Boundary Review Meetings

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Anonymous wrote:I read that the Town of Vienna is pissed about them moving some residents out of the community school and their governing body issued a statement recently condemning it.

Almost the entire Fairfax community wants to stay where they are. Shame on the school board for engaging in this comprehensive review (with absurd five year cycles) rather than addressing the actually urgent needs (only Coates at the moment).

The comprehensive review was a good thing. If they end up making almost no changes, that is also fine.

Was it? Didn't we pay close to a million for a consultation who was completely incompetent? At a time were FCPS is struggling to even met budget?

+1. Also, the comprehensive review delayed the Coates fix for an entire year. The one school that urgently needed relief didn’t get it because of the comprehensive review.

It’s been a total cluster f from the get-go.

Vote “no” on the school bond to send them a message. These people are idiots.

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Anonymous wrote:People who don’t understand the nuance of these neighborhoods don’t see the community both White oaks and Sangster parents are fighting for. A man with a house on the dividing line made it clear - his neighborhood is walkable for students to visit friends etc but moving him to LBSS makes most of his school. community across the parkway and Lee chapel, eliminating the community aspect. white oaks parents explained that their neighborhood is governed by 3 HOAS that would be split in strange ways, again eliminating the neighborhood community when the students go to different schools.

When these parents talk about community, it’s not the school it’s where their physical house is and the community they see daily, carpool with, walk to friends houses etc. but moving these schools they would no longer be part of that because the natural boundaries are the parkway - and kids aren’t crossing that alone to go play w a friend

FCPS should NOT take HOAs into account for rezoning.

The back door deals with the builders from the areas built up in the 70s through 90s are why the boundaries are so convoluted to begin with.

Some house has to be the last house on the boundary line. We are one of the last houses between 2 elementary schools. We are closer to the one we don't attend by around 1/2 mile and go to the pool with the other elementary school. The kids are friends with kids at both schools and from both high schools.

The parents making arguments against having elementary students at two schools were passionate, yet every single one of them would happily and without complaint send their kids to 2 different elementary schools if one of them got accepted into AAP.


The most compelling arguements were:

1) grandfathering Irving middle school students through WSHS since the LBSS and other secondary school 7th and 8th graders get to be grandfathered through to 12th grade

2) The final rezoning maps will not be released until a full month after 8th graders register for their high school classes and after the auditions for placement classes like orchestra occur. FCPS needs to grandfather all affected 8th graders through high school so they can register for their classes on schedule, and not leave them in limbo

3) Data, data, data. Check the data. The data used to justify rezoning and projections do not appear accurate. The class of 2026 is approximately 150 larger than the current 8th graders. The 8th grade classes at WSHS usually gain around 50-70 students between 8th and 9th. This puts WSHS at losing enrollment at approximately 80-100 students next year. However, the CIP shows WSHS increasing again next year. Even if WSHS gains 80 new students next year. They should still show on the CIP and projections as losing students. The FCPS estimates for WSHS are not accurate.

4) residency checks and removing pupil placement studdnts prior to any rezoning occuring, so residents getting rezoned are clear they are not getting rezoned to accomodate people who live in areas zoned for other high schools.

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Rolling Valley to WSHS is likely dead in the water, not because of the WSHS parents but because of the compelling arguments made by the Lewis parents at their meeting. Dr. Reid stated this last night.


*** Dr. Reid stated at the end that changes from Map 3 are likely to return for Map 5. I took this to mean that Sangster and the Keene Mill island are back in, and Hunt Valley is back out.

Get ready for fireworks.

I missed that part about RV. Can you give more detail?

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Anonymous wrote:<<<I think in the long run it's better to eliminate the split feeder and have the whole elementary move to middle and high school together at LBSS.>>>>

But this question was asked in several different ways, from different schools - what's so bad about a split feeder? The parents knew buying their home it was a split feeder, the kids knew from day one that some students would be going to a different school, and the majority of the eliminated split feeders are actually no longer being eliminated.

