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Anonymous wrote:People who don’t understand the nuance of these neighborhoods don’t see the community both White oaks and Sangster parents are fighting for. A man with a house on the dividing line made it clear - his neighborhood is walkable for students to visit friends etc but moving him to LBSS makes most of his school. community across the parkway and Lee chapel, eliminating the community aspect. white oaks parents explained that their neighborhood is governed by 3 HOAS that would be split in strange ways, again eliminating the neighborhood community when the students go to different schools.

When these parents talk about community, it’s not the school it’s where their physical house is and the community they see daily, carpool with, walk to friends houses etc. but moving these schools they would no longer be part of that because the natural boundaries are the parkway - and kids aren’t crossing that alone to go play w a friend

I didn't understand that argument. There are no houses in that Sangster area that they're suggested moving in Scenario 4 where the dividing line is between houses. There's a house on Cottontail that's divided from its neighbors down the street in that scenario via Cherry Run Park. But the county usually uses natural boundaries like parks, woods and streams as dividing lines. The argument here is that kids would be able to play with their neighbors, but not other kids who go to their school because they couldn't walk to see them? Isn't that always the case, especially when it comes to middle and high schools? Are kids in that Sangster neighborhood walking up Keene Mill to hang out with their classmates from Daventry at the Plaza?

I understand that no one wants to leave their current school. I wish the county would look at less disruptive options, like their faulty CIP projections, why the number of transfers into "closed to transfers" WSHS has more than doubled in the past few years and residency checks. But FCPS isn't interested in doing any of that.

Yes, yes, all of this.

The community argument sounds so contrived in this case.

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Anonymous wrote:People who don’t understand the nuance of these neighborhoods don’t see the community both White oaks and Sangster parents are fighting for. A man with a house on the dividing line made it clear - his neighborhood is walkable for students to visit friends etc but moving him to LBSS makes most of his school. community across the parkway and Lee chapel, eliminating the community aspect. white oaks parents explained that their neighborhood is governed by 3 HOAS that would be split in strange ways, again eliminating the neighborhood community when the students go to different schools.

When these parents talk about community, it’s not the school it’s where their physical house is and the community they see daily, carpool with, walk to friends houses etc. but moving these schools they would no longer be part of that because the natural boundaries are the parkway - and kids aren’t crossing that alone to go play w a friend

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Community is walkable. Community is heading to the pools and seeing a friend. Community is meeting a friend and safely biking without crossing main roads.

And that entire communuty would get rezoned to Lake Braddock.

But they shouldn't have to be. Parents chose not to have their kids go to LBSS. They don't want that atmosphere. They don't want their kids in that school. It's not appropriate and the school just isn't the right sort of atmosphere.

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Anonymous wrote:People who don’t understand the nuance of these neighborhoods don’t see the community both White oaks and Sangster parents are fighting for. A man with a house on the dividing line made it clear - his neighborhood is walkable for students to visit friends etc but moving him to LBSS makes most of his school. community across the parkway and Lee chapel, eliminating the community aspect. white oaks parents explained that their neighborhood is governed by 3 HOAS that would be split in strange ways, again eliminating the neighborhood community when the students go to different schools.

When these parents talk about community, it’s not the school it’s where their physical house is and the community they see daily, carpool with, walk to friends houses etc. but moving these schools they would no longer be part of that because the natural boundaries are the parkway - and kids aren’t crossing that alone to go play w a friend

I didn't understand that argument. There are no houses in that Sangster area that they're suggested moving in Scenario 4 where the dividing line is between houses. There's a house on Cottontail that's divided from its neighbors down the street in that scenario via Cherry Run Park. But the county usually uses natural boundaries like parks, woods and streams as dividing lines. The argument here is that kids would be able to play with their neighbors, but not other kids who go to their school because they couldn't walk to see them? Isn't that always the case, especially when it comes to middle and high schools? Are kids in that Sangster neighborhood walking up Keene Mill to hang out with their classmates from Daventry at the Plaza?

I understand that no one wants to leave their current school. I wish the county would look at less disruptive options, like their faulty CIP projections, why the number of transfers into "closed to transfers" WSHS has more than doubled in the past few years and residency checks. But FCPS isn't interested in doing any of that.

There’s not a park on cottontail. There is a swath of natural woods, but it’s not a significant space.

Kids from Sangster are walking up and down huntsman and Sydenstricker with their OHES and HVES base peers, some who actually went to Sangster with them in AAP. I’m unsure what Daventry has to do with this. They can safely bike to the many pools in this vicinity to go with friends. They go to the shopping center together and the lake.

Half of that Sangster neighborhood inside the parkway already attends Lake Braddock.

Everything on the side and back of Sangster goes to LB. The front and rest of the side of Sangster goes to WSHS.

