SATC New Season - And Just Like That...

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Anonymous wrote:When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

You know, I think that's the focus many people see with aging, and I *really* think it's the revenge fantasy some men with deep misogynistic issues use to soothe themselves. It's just not the experience of many women, especially not those who remain physically active and involved in the world around them.

For example, urinary incontinence in women in their sixties affects about 30-40% of them -- but that includes very mild forms, and most can be treated (and sometimes cured). Britt I've seen men online really get off talking about this as a universal problem, kind of as if it's payback for the women they had some reason of their own not to like.

Aging is head on the body, absolutely. And interpersonal relationships are a whole new balance, not to mention your complex relationship with the self. But that doesn't have to be a focus of a show like this in a negative way in order for the storyline to express truth.

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Anonymous wrote:BYE BYE CHE

They clearly left it so Che can float on the margins of the friends group. Maybe just the occasional one-on-one scene with Carrie, like in this ep.

Yeah, I didn’t mind them in that scene for a change.

+1 It was the only scene with Che I didn't want to fast forward through.

I don’t know. It’s like if we white women need to have Che in the audience reaffirming our inner thoughts about life and moving on, rather than vice versa, then maybe making the cast more diverse isn’t that much of an improvement?

No, it's more like I like Che when they are being a good friend but not when they are being a selfish, immature significant other.

Do you remember when Carrie cheated on Aiden with Big and everyone pretty much hated her that season also? Similar situation, only viewers had years with Carrie to establish affection for her character before she pulled that BS. The show introduced Che and then immediately through them into a relationship with Miranda that was highly problematic from the start. Of course people hated Che.

I liked Che more this episode when she was facing up to hard things. I think she is good at that. But I don’t think she really needed Carrie to show her the way. She faced up to being trans on her own? I just — don’t get me wrong, as a white woman I found the episode enjoyable and I liked Che more. But I’m not fooling myself that someone like Che would need some white super rich privileged lady to teach her about how to handle hard things. Whoever wrote the scene where Che was sitting in Carrie’s audience NODDING HER HEAD along to Carrie’s book reading (where btw Carrie did not even take audience questions wut?) was writing pure white woman escapist fantasy imho and not real life but then again it’s Carrie Bradshaw so *shrug*

It's odd that you don't think a Latina woman could empathize with a white woman. It was a scene about two friends, connecting.

It was a little white savior-y though, no? Che could not get out of their funk -- even though up until that point they had been extremely good at not hiding from tough things in her life -- but thanks to listening to an inspirational chapter from Carrie's book, Che immediately snaps out of it and gets their life back together and takes action. Thank you, Carrie, for helping them out of their difficult spot without even really trying, that was magical of you.

Isn't it pretty to think so? I mean, I liked it! Part of me ate it up, but another part of me is mad at myself for it. I think I'm also a little offended that they did it in that "Carrie reads a book chapter which we perceive to be very meaningful and we just catch the last five sentences and look the whole audience is in tears and Che's life view is now changed" trope, Carrie just reads part of her book and it magically fixed Che! They didn't even have to have a conversation or anything, just Carrie's magical words did it alone.

I interpreted the scene differently. Carrie asked Che to attend with her because she was feeling a little insecure and was relying on Che to help her through. So it started out as a somewhat one-sided event where Che was helping their widowed friend through a stressful event. But, as the night went on, you could see that Che was also benefitting from attending-- being relied on, consulted, connecting with others, and then in the final scene, hearing words that resonated with them and met them exactly where they needed to be met. It was a lovely episode about connection, after many episodes focused on isolation. I didn't watch it through a racial/intersectional lens.

This was my take as well. At no point did i think about race. why would i?
—woman of color

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

You know, I think that's the focus many people see with aging, and I *really* think it's the revenge fantasy some men with deep misogynistic issues use to soothe themselves. It's just not the experience of many women, especially not those who remain physically active and involved in the world around them.

For example, urinary incontinence in women in their sixties affects about 30-40% of them -- but that includes very mild forms, and most can be treated (and sometimes cured). Britt I've seen men online really get off talking about this as a universal problem, kind of as if it's payback for the women they had some reason of their own not to like.

Aging is head on the body, absolutely. And interpersonal relationships are a whole new balance, not to mention your complex relationship with the self. But that doesn't have to be a focus of a show like this in a negative way in order for the storyline to express truth.

+1, most women I know have aged much more comfortably than PP is describing, especially at the ages portrayed on the show (obviously your 80s are kind of a different deal, but these women are not 80). Even my mom and MIL, who have gained weight and aged in more of a Golden Girls way than a AJLT way, don't wear Depends, and they are both late 70s. The women I know in their 50s and 60s are active, travel a lot, many are still working full or part time (because they want to, not because they have to). The ones who are divorced or never married (or in rare cases widowed) have very active social lives and most date at least occasionally. The ones who are married tend to be very active with their kids and grandkids, host a lot, travel to visit family a lot.