I think people are more tolerant to elementary school split feeders because they are fairly common. Middle school split feeders are less obvious to home buyers, especially ones that are very unevenly split.

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Anonymous wrote:i hear Saratoga Mom is showing up to Irving tonight to give Reid an earful about rezoning some of HVES to Saratoga/Key/Lewis

Well if she was there she didn’t ask a question. It was mostly pissed off White Oaks parents and Sangster parents who really dislike LBSS. One said LBSS middle schoolers get accosted on buses by HS students and are sexually harassed. It was wild.

It was not wild at all It was parents from many different schools voicing concerns for their children’s future. All done respectfully and with very good questions. I hope Reid heard the concerns - especially the questions about data and projected numbers and will take it to heart. I honestly felt more heard in that meeting than I have with SA and other members in previous conversations. But maybe Reid is just a better politician and better at making people feel like their comments are making an impact.

The wild reference wasn’t the whole night, that poster was referring to the negative comments about Lake Braddock….with the Lake Braddock principal there. That part was indeed wild and also awkward.

I’m the PP and yes, that’s what I meant. Sangster parents apparently believe LBSS is a crime-ridden dump where predatory seniors hit on 12 year old girls on the bus and in the halls and kids get hung on lockers and bullied. Sangster parents made it clear last night LBSS is really terrible. I guess it’s reputation as a good school is false.

My big take away is that Sangster and White Oak changes to close those split feeders and the attendance island will get reversed now. They’ll focus on areas that haven’t complained like Daventry and West Soringfield and reopen the changes they reversed from Scenario 3. Someone has to move and now it’s clear Sangster kids avoiding LBSS is the priority because the school is terrible and it’s 2 miles further away than WSHS. Most likely it means hundreds of kids will get moved to Lewis and South County.

West Soringfield neighborhoods are going to go to war with each other. I hope Racha and Sandy are pleased at what they’ve accomplished.

It wasn’t that dramatic I would say. A couple of people did mention that they have strong feelings about secondary schools in general. I think most people agree that LB is a great school. No one else said anything bad about it.

I spent 2+ hours listening to people complain about having to move to LBSS because it’s not part of their community (even though the rest of Sangster goes there) and how far away it is and how people want their babies to be babies and not surrounded by upper classmen. It sounds terrible. I’ve only been there for games and it looked okay to me but it sounds really bad with a lot of bullying and abuse towards 7th and 8th graders.

Honestly, that was one comment made by one parent and the entire rest of room thought it was cringe. The rest of the comments were thoughtful and reasonable. I was impressed by how White Oaks, Sangster, and HV parents all spoke with decorum. I also appreciated Dr. Reid staying far past ending time to finish questions. Tonight made me proud for the whole West Springfield community.

I wasn't bothered by that comment and my kid goes to LB. There are also LB kids who don't want to go to Irving because of Irving's reputation. All schools have good and bad. It's valid for someone not to want their 7th grader on the bus with 12th graders even if it's not everyone's priority.

I also thought Reid's response should have been thanks for your feedback and not basically gaslighting the commenter by trying to emotionally appeal to people and protect the principal's feelings. The principal doesn't know everything that goes on and Reid especially doesn't.

Irving kids are sexually active, experimenting with drugs and vapes, bullying kids, running amuk at the shopping center, and watching porn and violence on their phones too, just like the LBSS kids.

Going to a middle school vs a secondary school does not mean that the secondary kids have access to smart phones via the high school kids and the middle school kids are tech free.

The high school boys at the secondary schools are NOT hitting on the 12 year old girls on the busses. These boys have grown up in the me too era with lots of training on how not to make girls uncomfortable. They are barely hitting in their same age high school classmates and wouldn't touch middle school girls with a 20 foot pole. Heck, they will rarely date girls 1 or 2 grades younger than them. They are not your 80s teen boys.

That parent's comments sounded as if they were a parent of very young children who did not have much experience with teenagers and middle school kids. It was well intended, but based on stereotypes a kindergarten parent would have about teenagers.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Someone is moving.

Dr. Reid told tge group towards the end that map 3 changes will be returning in map 4.