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Anonymous wrote:People who don’t understand the nuance of these neighborhoods don’t see the community both White oaks and Sangster parents are fighting for. A man with a house on the dividing line made it clear - his neighborhood is walkable for students to visit friends etc but moving him to LBSS makes most of his school. community across the parkway and Lee chapel, eliminating the community aspect. white oaks parents explained that their neighborhood is governed by 3 HOAS that would be split in strange ways, again eliminating the neighborhood community when the students go to different schools.

When these parents talk about community, it’s not the school it’s where their physical house is and the community they see daily, carpool with, walk to friends houses etc. but moving these schools they would no longer be part of that because the natural boundaries are the parkway - and kids aren’t crossing that alone to go play w a friend

I didn't understand that argument. There are no houses in that Sangster area that they're suggested moving in Scenario 4 where the dividing line is between houses. There's a house on Cottontail that's divided from its neighbors down the street in that scenario via Cherry Run Park. But the county usually uses natural boundaries like parks, woods and streams as dividing lines. The argument here is that kids would be able to play with their neighbors, but not other kids who go to their school because they couldn't walk to see them? Isn't that always the case, especially when it comes to middle and high schools? Are kids in that Sangster neighborhood walking up Keene Mill to hang out with their classmates from Daventry at the Plaza?

I understand that no one wants to leave their current school. I wish the county would look at less disruptive options, like their faulty CIP projections, why the number of transfers into "closed to transfers" WSHS has more than doubled in the past few years and residency checks. But FCPS isn't interested in doing any of that.

There’s not a park on cottontail. There is a swath of natural woods, but it’s not a significant space.

Kids from Sangster are walking up and down huntsman and Sydenstricker with their OHES and HVES base peers, some who actually went to Sangster with them in AAP. I’m unsure what Daventry has to do with this. They can safely bike to the many pools in this vicinity to go with friends. They go to the shopping center together and the lake.

The Irving kids aren't going to the Huntsman shopping center. Those are mostly LB kids.

The Irving kids hang out at the Whole Foods Plaza on Rolling Rd.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Good! Because ultimately, they need to reduce overcrowding at WSHS and increase enrollment at Lewis. Idc how they do it, people are going to be pissed regardless so just rip the bandaid off and get it done!

One of the SB's goals since the beginning is to relocate a number of students from WSHS to Lewis. Thru did not deliver for Reid because Thru's original scenario maps generally reflected WSHS community feedback. With Reid and Anderson's signaling last night, don't be surprised for an 11th hour change that reduces WSHS count by moving more kids to Lewis.

I agree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People who don’t understand the nuance of these neighborhoods don’t see the community both White oaks and Sangster parents are fighting for. A man with a house on the dividing line made it clear - his neighborhood is walkable for students to visit friends etc but moving him to LBSS makes most of his school. community across the parkway and Lee chapel, eliminating the community aspect. white oaks parents explained that their neighborhood is governed by 3 HOAS that would be split in strange ways, again eliminating the neighborhood community when the students go to different schools.

When these parents talk about community, it’s not the school it’s where their physical house is and the community they see daily, carpool with, walk to friends houses etc. but moving these schools they would no longer be part of that because the natural boundaries are the parkway - and kids aren’t crossing that alone to go play w a friend

I didn't understand that argument. There are no houses in that Sangster area that they're suggested moving in Scenario 4 where the dividing line is between houses. There's a house on Cottontail that's divided from its neighbors down the street in that scenario via Cherry Run Park. But the county usually uses natural boundaries like parks, woods and streams as dividing lines. The argument here is that kids would be able to play with their neighbors, but not other kids who go to their school because they couldn't walk to see them? Isn't that always the case, especially when it comes to middle and high schools? Are kids in that Sangster neighborhood walking up Keene Mill to hang out with their classmates from Daventry at the Plaza?

I understand that no one wants to leave their current school. I wish the county would look at less disruptive options, like their faulty CIP projections, why the number of transfers into "closed to transfers" WSHS has more than doubled in the past few years and residency checks. But FCPS isn't interested in doing any of that.

There’s not a park on cottontail. There is a swath of natural woods, but it’s not a significant space.

Kids from Sangster are walking up and down huntsman and Sydenstricker with their OHES and HVES base peers, some who actually went to Sangster with them in AAP. I’m unsure what Daventry has to do with this. They can safely bike to the many pools in this vicinity to go with friends. They go to the shopping center together and the lake.

What I don't get is that these Sangster kids do not go to elementary school with their neighborhood friends (besides the AAP kids). They do not go to the same ES as their walkable community, which nobody complains about, but then it's a big problem for MS and HS?

Exactly this.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Why can't they pursue looking at detailed demographic projections at a more granular level, not moving anyone from another pyramid in, doing boundary checks, truly closing to transfers, moving German, etc.? We're not at WSHS, but all of those things should be common sense. Why is it not "first do no harm" instead of "spread the harm around to as many as possible for poorly thought-out reasons"?

