Fairfax County Double Murder

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Anonymous wrote:Prayers for that little girl. Her daddy ruined her life all for what? Some nasty AP booty and saving $ in a divorce?

I bet she is so alone. No one wants a play date with the murderer’s kid.

That poor child, it's so tragic how isolated she must be. BB is one sick pup to do this to his child.

Mommy is gone and she has lost so many people she loves, including her prior AP. Eventually he will be incarcerated and she will basically be an orphan. Smh.

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Anonymous wrote:This wasn’t planned. Something went really wrong that day and it all developed into this that we’re seeing.
Had that all been planned, the AP would also shut up instead of being interrogated for 8 hours that day.

And if it was planned, no way the husband would have involved the nanny. Too unnecessarily complicated and adds a witness/participant with obvious coercive potential given her immigrant status. If this was his plan, far easier to execute on his own.

Nah, they planned it together, like Bonnie and Clyde, FOB as the soundtrack. Last of the Real Ones. She had skin in the game, that was the insurance.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that my first thought also wouldn't be danger/home invasion. If only a short time had elapsed from AP and the child leaving the house, to returning, it would be strange to see a car there - it's early in the morning, maybe CB herself was still getting ready.. if i was the AP I would feel uncertain, so calling CB then BB seems pretty understandable. If BB suspected affair going on, makes sense he goes in. As for the child, maybe AP and her entered because she didn't want to be left outside, was tired, wanted to see her mommy again etc? Any number of reasons.. it may not "look smart" but that doesn't mean anything. If this was all part of the plan I highly doubt BB would want his own child to come in and possibly witness it or get hurt accidentally.. so them going into the house just feels like more of genuine concern/curiosity who was at the house and why. As for the AP going to help BB when she heard shouts - panic, shock and fear would erase rationality of taking child out of house. It's very possible she thought she could help and told the child to stay put. Same with BB telling her to get other gun - if he was in shock over the scene and he's shot once, now rushing to CB's aid, I can understand him saying that so a gun is kept pointed at JR since he's still alive.

First hang up was from basement/au pair suite per his friend posting. Maybe the child was locked downstairs to prevent her walking in on a sexual or criminal "scene?"

Per 2 people on this board who were at the hearing in person, the hangup call had a man moaning in agony in the background so... not sure the "friend" has/is giving all the facts.

There was more than 1 call to 911, it's in most of the news articles. Makes sense 1st hang up was from au pair suite as that is likely where the child was stashed.

Are you saying there were 2 hang ups? Multiple attendees to Mondays hearing said there was a man moaning in pain during a hangup call.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the biggest difference between posters here is that people who know BB think he may have done it, but may not have; and people who knew JR and the majority of people on these forums know for a "fact" BB is guilty.

I'm a friend of BB, the one whose posts got deleted a few months ago for mentioning BB's daughters name. I still lurk, just don't post.

I can confirm BB went to McDonald's often, and he was a tech nerd who loved to show off his toys (phones, teslas, etc). He also enjoyed listening and learning about your new gadgetry. As a guy, we just generally like techy stuff.

After CB's death, the entire bedroom had to be rebuilt. To stay busy BB also remodeled his bathroom (I think by himself).

To the best of my understanding he is still getting paid by the IRS and he has taken up a handful of gig jobs to stay busy. The gig jobs also explain the speeding tickets, as one of the jobs was doing uber/lyft, etc. It probably does mean he's under tremendous LEO scrutiny and they are most certainly observing/watching him to lock him up.

The first phone call came from the basement, not the bedroom, and it was the second call where you can hear Joe in the background. I imagine BB asked AP to get the second gun so she could keep it pointed at JR while he administered aid to CB.

CB and BB were in open relationships, I don't know anything about c*cking, but I can confirm for 10 years through mutual friends that they have both been unfaithful. So it should be no surprise that CB was on some sites. Fetish sites though? I don't know, she seemed pretty vanilla but you never know what gets people off in the bedroom.

Getting a new phone and going to a gun range are very normal things for BB to do. Bringing the AP with? Maybe because he was having an affair, maybe she just wanted to learn to shoot, who knows. Maybe it was to get her to train to kill.

Now, all that being said, I still am very on the fence about if he did this or not. There is a part of me that thinks he did, because why would he bring AP/daughter into the house? But besides that, the timeline seems somewhat realistic to me.

BB gets a phone call from AP about an unknown car in the driveway and CB is not answering. He goes home, and tries to assess if CB is with another person. AP calls police, but doesn't know if anything is wrong and hangs up. When he goes inside the bedroom all pets are off. According the bond hearing AP heard BB screaming put the knife down and she ran to the bedroom.

All of this seems plausible, but I don't know the motive from JR, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. Doesn't mean it wasn't setup from BB or, maybe, AP set the entire thing up.