There were a lot of changes from Scenario 3 to Scenario 4 around the county. Did she say they're tossing out Scenario 4 and reverting to Scenario 3? I thought Reid had previously said that Scenario 3 was dead and all changes would be made off of Scenario 4 moving forward.

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Anonymous wrote:What was said about Rolling Valley, especially the neighborhood moving into WSHS from Lewis?

When a parent asked about RV, Reid very plainly stated that the Rolling Valley to WSHS was not likely to happen.

She stated it twice.

The decision was made after the Lewis meeting and before the WSHS meeting.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Someone is moving.

Dr. Reid told tge group towards the end that map 3 changes will be returning in map 4.

There were a lot of changes from Scenario 3 to Scenario 4 around the county. Did she say they're tossing out Scenario 4 and reverting to Scenario 3? I thought Reid had previously said that Scenario 3 was dead and all changes would be made off of Scenario 4 moving forward.

I know Thru announced that scenario 3 was dead and they were only considering scenario 4. The question is whether Reid/Gatehouse will overrule BRAC recommendations made for scenario 5. For example, I don’t see WSHS BRAC requesting that scenario 3 recommendations be restored for scenario 5.

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https://www.viennava.gov/files/2d6203ef-a555-4660-9d82-77b0cccf033e/10-27-2025-Town-Council-Opposes-School-Redistricting-Plan.pdf

Here’s the Town of Vienna announcement.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Why can't they pursue looking at detailed demographic projections at a more granular level, not moving anyone from another pyramid in, doing boundary checks, truly closing to transfers, moving German, etc.? We're not at WSHS, but all of those things should be common sense. Why is it not "first do no harm" instead of "spread the harm around to as many as possible for poorly thought-out reasons"?

Of course people will be upset about any redistricting that affects them, but it would be MUCH less upsetting if they made a more compelling case that accounts for reality.

The German immersion program are almost exclusively WSHS zoned students.

The German program at WSHS is fine.

The issue is that WSHS is still allowing students not coming from German immersion to transfer into WSHS from other schools for German in violation of the transfer policy. Since WSHS is closed to transfers, they are supposed to go to the next closest school, but fcps is overriding the transfer policy and letting thsm go to WSHS.

What they should do for these students is to do what FCPS does for academy and AP music theory classes, where they go for one period and return to the base school for the rest of their classes, or take the class live remotely from their school library zoomed into an actusl class at one of the high schools, but take the rest of their classes from their zoned school.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Why can't they pursue looking at detailed demographic projections at a more granular level, not moving anyone from another pyramid in, doing boundary checks, truly closing to transfers, moving German, etc.? We're not at WSHS, but all of those things should be common sense. Why is it not "first do no harm" instead of "spread the harm around to as many as possible for poorly thought-out reasons"?

Of course people will be upset about any redistricting that affects them, but it would be MUCH less upsetting if they made a more compelling case that accounts for reality.

To be fair, the vocal people are the ones getting moved or in danger of getting moved that want to stay at the school. There are also LOTS of people who want relief from overcrowding at WS. In fact, one of the first questions was about only reducing WSHS from 112% capacity to 106% capacity and why they weren't able to get it down lower in scenario 4.

There are a couple of moms from the other side of WSHS in the areas closest to Lewis who have been posting online since the maps came out focusing on the other end of WSHS, how overcrowded WSHS is and how the Sangster/HV neighborhoods need to take one for the team.

They were not in favor of rezoning when they thought neighborhoods from the Daventry/Keene Mill end of WSHS might get pulled to Lewis.

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Anonymous wrote:The parent who made the bus comment was a white oaks parent. Not Sangster. I heard many people say LBSS is a great school it’s just not the middle school and HS experience they went for their student, which is a valid point. Please don’t lump all of together and make accusations like that.

Neither WO or Sangster parents threw any other neighborhoods under the bus with suggesting they “pick them” instead. I heard overwhelmingly that they consider slowing these decisions down and reexamine data. Perhaps voting on a partial county boundary change to allow more time with accurate data be examined in this area.