Of course people will be upset about any redistricting that affects them, but it would be MUCH less upsetting if they made a more compelling case that accounts for reality.

To be fair, the vocal people are the ones getting moved or in danger of getting moved that want to stay at the school. There are also LOTS of people who want relief from overcrowding at WS. In fact, one of the first questions was about only reducing WSHS from 112% capacity to 106% capacity and why they weren't able to get it down lower in scenario 4.

They could have gotten it down lower in scenario 4 if they had moved most of HV south of the Parkway to South County like they originally wanted. But then you had HV lobbying to stay at WS, which was granted, so now WSHS stays overcrowded. You can’t have it all - either everyone or most people stay at WS and it stays at 110%+ with trailers in essentially a brand new building, and the level of crowding will last until the large class of current 7th graders graduates. Or areas move out to address the crowding, but the people getting moved out end up at a smaller and more mixed income MS/HS (South County) or at the dreaded 7-12 secondary school (Lake Braddock) which they don’t want, so they lobby to stay.

Sangster and the Keene Mill island were always slated to go to Lake Braddock because that is the most obvious solution for WSHS.

This was not a bait and switch situation

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Why can't they pursue looking at detailed demographic projections at a more granular level, not moving anyone from another pyramid in, doing boundary checks, truly closing to transfers, moving German, etc.? We're not at WSHS, but all of those things should be common sense. Why is it not "first do no harm" instead of "spread the harm around to as many as possible for poorly thought-out reasons"?

Of course people will be upset about any redistricting that affects them, but it would be MUCH less upsetting if they made a more compelling case that accounts for reality.

To be fair, the vocal people are the ones getting moved or in danger of getting moved that want to stay at the school. There are also LOTS of people who want relief from overcrowding at WS. In fact, one of the first questions was about only reducing WSHS from 112% capacity to 106% capacity and why they weren't able to get it down lower in scenario 4.

They could have gotten it down lower in scenario 4 if they had moved most of HV south of the Parkway to South County like they originally wanted. But then you had HV lobbying to stay at WS, which was granted, so now WSHS stays overcrowded. You can’t have it all - either everyone or most people stay at WS and it stays at 110%+ with trailers in essentially a brand new building, and the level of crowding will last until the large class of current 7th graders graduates. Or areas move out to address the crowding, but the people getting moved out end up at a smaller and more mixed income MS/HS (South County) or at the dreaded 7-12 secondary school (Lake Braddock) which they don’t want, so they lobby to stay.

WSHS should lose ar least one of the trailers next year when class of 2026 graduates. The numbers don't lie.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Why can't they pursue looking at detailed demographic projections at a more granular level, not moving anyone from another pyramid in, doing boundary checks, truly closing to transfers, moving German, etc.? We're not at WSHS, but all of those things should be common sense. Why is it not "first do no harm" instead of "spread the harm around to as many as possible for poorly thought-out reasons"?

Of course people will be upset about any redistricting that affects them, but it would be MUCH less upsetting if they made a more compelling case that accounts for reality.

To be fair, the vocal people are the ones getting moved or in danger of getting moved that want to stay at the school. There are also LOTS of people who want relief from overcrowding at WS. In fact, one of the first questions was about only reducing WSHS from 112% capacity to 106% capacity and why they weren't able to get it down lower in scenario 4.

They could have gotten it down lower in scenario 4 if they had moved most of HV south of the Parkway to South County like they originally wanted. But then you had HV lobbying to stay at WS, which was granted, so now WSHS stays overcrowded. You can’t have it all - either everyone or most people stay at WS and it stays at 110%+ with trailers in essentially a brand new building, and the level of crowding will last until the large class of current 7th graders graduates. Or areas move out to address the crowding, but the people getting moved out end up at a smaller and more mixed income MS/HS (South County) or at the dreaded 7-12 secondary school (Lake Braddock) which they don’t want, so they lobby to stay.

Sangster and the Keene Mill island were always slated to go to Lake Braddock because that is the most obvious solution for WSHS.

This was not a bait and switch situation

It's definitely bait and switch to move white oaks kids to cherry run.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think Reid will change scenario 4 after the feedback, or will it stay the same ?

Yes.

She stated at tge end that some of the map 3 changes will be added back in.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Why can't they pursue looking at detailed demographic projections at a more granular level, not moving anyone from another pyramid in, doing boundary checks, truly closing to transfers, moving German, etc.? We're not at WSHS, but all of those things should be common sense. Why is it not "first do no harm" instead of "spread the harm around to as many as possible for poorly thought-out reasons"?

Of course people will be upset about any redistricting that affects them, but it would be MUCH less upsetting if they made a more compelling case that accounts for reality.