None of them are sitting around lamenting being lonely, wearing depends, or getting fat. They don't like 25 anymore and it's fine, they are also more confidant and generally happier with their lives than they were at 25.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

You know, I think that's the focus many people see with aging, and I *really* think it's the revenge fantasy some men with deep misogynistic issues use to soothe themselves. It's just not the experience of many women, especially not those who remain physically active and involved in the world around them.

For example, urinary incontinence in women in their sixties affects about 30-40% of them -- but that includes very mild forms, and most can be treated (and sometimes cured). Britt I've seen men online really get off talking about this as a universal problem, kind of as if it's payback for the women they had some reason of their own not to like.

Aging is head on the body, absolutely. And interpersonal relationships are a whole new balance, not to mention your complex relationship with the self. But that doesn't have to be a focus of a show like this in a negative way in order for the storyline to express truth.

They're in their 50s, not their 60s. And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they have some kind of incontinence storyline at some point - probably forcing Miranda to be humiliated (again).

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Anonymous wrote:BYE BYE CHE

They clearly left it so Che can float on the margins of the friends group. Maybe just the occasional one-on-one scene with Carrie, like in this ep.

Yeah, I didn’t mind them in that scene for a change.

+1 It was the only scene with Che I didn't want to fast forward through.

I don’t know. It’s like if we white women need to have Che in the audience reaffirming our inner thoughts about life and moving on, rather than vice versa, then maybe making the cast more diverse isn’t that much of an improvement?

No, it's more like I like Che when they are being a good friend but not when they are being a selfish, immature significant other.

Do you remember when Carrie cheated on Aiden with Big and everyone pretty much hated her that season also? Similar situation, only viewers had years with Carrie to establish affection for her character before she pulled that BS. The show introduced Che and then immediately through them into a relationship with Miranda that was highly problematic from the start. Of course people hated Che.

I liked Che more this episode when she was facing up to hard things. I think she is good at that. But I don’t think she really needed Carrie to show her the way. She faced up to being trans on her own? I just — don’t get me wrong, as a white woman I found the episode enjoyable and I liked Che more. But I’m not fooling myself that someone like Che would need some white super rich privileged lady to teach her about how to handle hard things. Whoever wrote the scene where Che was sitting in Carrie’s audience NODDING HER HEAD along to Carrie’s book reading (where btw Carrie did not even take audience questions wut?) was writing pure white woman escapist fantasy imho and not real life but then again it’s Carrie Bradshaw so *shrug*

It's odd that you don't think a Latina woman could empathize with a white woman. It was a scene about two friends, connecting.

It was a little white savior-y though, no? Che could not get out of their funk -- even though up until that point they had been extremely good at not hiding from tough things in her life -- but thanks to listening to an inspirational chapter from Carrie's book, Che immediately snaps out of it and gets their life back together and takes action. Thank you, Carrie, for helping them out of their difficult spot without even really trying, that was magical of you.

Isn't it pretty to think so? I mean, I liked it! Part of me ate it up, but another part of me is mad at myself for it. I think I'm also a little offended that they did it in that "Carrie reads a book chapter which we perceive to be very meaningful and we just catch the last five sentences and look the whole audience is in tears and Che's life view is now changed" trope, Carrie just reads part of her book and it magically fixed Che! They didn't even have to have a conversation or anything, just Carrie's magical words did it alone.

NP. No, it wasn’t “white savior,” it was friends helping friends. Che helped Carrie by being there with her, and Carrie helped Che by reading her very personal book, which helped share some perspective.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

Sucks to have your genetics. My parents are pushing 80 and no Depends in sight.

You are very lucky then so stfu.

Or you have resigned yourself to your fate and wallow in it. So why don’t you STFU and stop pretending like everyone else has the exact same experience as you by saying that this show isn’t realistic unless these women have your issues.

[Anonymous]

The Aidan storyline is dumb.

And Carrie’s email was pathetic. It reminds me of someone trying to start an emotional affair with a high school sweetheart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

You know, I think that's the focus many people see with aging, and I *really* think it's the revenge fantasy some men with deep misogynistic issues use to soothe themselves. It's just not the experience of many women, especially not those who remain physically active and involved in the world around them.

For example, urinary incontinence in women in their sixties affects about 30-40% of them -- but that includes very mild forms, and most can be treated (and sometimes cured). Britt I've seen men online really get off talking about this as a universal problem, kind of as if it's payback for the women they had some reason of their own not to like.

Aging is head on the body, absolutely. And interpersonal relationships are a whole new balance, not to mention your complex relationship with the self. But that doesn't have to be a focus of a show like this in a negative way in order for the storyline to express truth.

They're in their 50s, not their 60s. And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they have some kind of incontinence storyline at some point - probably forcing Miranda to be humiliated (again).

Right, thus the "for example." But you're really fixed on urination, aren't you?

Hmmm.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

You know, I think that's the focus many people see with aging, and I *really* think it's the revenge fantasy some men with deep misogynistic issues use to soothe themselves. It's just not the experience of many women, especially not those who remain physically active and involved in the world around them.