Someone is moving. Reid made that very clear. And if it’s not the Sangster split feeder and White Oaks attendance island then it will be West Springfield ES neighborhoods like Daventry, who will get returned to Lewis. Or sending Hunt Valley to Saratoga/Lewis or South County. Or maybe sending more of Orange Hunt to Sangster. Families are getting moved. It’s just a question of which ones.

I think this comment is to stoke the fires and spread more fear. It sounded like the community worked together last night to force more questions on data. I also hope it made Dr.Reid and the board to acknowledge how challenging this process has been for every member of the community.

Sandy Anderson has made it very clear the status quo won’t work. Current WSHS parents complain about overcrowding. SB and FCPS staff don’t care how challenging the process has been. Do you talk to any of them last night after the meeting? They are moving ahead with this. Someone is moving. The question is which neighborhood(s).

Why can't they pursue looking at detailed demographic projections at a more granular level, not moving anyone from another pyramid in, doing boundary checks, truly closing to transfers, moving German, etc.? We're not at WSHS, but all of those things should be common sense. Why is it not "first do no harm" instead of "spread the harm around to as many as possible for poorly thought-out reasons"?

Of course people will be upset about any redistricting that affects them, but it would be MUCH less upsetting if they made a more compelling case that accounts for reality.

To be fair, the vocal people are the ones getting moved or in danger of getting moved that want to stay at the school. There are also LOTS of people who want relief from overcrowding at WS. In fact, one of the first questions was about only reducing WSHS from 112% capacity to 106% capacity and why they weren't able to get it down lower in scenario 4.

Yes, I agree with you, and it's probably not resolvable with only the low hanging fruit, but it surprised me to hear how much low hanging fruit apparently hasn't been considered.

The Keene Mill Island and Sangster are the low hanging fruit.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.viennava.gov/files/2d6203ef-a555-4660-9d82-77b0cccf033e/10-27-2025-Town-Council-Opposes-School-Redistricting-Plan.pdf

Here’s the Town of Vienna announcement.

I have a feeling the recommendation will be withdrawn and Madison’s requests will be honored. However, the students being impacted spend K-8 in the Marshall pyramid (Westbriar/Kilmer), so to say they’re being pulled out of their community seems a bit overwrought, especially since the community in question is removed from the rest of the TOV by a giant golf course.

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Anonymous wrote:People who don’t understand the nuance of these neighborhoods don’t see the community both White oaks and Sangster parents are fighting for. A man with a house on the dividing line made it clear - his neighborhood is walkable for students to visit friends etc but moving him to LBSS makes most of his school. community across the parkway and Lee chapel, eliminating the community aspect. white oaks parents explained that their neighborhood is governed by 3 HOAS that would be split in strange ways, again eliminating the neighborhood community when the students go to different schools.

When these parents talk about community, it’s not the school it’s where their physical house is and the community they see daily, carpool with, walk to friends houses etc. but moving these schools they would no longer be part of that because the natural boundaries are the parkway - and kids aren’t crossing that alone to go play w a friend

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Community is walkable. Community is heading to the pools and seeing a friend. Community is meeting a friend and safely biking without crossing main roads.

And that entire communuty would get rezoned to Lake Braddock.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.viennava.gov/files/2d6203ef-a555-4660-9d82-77b0cccf033e/10-27-2025-Town-Council-Opposes-School-Redistricting-Plan.pdf

Here’s the Town of Vienna announcement.

Why should kids who live in Vienna be exempted from being moved around like everyone else, just because they live in Vienna?

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Anonymous wrote:i hear Saratoga Mom is showing up to Irving tonight to give Reid an earful about rezoning some of HVES to Saratoga/Key/Lewis

Well if she was there she didn’t ask a question. It was mostly pissed off White Oaks parents and Sangster parents who really dislike LBSS. One said LBSS middle schoolers get accosted on buses by HS students and are sexually harassed. It was wild.