Let's say AP wanted to get CB & BB divorced, and didn't know that CB was also (knowingly to BB) having affairs. Maybe she is psychotic and thought somehow, given that everybody knows that BB is extremely protective over his family and was a LEO, maybe he'd draw his gun on someone with a knife to his wife which would put an entire scenario on red alert. Maybe it was never her intention to get someone killed, maybe it was to get them divorced in some sick, twisted, stupid manner.

The truth is we don't know what happened. BB isn't saying anything, which is what his lawyer told him to do day 1. "Don't say anything to anyone"

If CB and BB were knowingly to each other in open relationships why did BB react so suspiciously to a strange car in front of his house? Why wouldn’t he just assume that CB had a friend over and tell the AP not to worry about it.

Something about that has been bothering me too. If my husband/or I came home and saw a car in our driveway we'd think there was someone doing something in the house- like a repair, etc. I wouldn't freak out as my first thought. Especially for Juliana to have that reaction, its not her home/she's an employee - so why was she so triggered by seeing someone go into the home. There was no forced entry, so wouldn't she have thought it was someone her employer knew and mind her own business? Anyway this part of the story is a little strange to me.

If the plan had been for the AP to take the kid to the zoo and mom’s plan was to enjoy peace and quiet/alone time and/or there were no planned visitors, I could see why the appearance of an unknown car in the driveway might trigger alarm bells.

You think an AP knows about every visitor, vendor, etc who comes to their employers home?

Imagine the scene- Joe's car was IN the driveway. Not around the block, hidden, etc. In plain site of everyone, cameras, etc. AP claims she saw him enter the home. He didn't sneak in a back door, windows or try to break in. He walked in obviously knowing it was unlocked. I don't think any of this is enough to sound alarm bells and need to call a husband who isn't even home.

Makes no sense.

If she is convicted and serves time is there any way she can avoid deportation?

She is throwing her own life away, for what exactly? Flipping, taking a plea less time served and going home would seem to be the best course for her imo. Her mom gave an interview, wonder if her dad is in the picture? Hard to see why she is willing to do this for BB, has to be about her psychology too that he has this hold, still. The treats me like a "princess" bit was over the top too.

If she disliked Christine BB could build on that. But to this point?

Given how good flipping would be for her, the fact that she hasn't indeed suggests more of a conspiracy. I could totally see a young, scared girl in jail in a foreign country saying anything to get home (even if that was to make up a story about her employer).

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Anonymous wrote:I think the biggest difference between posters here is that people who know BB think he may have done it, but may not have; and people who knew JR and the majority of people on these forums know for a "fact" BB is guilty.

I'm a friend of BB, the one whose posts got deleted a few months ago for mentioning BB's daughters name. I still lurk, just don't post.

I can confirm BB went to McDonald's often, and he was a tech nerd who loved to show off his toys (phones, teslas, etc). He also enjoyed listening and learning about your new gadgetry. As a guy, we just generally like techy stuff.

After CB's death, the entire bedroom had to be rebuilt. To stay busy BB also remodeled his bathroom (I think by himself).

To the best of my understanding he is still getting paid by the IRS and he has taken up a handful of gig jobs to stay busy. The gig jobs also explain the speeding tickets, as one of the jobs was doing uber/lyft, etc. It probably does mean he's under tremendous LEO scrutiny and they are most certainly observing/watching him to lock him up.

The first phone call came from the basement, not the bedroom, and it was the second call where you can hear Joe in the background. I imagine BB asked AP to get the second gun so she could keep it pointed at JR while he administered aid to CB.

CB and BB were in open relationships, I don't know anything about c*cking, but I can confirm for 10 years through mutual friends that they have both been unfaithful. So it should be no surprise that CB was on some sites. Fetish sites though? I don't know, she seemed pretty vanilla but you never know what gets people off in the bedroom.

Getting a new phone and going to a gun range are very normal things for BB to do. Bringing the AP with? Maybe because he was having an affair, maybe she just wanted to learn to shoot, who knows. Maybe it was to get her to train to kill.

Now, all that being said, I still am very on the fence about if he did this or not. There is a part of me that thinks he did, because why would he bring AP/daughter into the house? But besides that, the timeline seems somewhat realistic to me.

BB gets a phone call from AP about an unknown car in the driveway and CB is not answering. He goes home, and tries to assess if CB is with another person. AP calls police, but doesn't know if anything is wrong and hangs up. When he goes inside the bedroom all pets are off. According the bond hearing AP heard BB screaming put the knife down and she ran to the bedroom.

All of this seems plausible, but I don't know the motive from JR, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. Doesn't mean it wasn't setup from BB or, maybe, AP set the entire thing up.

Let's say AP wanted to get CB & BB divorced, and didn't know that CB was also (knowingly to BB) having affairs. Maybe she is psychotic and thought somehow, given that everybody knows that BB is extremely protective over his family and was a LEO, maybe he'd draw his gun on someone with a knife to his wife which would put an entire scenario on red alert. Maybe it was never her intention to get someone killed, maybe it was to get them divorced in some sick, twisted, stupid manner.