To be fair, the vocal people are the ones getting moved or in danger of getting moved that want to stay at the school. There are also LOTS of people who want relief from overcrowding at WS. In fact, one of the first questions was about only reducing WSHS from 112% capacity to 106% capacity and why they weren't able to get it down lower in scenario 4.

Yes, I agree with you, and it's probably not resolvable with only the low hanging fruit, but it surprised me to hear how much low hanging fruit apparently hasn't been considered.

The Keene Mill Island and Sangster are the low hanging fruit.

Why not close the Afton Glenn Island as low hanging fruit?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I read that the Town of Vienna is pissed about them moving some residents out of the community school and their governing body issued a statement recently condemning it.

Almost the entire Fairfax community wants to stay where they are. Shame on the school board for engaging in this comprehensive review (with absurd five year cycles) rather than addressing the actually urgent needs (only Coates at the moment).

The comprehensive review was a good thing. If they end up making almost no changes, that is also fine.

The comprehensive review was a waste of a half million dollars. Likely 1 million wasted when you factor in all the over time for the dozens of FCPS employees and security staffing all these meetings.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Why can't they pursue looking at detailed demographic projections at a more granular level, not moving anyone from another pyramid in, doing boundary checks, truly closing to transfers, moving German, etc.? We're not at WSHS, but all of those things should be common sense. Why is it not "first do no harm" instead of "spread the harm around to as many as possible for poorly thought-out reasons"?

Of course people will be upset about any redistricting that affects them, but it would be MUCH less upsetting if they made a more compelling case that accounts for reality.

To be fair, the vocal people are the ones getting moved or in danger of getting moved that want to stay at the school. There are also LOTS of people who want relief from overcrowding at WS. In fact, one of the first questions was about only reducing WSHS from 112% capacity to 106% capacity and why they weren't able to get it down lower in scenario 4.

Yes, I agree with you, and it's probably not resolvable with only the low hanging fruit, but it surprised me to hear how much low hanging fruit apparently hasn't been considered.

The Keene Mill Island and Sangster are the low hanging fruit.

Why not close the Afton Glenn Island as low hanging fruit?

It's coming back for Scenario 5. Reid is reversing some of the changes from 3 to 4 and that's an obvious one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People who don’t understand the nuance of these neighborhoods don’t see the community both White oaks and Sangster parents are fighting for. A man with a house on the dividing line made it clear - his neighborhood is walkable for students to visit friends etc but moving him to LBSS makes most of his school. community across the parkway and Lee chapel, eliminating the community aspect. white oaks parents explained that their neighborhood is governed by 3 HOAS that would be split in strange ways, again eliminating the neighborhood community when the students go to different schools.

When these parents talk about community, it’s not the school it’s where their physical house is and the community they see daily, carpool with, walk to friends houses etc. but moving these schools they would no longer be part of that because the natural boundaries are the parkway - and kids aren’t crossing that alone to go play w a friend

I didn't understand that argument. There are no houses in that Sangster area that they're suggested moving in Scenario 4 where the dividing line is between houses. There's a house on Cottontail that's divided from its neighbors down the street in that scenario via Cherry Run Park. But the county usually uses natural boundaries like parks, woods and streams as dividing lines. The argument here is that kids would be able to play with their neighbors, but not other kids who go to their school because they couldn't walk to see them? Isn't that always the case, especially when it comes to middle and high schools? Are kids in that Sangster neighborhood walking up Keene Mill to hang out with their classmates from Daventry at the Plaza?

I understand that no one wants to leave their current school. I wish the county would look at less disruptive options, like their faulty CIP projections, why the number of transfers into "closed to transfers" WSHS has more than doubled in the past few years and residency checks. But FCPS isn't interested in doing any of that.

There’s not a park on cottontail. There is a swath of natural woods, but it’s not a significant space.

Kids from Sangster are walking up and down huntsman and Sydenstricker with their OHES and HVES base peers, some who actually went to Sangster with them in AAP. I’m unsure what Daventry has to do with this. They can safely bike to the many pools in this vicinity to go with friends. They go to the shopping center together and the lake.

What I don't get is that these Sangster kids do not go to elementary school with their neighborhood friends (besides the AAP kids). They do not go to the same ES as their walkable community, which nobody complains about, but then it's a big problem for MS and HS?

Exactly this.

These situations abound. In Vienna there’s a group of Westbriar parents complaining about getting moved from Madison to Marshall. But all of Westbriar goes to Kilmer, and most of both Westbriar and Kilmer already go to Marshall. It’s not about education and it’s clearly not about keeping kids together from ES to HS. It’s about perceptions around real estate values and made-up woes about “tearing the town of Vienna” apart, as if you need a passport to enter the town of Vienna.

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When does the next round of maps that adjusts scenario 4 come out? December?