For example, urinary incontinence in women in their sixties affects about 30-40% of them -- but that includes very mild forms, and most can be treated (and sometimes cured). Britt I've seen men online really get off talking about this as a universal problem, kind of as if it's payback for the women they had some reason of their own not to like.

Aging is head on the body, absolutely. And interpersonal relationships are a whole new balance, not to mention your complex relationship with the self. But that doesn't have to be a focus of a show like this in a negative way in order for the storyline to express truth.

+1, most women I know have aged much more comfortably than PP is describing, especially at the ages portrayed on the show (obviously your 80s are kind of a different deal, but these women are not 80). Even my mom and MIL, who have gained weight and aged in more of a Golden Girls way than a AJLT way, don't wear Depends, and they are both late 70s. The women I know in their 50s and 60s are active, travel a lot, many are still working full or part time (because they want to, not because they have to). The ones who are divorced or never married (or in rare cases widowed) have very active social lives and most date at least occasionally. The ones who are married tend to be very active with their kids and grandkids, host a lot, travel to visit family a lot.

None of them are sitting around lamenting being lonely, wearing depends, or getting fat. They don't like 25 anymore and it's fine, they are also more confidant and generally happier with their lives than they were at 25.

The 60 year olds on this show are acting like they are still in their 20s30s. It’s so unrealistic!

[Anonymous]

My elderly relatives do not wear depends (yet!). My mom has many friends in their 80s who are active, travel, socialize, etc. - it’s very inspiring. I also work in a hospital where I see many middle aged people with multiple medical issues, so there is a spectrum. But I don’t necessarily think SATC is unrealistic. In the earlier series, Samantha had breast cancer and dealt with gray pubes, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

You know, I think that's the focus many people see with aging, and I *really* think it's the revenge fantasy some men with deep misogynistic issues use to soothe themselves. It's just not the experience of many women, especially not those who remain physically active and involved in the world around them.

For example, urinary incontinence in women in their sixties affects about 30-40% of them -- but that includes very mild forms, and most can be treated (and sometimes cured). Britt I've seen men online really get off talking about this as a universal problem, kind of as if it's payback for the women they had some reason of their own not to like.

Aging is head on the body, absolutely. And interpersonal relationships are a whole new balance, not to mention your complex relationship with the self. But that doesn't have to be a focus of a show like this in a negative way in order for the storyline to express truth.

+1, most women I know have aged much more comfortably than PP is describing, especially at the ages portrayed on the show (obviously your 80s are kind of a different deal, but these women are not 80). Even my mom and MIL, who have gained weight and aged in more of a Golden Girls way than a AJLT way, don't wear Depends, and they are both late 70s. The women I know in their 50s and 60s are active, travel a lot, many are still working full or part time (because they want to, not because they have to). The ones who are divorced or never married (or in rare cases widowed) have very active social lives and most date at least occasionally. The ones who are married tend to be very active with their kids and grandkids, host a lot, travel to visit family a lot.

None of them are sitting around lamenting being lonely, wearing depends, or getting fat. They don't like 25 anymore and it's fine, they are also more confidant and generally happier with their lives than they were at 25.

The 60 year olds on this show are acting like they are still in their 20s30s. It’s so unrealistic!

Do you know many 20/30somethings who attend or speak at widow conferences? I don’t.
You know tons of 20something tenured law professors? Wow.
Are dinner parties reserved for 20/30somethings, or are 50/60somethings allowed to eat and converse, too?
Getting a divorce seems to happen to people of all ages, yes?
A ton of 20somethings have kids going to college or who are in high school? How very interesting.
Wow, a ton of 20somethings can afford beautiful, expensive homes in the Hampton that they rent with only one other friend? Impressive.
Online dating seems to be for people of all ages, yes?

Can you point to what, exactly, these ladies are doing that is so age-inappropriate? Having a cocktail? Working on a documentary? Owning a business? Supporting their spouse’s run for public office? Parenting? Being in a relationship, or pursuing a relationship? Buying and selling a home? Working? Volunteering? Going to the launch party for a publication dedicated to older women?

[Anonymous]

I like this season better than the first one. Che has turned out to be an interesting character as long as she isn’t doing her standup which is painfully unfunny. Evan Carrie is less annoying than she was on the original series. Miranda is just a shrew. Just get divorced already.
The storyline about Brady crying in Europe was so stupid and contrived.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Aidan storyline is dumb.

And Carrie’s email was pathetic. It reminds me of someone trying to start an emotional affair with a high school sweetheart.

Hardcore Aidan fan here and nope, nothing ever dumb about Aidan❤️ Love that goofy guy!! So excited for this storyline!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Aidan storyline is dumb.

And Carrie’s email was pathetic. It reminds me of someone trying to start an emotional affair with a high school sweetheart.

Hardcore Aidan fan here and nope, nothing ever dumb about Aidan❤️ Love that goofy guy!! So excited for this storyline!

+1. Aiden forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When is this show going to be more realistic and talk about gaining weight, tired, lonely, and having to start wearing depends?

Maybe when they are 70? Who is doing all that in their 50s? Not me and I doubt I am the exception.