It was not wild at all It was parents from many different schools voicing concerns for their children’s future. All done respectfully and with very good questions. I hope Reid heard the concerns - especially the questions about data and projected numbers and will take it to heart. I honestly felt more heard in that meeting than I have with SA and other members in previous conversations. But maybe Reid is just a better politician and better at making people feel like their comments are making an impact.

The wild reference wasn’t the whole night, that poster was referring to the negative comments about Lake Braddock….with the Lake Braddock principal there. That part was indeed wild and also awkward.

I’m the PP and yes, that’s what I meant. Sangster parents apparently believe LBSS is a crime-ridden dump where predatory seniors hit on 12 year old girls on the bus and in the halls and kids get hung on lockers and bullied. Sangster parents made it clear last night LBSS is really terrible. I guess it’s reputation as a good school is false.

My big take away is that Sangster and White Oak changes to close those split feeders and the attendance island will get reversed now. They’ll focus on areas that haven’t complained like Daventry and West Soringfield and reopen the changes they reversed from Scenario 3. Someone has to move and now it’s clear Sangster kids avoiding LBSS is the priority because the school is terrible and it’s 2 miles further away than WSHS. Most likely it means hundreds of kids will get moved to Lewis and South County.

West Soringfield neighborhoods are going to go to war with each other. I hope Racha and Sandy are pleased at what they’ve accomplished.

It wasn’t that dramatic I would say. A couple of people did mention that they have strong feelings about secondary schools in general. I think most people agree that LB is a great school. No one else said anything bad about it.

I spent 2+ hours listening to people complain about having to move to LBSS because it’s not part of their community (even though the rest of Sangster goes there) and how far away it is and how people want their babies to be babies and not surrounded by upper classmen. It sounds terrible. I’ve only been there for games and it looked okay to me but it sounds really bad with a lot of bullying and abuse towards 7th and 8th graders.

Honestly, that was one comment made by one parent and the entire rest of room thought it was cringe. The rest of the comments were thoughtful and reasonable. I was impressed by how White Oaks, Sangster, and HV parents all spoke with decorum. I also appreciated Dr. Reid staying far past ending time to finish questions. Tonight made me proud for the whole West Springfield community.

I wasn't bothered by that comment and my kid goes to LB. There are also LB kids who don't want to go to Irving because of Irving's reputation. All schools have good and bad. It's valid for someone not to want their 7th grader on the bus with 12th graders even if it's not everyone's priority.

I also thought Reid's response should have been thanks for your feedback and not basically gaslighting the commenter by trying to emotionally appeal to people and protect the principal's feelings. The principal doesn't know everything that goes on and Reid especially doesn't.

Irving kids are sexually active, experimenting with drugs and vapes, bullying kids, running amuk at the shopping center, and watching porn and violence on their phones too, just like the LBSS kids.

Hoing to a middle school vs a secondary school does not mean that the secondary kids have access to smart phones via the high school kids and the midfle school kids are tech free.

The high school boys at the secondary schools are NOT hitying on the 12 year old girls on the busses. These boys have grown up in the me too era with lots of training on how not to make girls uncomfortable. They are barely hitting in their high school classmates and wouldn't touch middle school girls with a 20 foot pole. Heck, they will rarely date girls 2 or 2 grades younger than them. This is not your 80s teen boys.

That parent's comments sounded as if tgey were a parent of very young children who did not have much experience with teenagers and middle school kids. It was well intended, but based on stereotypes a kindergarten parent would have about teenagers.

You're complaining about stereotypes when your last 2 paragraphs are full of them.

I didn't say Irving doesn't have issues. My child knows students there who have mentioned concerning issues. Same as LBSS. However, it's a fact that if you're riding a bus with only 7th and 8th graders you can't get hit on or bullied by high schoolers. That mom is allowed to want to protect her kid from that.

My LBSS MS student hangs out with high schoolers from their bus after school. In fact they don't walk around with any middle schoolers. Their 7th and 8th grade friends are on different buses and don't know high schoolers personally. The high schoolers comment on my kid's maturity compared to other middle schoolers. That's both a good and bad thing and not everyone's cup of tea. It doesn't mean you can pretend it away.