Fairfax County Double Murder

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Anonymous wrote:This wasn’t planned. Something went really wrong that day and it all developed into this that we’re seeing.
Had that all been planned, the AP would also shut up instead of being interrogated for 8 hours that day.

But if it wasn’t planned, why would BB be paying for the Au pair’s attorney? If this was unplanned and she freaked out and shot a man dead, he should be talking to the cops and turning on her so quick to clear himself.

(I don’t know for sure he’s footing the bill for her attorney but someone is and the AP’s mom said it wasn’t their family, so…).

Because it’s their fault she’s involved in this.
And also, because they became lovers after he lost his wife and she was the only woman around taking care of him and the kid.

And she didn’t know enough to shut up? If he planned something, he would tell her to shut up.

Not saying they’re angels. Just saying I don’t think this was planned as the guesses here. Way too much work and risk.

Wait, you think he’s footing her bill because he feels bad she got caught up and all this!? Meanwhile he won’t even let his in-laws have access to his daughter? That math ain’t adding up.

And because they’re in a relationship after all.

I do believe there in laws do not agree with this relationship and are suspicious of him/them.

Mama Banfield steps in, everyone argues and relationships are cut. After all, he’s probably using the narrative that Christine cheated on him.

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Anonymous wrote:Do most intruders park in your driveway like they own the place? Would seem hard to make a getaway quickly parked in someone’s driveway and tucked in area of a neighborhood.

Not to mention if you know the DH is in LE, one would likely assume there were cameras everywhere even if they told him there weren't.

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Anonymous wrote:This wasn’t planned. Something went really wrong that day and it all developed into this that we’re seeing.
Had that all been planned, the AP would also shut up instead of being interrogated for 8 hours that day.

I don't totally agree with you, however you do make a good point about the AP and her speaking to the police for 8 hours.

I think there was a bad plan that devolved into the Cluster F that has been reported.

The AP certainly hurt her case by speaking to the police. I'll posit if she had simply STFU, her and BB could still be playing house. The public and police would be super frustrated but without her statements the DA likely wouldn't feel he/she could prove a crime against herbrd. The DA doesn't currently feel like they its case against BB.

RE BB not speaking to police:

Most, if not all, LE are trained not to speak to anyone immediately following a use of force event.

I also think that if BB was innocent, like for real innocent, he and his attorney(s) would have sat down for an interview with police.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the biggest difference between posters here is that people who know BB think he may have done it, but may not have; and people who knew JR and the majority of people on these forums know for a "fact" BB is guilty.

I'm a friend of BB, the one whose posts got deleted a few months ago for mentioning BB's daughters name. I still lurk, just don't post.

I can confirm BB went to McDonald's often, and he was a tech nerd who loved to show off his toys (phones, teslas, etc). He also enjoyed listening and learning about your new gadgetry. As a guy, we just generally like techy stuff.

After CB's death, the entire bedroom had to be rebuilt. To stay busy BB also remodeled his bathroom (I think by himself).

To the best of my understanding he is still getting paid by the IRS and he has taken up a handful of gig jobs to stay busy. The gig jobs also explain the speeding tickets, as one of the jobs was doing uber/lyft, etc. It probably does mean he's under tremendous LEO scrutiny and they are most certainly observing/watching him to lock him up.

The first phone call came from the basement, not the bedroom, and it was the second call where you can hear Joe in the background. I imagine BB asked AP to get the second gun so she could keep it pointed at JR while he administered aid to CB.

CB and BB were in open relationships, I don't know anything about c*cking, but I can confirm for 10 years through mutual friends that they have both been unfaithful. So it should be no surprise that CB was on some sites. Fetish sites though? I don't know, she seemed pretty vanilla but you never know what gets people off in the bedroom.

Getting a new phone and going to a gun range are very normal things for BB to do. Bringing the AP with? Maybe because he was having an affair, maybe she just wanted to learn to shoot, who knows. Maybe it was to get her to train to kill.

Now, all that being said, I still am very on the fence about if he did this or not. There is a part of me that thinks he did, because why would he bring AP/daughter into the house? But besides that, the timeline seems somewhat realistic to me.

