyone pretty much hated her that season also? Similar situation, only viewers had years with Carrie to establish affection for her character before she pulled that BS. The show introduced Che and then immediately through them into a relationship with Miranda that was highly problematic from the start. Of course people hated Che.

I liked Che more this episode when she was facing up to hard things. I think she is good at that. But I don’t think she really needed Carrie to show her the way. She faced up to being trans on her own? I just — don’t get me wrong, as a white woman I found the episode enjoyable and I liked Che more. But I’m not fooling myself that someone like Che would need some white super rich privileged lady to teach her about how to handle hard things. Whoever wrote the scene where Che was sitting in Carrie’s audience NODDING HER HEAD along to Carrie’s book reading (where btw Carrie did not even take audience questions wut?) was writing pure white woman escapist fantasy imho and not real life but then again it’s Carrie Bradshaw so *shrug*

It's odd that you don't think a Latina woman could empathize with a white woman. It was a scene about two friends, connecting.

It was a little white savior-y though, no? Che could not get out of their funk -- even though up until that point they had been extremely good at not hiding from tough things in her life -- but thanks to listening to an inspirational chapter from Carrie's book, Che immediately snaps out of it and gets their life back together and takes action. Thank you, Carrie, for helping them out of their difficult spot without even really trying, that was magical of you.

Isn't it pretty to think so? I mean, I liked it! Part of me ate it up, but another part of me is mad at myself for it. I think I'm also a little offended that they did it in that "Carrie reads a book chapter which we perceive to be very meaningful and we just catch the last five sentences and look the whole audience is in tears and Che's life view is now changed" trope, Carrie just reads part of her book and it magically fixed Che! They didn't even have to have a conversation or anything, just Carrie's magical words did it alone.

I interpreted the scene differently. Carrie asked Che to attend with her because she was feeling a little insecure and was relying on Che to help her through. So it started out as a somewhat one-sided event where Che was helping their widowed friend through a stressful event. But, as the night went on, you could see that Che was also benefitting from attending-- being relied on, consulted, connecting with others, and then in the final scene, hearing words that resonated with them and met them exactly where they needed to be met. It was a lovely episode about connection, after many episodes focused on isolation. I didn't watch it through a racial/intersectional lens.

This was my take as well. At no point did i think about race. why would i?
—woman of color

Exactly. Was Seema a “magical person of color” for getting Carrie to sell the apartment she didn’t like and start dating again? No, they are just friends.

It’s like some of us just can’t accept people of different races can be friends on equal footing. Sad.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that a fine black man would be interested in the aging Nya is laughable. She’s not very attractive. She gives off lesbian vibes actually.

I’ve thought Nya was gay right from the start. Doesn’t mean a fine, black man wouldn’t try bedding her. She’s an unusual type of pretty. But definitely lesbian vibe. I don’t even buy it when her character says all that stuff about men.

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’d have liked it better if Charlotte had told Lilly to look in her wallet and find find the condoms that Charlotte put in there. Because from mother to daughter—you can’t count on the guy bringing condoms.

That would have been a better storyline for sure.

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Well, I was prepared for that to be sad. Not sure how a relationship is going to work if your partner refuses to come into your house. But I get his reasoning, sometimes places how a lot of memories.

But also Lilly's BF broke up with her and they just had sex? What a jerk. There is no discussion of that storyline? Figured there would have been some lesson about boys sucking! Now we just move on to other teens having sex.

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The only moments of real emotional honesty have come from the couples with history. First Steve and now Aidan. He was traumatized by Carrie x2 and should have been smart enough to leave. Nothing’s changed. She didn’t pick him back then and is not going to follow him to the VA countryside now. He’s really not a NYC guy. Ugh.

I did enjoy this ep though—did feel more like old times. I posted upthread I wanted Miranda single and having funny dating adventures! Loved Miriam Schor’s appearance. Anthony is always a hoot.

V happy Charlotte is going back to work!

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Anyone else feel Naya had by far the best VDay? I’m totally sending DH and kids out next year and baking myself a soufflé!

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Anonymous wrote:When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

You know, I think that's the focus many people see with aging, and I *really* think it's the revenge fantasy some men with deep misogynistic issues use to soothe themselves. It's just not the experience of many women, especially not those who remain physically active and involved in the world around them.

For example, urinary incontinence in women in their sixties affects about 30-40% of them -- but that includes very mild forms, and most can be treated (and sometimes cured). Britt I've seen men online really get off talking about this as a universal problem, kind of as if it's payback for the women they had some reason of their own not to like.

Aging is head on the body, absolutely. And interpersonal relationships are a whole new balance, not to mention your complex relationship with the self. But that doesn't have to be a focus of a show like this in a negative way in order for the storyline to express truth.