BB gets a phone call from AP about an unknown car in the driveway and CB is not answering. He goes home, and tries to assess if CB is with another person. AP calls police, but doesn't know if anything is wrong and hangs up. When he goes inside the bedroom all pets are off. According the bond hearing AP heard BB screaming put the knife down and she ran to the bedroom.

All of this seems plausible, but I don't know the motive from JR, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. Doesn't mean it wasn't setup from BB or, maybe, AP set the entire thing up.

Let's say AP wanted to get CB & BB divorced, and didn't know that CB was also (knowingly to BB) having affairs. Maybe she is psychotic and thought somehow, given that everybody knows that BB is extremely protective over his family and was a LEO, maybe he'd draw his gun on someone with a knife to his wife which would put an entire scenario on red alert. Maybe it was never her intention to get someone killed, maybe it was to get them divorced in some sick, twisted, stupid manner.

The truth is we don't know what happened. BB isn't saying anything, which is what his lawyer told him to do day 1. "Don't say anything to anyone"

If CB and BB were knowingly to each other in open relationships why did BB react so suspiciously to a strange car in front of his house? Why wouldn’t he just assume that CB had a friend over and tell the AP not to worry about it.

Something about that has been bothering me too. If my husband/or I came home and saw a car in our driveway we'd think there was someone doing something in the house- like a repair, etc. I wouldn't freak out as my first thought. Especially for Juliana to have that reaction, its not her home/she's an employee - so why was she so triggered by seeing someone go into the home. There was no forced entry, so wouldn't she have thought it was someone her employer knew and mind her own business? Anyway this part of the story is a little strange to me.

If the plan had been for the AP to take the kid to the zoo and mom’s plan was to enjoy peace and quiet/alone time and/or there were no planned visitors, I could see why the appearance of an unknown car in the driveway might trigger alarm bells.

At 8am? To me that would not be unusual. Late at night would be different.

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Anonymous wrote:This wasn’t planned. Something went really wrong that day and it all developed into this that we’re seeing.
Had that all been planned, the AP would also shut up instead of being interrogated for 8 hours that day.

I don't totally agree with you, however you do make a good point about the AP and her speaking to the police for 8 hours.

I think there was a bad plan that devolved into the Cluster F that has been reported.

The AP certainly hurt her case by speaking to the police. I'll posit if she had simply STFU, her and BB could still be playing house. The public and police would be super frustrated but without her statements the DA likely wouldn't feel he/she could prove a crime against herbrd. The DA doesn't currently feel like they its case against BB.

RE BB not speaking to police:

Most, if not all, LE are trained not to speak to anyone immediately following a use of force event.

I also think that if BB was innocent, like for real innocent, he and his attorney(s) would have sat down for an interview with police.

THIS.

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I mean, unplanned makes the most sense. Just a sexy rendezvous gone wrong.

But to get to that conclusion, JR has to have some crazy psychotic break. A normal person caught in flagrante delicto would’ve dropped the knife and said “hey man, sorry, your wife is cheating on you and I’m going to get out of here”. And at the same time, you have the Au pair also acting wildly abnormal by abandoning a child to bust in a room with guns and knives out. Weird.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, unplanned makes the most sense. Just a sexy rendezvous gone wrong.

But to get to that conclusion, JR has to have some crazy psychotic break. A normal person caught in flagrante delicto would’ve dropped the knife and said “hey man, sorry, your wife is cheating on you and I’m going to get out of here”. And at the same time, you have the Au pair also acting wildly abnormal by abandoning a child to bust in a room with guns and knives out. Weird.

“Psychotic breaks” are really not a thing. It’s something in fiction books and movies.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, unplanned makes the most sense. Just a sexy rendezvous gone wrong.

But to get to that conclusion, JR has to have some crazy psychotic break. A normal person caught in flagrante delicto would’ve dropped the knife and said “hey man, sorry, your wife is cheating on you and I’m going to get out of here”. And at the same time, you have the Au pair also acting wildly abnormal by abandoning a child to bust in a room with guns and knives out. Weird.

“Psychotic breaks” are really not a thing. It’s something in fiction books and movies.

Well I don’t know what you’d call it… but to believe the Au pair’s story, we have to believe that JR set this whole thing up, parked his car right there in the driveway, told others about it, and at some point decided to stab CB. That just doesn’t make sense unless he temporarily lost his mind or something!

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OR. BB held a gun to JR and told him to stab Christine.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the biggest difference between posters here is that people who know BB think he may have done it, but may not have; and people who knew JR and the majority of people on these forums know for a "fact" BB is guilty.

I'm a friend of BB, the one whose posts got deleted a few months ago for mentioning BB's daughters name. I still lurk, just don't post.

I can confirm BB went to McDonald's often, and he was a tech nerd who loved to show off his toys (phones, teslas, etc). He also enjoyed listening and learning about your new gadgetry. As a guy, we just generally like techy stuff.

After CB's death, the entire bedroom had to be rebuilt. To stay busy BB also remodeled his bathroom (I think by himself).

To the best of my understanding he is still getting paid by the IRS and he has taken up a handful of gig jobs to stay busy. The gig jobs also explain the speeding tickets, as one of the jobs was doing uber/lyft, etc. It probably does mean he's under tremendous LEO scrutiny and they are most certainly observing/watching him to lock him up.

The first phone call came from the basement, not the bedroom, and it was the second call where you can hear Joe in the background. I imagine BB asked AP to get the second gun so she could keep it pointed at JR while he administered aid to CB.

CB and BB were in open relationships, I don't know anything about c*cking, but I can confirm for 10 years through mutual friends that they have both been unfaithful. So it should be no surprise that CB was on some sites. Fetish sites though? I don't know, she seemed pretty vanilla but you never know what gets people off in the bedroom.

Getting a new phone and going to a gun range are very normal things for BB to do. Bringing the AP with? Maybe because he was having an affair, maybe she just wanted to learn to shoot, who knows. Maybe it was to get her to train to kill.

Now, all that being said, I still am very on the fence about if he did this or not. There is a part of me that thinks he did, because why would he bring AP/daughter into the house? But besides that, the timeline seems somewhat realistic to me.

BB gets a phone call from AP about an unknown car in the driveway and CB is not answering. He goes home, and tries to assess if CB is with another person. AP calls police, but doesn't know if anything is wrong and hangs up. When he goes inside the bedroom all pets are off. According the bond hearing AP heard BB screaming put the knife down and she ran to the bedroom.

All of this seems plausible, but I don't know the motive from JR, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. Doesn't mean it wasn't setup from BB or, maybe, AP set the entire thing up.

Let's say AP wanted to get CB & BB divorced, and didn't know that CB was also (knowingly to BB) having affairs. Maybe she is psychotic and thought somehow, given that everybody knows that BB is extremely protective over his family and was a LEO, maybe he'd draw his gun on someone with a knife to his wife which would put an entire scenario on red alert. Maybe it was never her intention to get someone killed, maybe it was to get them divorced in some sick, twisted, stupid manner.

The truth is we don't know what happened. BB isn't saying anything, which is what his lawyer told him to do day 1. "Don't say anything to anyone"

If CB and BB were knowingly to each other in open relationships why did BB react so suspiciously to a strange car in front of his house? Why wouldn’t he just assume that CB had a friend over and tell the AP not to worry about it.

Something about that has been bothering me too. If my husband/or I came home and saw a car in our driveway we'd think there was someone doing something in the house- like a repair, etc. I wouldn't freak out as my first thought. Especially for Juliana to have that reaction, its not her home/she's an employee - so why was she so triggered by seeing someone go into the home. There was no forced entry, so wouldn't she have thought it was someone her employer knew and mind her own business? Anyway this part of the story is a little strange to me.

If the plan had been for the AP to take the kid to the zoo and mom’s plan was to enjoy peace and quiet/alone time and/or there were no planned visitors, I could see why the appearance of an unknown car in the driveway might trigger alarm bells.

You think an AP knows about every visitor, vendor, etc who comes to their employers home?