+1, most women I know have aged much more comfortably than PP is describing, especially at the ages portrayed on the show (obviously your 80s are kind of a different deal, but these women are not 80). Even my mom and MIL, who have gained weight and aged in more of a Golden Girls way than a AJLT way, don't wear Depends, and they are both late 70s. The women I know in their 50s and 60s are active, travel a lot, many are still working full or part time (because they want to, not because they have to). The ones who are divorced or never married (or in rare cases widowed) have very active social lives and most date at least occasionally. The ones who are married tend to be very active with their kids and grandkids, host a lot, travel to visit family a lot.

None of them are sitting around lamenting being lonely, wearing depends, or getting fat. They don't like 25 anymore and it's fine, they are also more confidant and generally happier with their lives than they were at 25.

The 60 year olds on this show are acting like they are still in their 20s30s. It’s so unrealistic!

Do you know many 20/30somethings who attend or speak at widow conferences? I don’t.
You know tons of 20something tenured law professors? Wow.
Are dinner parties reserved for 20/30somethings, or are 50/60somethings allowed to eat and converse, too?
Getting a divorce seems to happen to people of all ages, yes?
A ton of 20somethings have kids going to college or who are in high school? How very interesting.
Wow, a ton of 20somethings can afford beautiful, expensive homes in the Hampton that they rent with only one other friend? Impressive.
Online dating seems to be for people of all ages, yes?

Can you point to what, exactly, these ladies are doing that is so age-inappropriate? Having a cocktail? Working on a documentary? Owning a business? Supporting their spouse’s run for public office? Parenting? Being in a relationship, or pursuing a relationship? Buying and selling a home? Working? Volunteering? Going to the launch party for a publication dedicated to older women?

I specifically like the stuff about Miranda and Charlotte parenting teens and young adults in AJLT -- I'm in my late 40s but my DC is just starting middle school, so this will be me, and I think it's interesting to see what that looks like. Especially as both of them are, in different ways, shifting from making their kids their main focus to letting their kids go a little bit and establishing more space just for them. Miranda obviously more so, as Brady is out of the house and she's getting divorced and dating again. But we've also watched Charlotte come to terms with her kids' independent choices with regards to their identities, and letting them go, plus we had a little hint of her maybe getting back into the art world when she had that interaction with Victor Garber (who I definitely think we'll see come back).

I also think it's interesting to see how Charlotte and Harry navigate a healthy marriage as they get closer to being empty nesters. And since their kid's are the same age, it will happen all at once for them. I like that they are so invested in their sex life and maintaining strong connections. Some couples drift at that stage (Miranda and Steve) and Charlotte and Harry are purposeful in not letting that happen.

I honestly think that the storylines in this version of the show are more relatable and relevant to women in their 50s than the original show as to women in their 30s. My 30s looked nothing like Sex and the City. But I relate to a lot about the show now, including having a friend whose husband died unexpectedly and is navigating widowhood way earlier than she thought, a few other friends who never married or had kids, or are divorced without kids, and living a different kind of middle age. There is a lot to relate to here.

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On a shallow note, Kristen Davis backed off the excessive facial work and looks SO GOOD now.

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Anonymous wrote:The only moments of real emotional honesty have come from the couples with history. First Steve and now Aidan. He was traumatized by Carrie x2 and should have been smart enough to leave. Nothing’s changed. She didn’t pick him back then and is not going to follow him to the VA countryside now. He’s really not a NYC guy. Ugh.

I did enjoy this ep though—did feel more like old times. I posted upthread I wanted Miranda single and having funny dating adventures! Loved Miriam Schor’s appearance. Anthony is always a hoot.

V happy Charlotte is going back to work!

Carrie, selfish as ever, was just looking for emotional comfort food and using him as always. She sucks hard.

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Did Charlotte have a stroke or just too much plastic surgery? She seems to have developed a speech impediment.

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Do you guys think that the dating these characters do in their 50s is anywhere realistic?

I'm 49 and was in NYC yesterday and the city is teeming with attractive guys (30-55).
They're all with young or younger women. I'm thin, used to be quite pretty and look good for my age but I'm
basically invisible on the streets. I was wearing a super flattering sun dress and got compliments from a friend
and two random female strangers. But guys looking? Pretty much no.

It's striking when you get to a certain age---(right after 46+):
you become invisible (I know, I know we've talked about this a million times on DCUM).
But man, it's striking. I really wonder if any of the AJLT characters would get a chance (or a second look) from any of handsome men
they're dating in the show. I hope they would!!!! I'm just skeptical.