Imagine the scene- Joe's car was IN the driveway. Not around the block, hidden, etc. In plain site of everyone, cameras, etc. AP claims she saw him enter the home. He didn't sneak in a back door, windows or try to break in. He walked in obviously knowing it was unlocked. I don't think any of this is enough to sound alarm bells and need to call a husband who isn't even home.

I think it’s not unreasonable that after a year, an AP would be kept in the loop as to whom may or may not be expected to be coming to the house at any given time.

Of course, but also seems unreasonable for her to think it was an intruder when nothing pointed toward that. And if as claimed, both partners openly had side flings, wouldn’t BB have just brushed her off like oh don’t worry about it you guys just head to the zoo and buy lunch there.

This. No one would think an intruder at 8 am and he left his car. They would at worst think affair partner.

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Anonymous wrote:OR. BB held a gun to JR and told him to stab Christine.

Ohh, I hadn’t even thought of that one.
I still think BB did the stabbing then changed his shirt.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that my first thought also wouldn't be danger/home invasion. If only a short time had elapsed from AP and the child leaving the house, to returning, it would be strange to see a car there - it's early in the morning, maybe CB herself was still getting ready.. if i was the AP I would feel uncertain, so calling CB then BB seems pretty understandable. If BB suspected affair going on, makes sense he goes in. As for the child, maybe AP and her entered because she didn't want to be left outside, was tired, wanted to see her mommy again etc? Any number of reasons.. it may not "look smart" but that doesn't mean anything. If this was all part of the plan I highly doubt BB would want his own child to come in and possibly witness it or get hurt accidentally.. so them going into the house just feels like more of genuine concern/curiosity who was at the house and why. As for the AP going to help BB when she heard shouts - panic, shock and fear would erase rationality of taking child out of house. It's very possible she thought she could help and told the child to stay put. Same with BB telling her to get other gun - if he was in shock over the scene and he's shot once, now rushing to CB's aid, I can understand him saying that so a gun is kept pointed at JR since he's still alive.

First hang up was from basement/au pair suite per his friend posting. Maybe the child was locked downstairs to prevent her walking in on a sexual or criminal "scene?"

Per 2 people on this board who were at the hearing in person, the hangup call had a man moaning in agony in the background so... not sure the "friend" has/is giving all the facts.

There was more than 1 call to 911, it's in most of the news articles. Makes sense 1st hang up was from au pair suite as that is likely where the child was stashed.

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Anonymous wrote:OR. BB held a gun to JR and told him to stab Christine.

Ohh, I hadn’t even thought of that one.
I still think BB did the stabbing then changed his shirt.

He'd be covered with blood from "rendering aid" for the delayed period before 911 was called. Not sure you can differentiate that from covered in blood from stabbing. I also think far more likely that BB did stabbing.

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Anonymous wrote:This wasn’t planned. Something went really wrong that day and it all developed into this that we’re seeing.
Had that all been planned, the AP would also shut up instead of being interrogated for 8 hours that day.

But if it wasn’t planned, why would BB be paying for the Au pair’s attorney? If this was unplanned and she freaked out and shot a man dead, he should be talking to the cops and turning on her so quick to clear himself.

(I don’t know for sure he’s footing the bill for her attorney but someone is and the AP’s mom said it wasn’t their family, so…).

Because it’s their fault she’s involved in this.
And also, because they became lovers after he lost his wife and she was the only woman around taking care of him and the kid.

And she didn’t know enough to shut up? If he planned something, he would tell her to shut up.

Not saying they’re angels. Just saying I don’t think this was planned as the guesses here. Way too much work and risk.

Wait, you think he’s footing her bill because he feels bad she got caught up and all this!? Meanwhile he won’t even let his in-laws have access to his daughter? That math ain’t adding up.

And because they’re in a relationship after all.

I do believe there in laws do not agree with this relationship and are suspicious of him/them.

Mama Banfield steps in, everyone argues and relationships are cut. After all, he’s probably using the narrative that Christine cheated on him.

It's in his interest that AP have a good lawyer, at least unless/until he throws her under the bus.

The ILs had to be cut out lest they see the photos and them playing house. Posts elsewhere now deleted described the tone at the funeral as chilly.