The truth is we don't know what happened. BB isn't saying anything, which is what his lawyer told him to do day 1. "Don't say anything to anyone"

If CB and BB were knowingly to each other in open relationships why did BB react so suspiciously to a strange car in front of his house? Why wouldn’t he just assume that CB had a friend over and tell the AP not to worry about it.

Something about that has been bothering me too. If my husband/or I came home and saw a car in our driveway we'd think there was someone doing something in the house- like a repair, etc. I wouldn't freak out as my first thought. Especially for Juliana to have that reaction, its not her home/she's an employee - so why was she so triggered by seeing someone go into the home. There was no forced entry, so wouldn't she have thought it was someone her employer knew and mind her own business? Anyway this part of the story is a little strange to me.

Agree.

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If this was unplanned, that means the Au pair shot and killed an intruder and watched her host mom bleed to death. Do you know how traumatic that would be to a 21 year old, in a foreign country to boot?

Anyone else would go straight to the Au pair agency and demand they send them home asap. Yet this Au pair continues working in this home, shacking up with her host dad. She is built different.

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Anonymous wrote:If this was unplanned, that means the Au pair shot and killed an intruder and watched her host mom bleed to death. Do you know how traumatic that would be to a 21 year old, in a foreign country to boot?

Anyone else would go straight to the Au pair agency and demand they send them home asap. Yet this Au pair continues working in this home, shacking up with her host dad. She is built different.

And sleeping in the same room it all went down in.

I bet they got off on that. Nasty piece of trash couple.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the biggest difference between posters here is that people who know BB think he may have done it, but may not have; and people who knew JR and the majority of people on these forums know for a "fact" BB is guilty.

I'm a friend of BB, the one whose posts got deleted a few months ago for mentioning BB's daughters name. I still lurk, just don't post.

I can confirm BB went to McDonald's often, and he was a tech nerd who loved to show off his toys (phones, teslas, etc). He also enjoyed listening and learning about your new gadgetry. As a guy, we just generally like techy stuff.

After CB's death, the entire bedroom had to be rebuilt. To stay busy BB also remodeled his bathroom (I think by himself).

To the best of my understanding he is still getting paid by the IRS and he has taken up a handful of gig jobs to stay busy. The gig jobs also explain the speeding tickets, as one of the jobs was doing uber/lyft, etc. It probably does mean he's under tremendous LEO scrutiny and they are most certainly observing/watching him to lock him up.

The first phone call came from the basement, not the bedroom, and it was the second call where you can hear Joe in the background. I imagine BB asked AP to get the second gun so she could keep it pointed at JR while he administered aid to CB.

CB and BB were in open relationships, I don't know anything about c*cking, but I can confirm for 10 years through mutual friends that they have both been unfaithful. So it should be no surprise that CB was on some sites. Fetish sites though? I don't know, she seemed pretty vanilla but you never know what gets people off in the bedroom.

Getting a new phone and going to a gun range are very normal things for BB to do. Bringing the AP with? Maybe because he was having an affair, maybe she just wanted to learn to shoot, who knows. Maybe it was to get her to train to kill.

Now, all that being said, I still am very on the fence about if he did this or not. There is a part of me that thinks he did, because why would he bring AP/daughter into the house? But besides that, the timeline seems somewhat realistic to me.

BB gets a phone call from AP about an unknown car in the driveway and CB is not answering. He goes home, and tries to assess if CB is with another person. AP calls police, but doesn't know if anything is wrong and hangs up. When he goes inside the bedroom all pets are off. According the bond hearing AP heard BB screaming put the knife down and she ran to the bedroom.

All of this seems plausible, but I don't know the motive from JR, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. Doesn't mean it wasn't setup from BB or, maybe, AP set the entire thing up.

Let's say AP wanted to get CB & BB divorced, and didn't know that CB was also (knowingly to BB) having affairs. Maybe she is psychotic and thought somehow, given that everybody knows that BB is extremely protective over his family and was a LEO, maybe he'd draw his gun on someone with a knife to his wife which would put an entire scenario on red alert. Maybe it was never her intention to get someone killed, maybe it was to get them divorced in some sick, twisted, stupid manner.

The truth is we don't know what happened. BB isn't saying anything, which is what his lawyer told him to do day 1. "Don't say anything to anyone"

If CB and BB were knowingly to each other in open relationships why did BB react so suspiciously to a strange car in front of his house? Why wouldn’t he just assume that CB had a friend over and tell the AP not to worry about it.

Something about that has been bothering me too. If my husband/or I came home and saw a car in our driveway we'd think there was someone doing something in the house- like a repair, etc. I wouldn't freak out as my first thought. Especially for Juliana to have that reaction, its not her home/she's an employee - so why was she so triggered by seeing someone go into the home. There was no forced entry, so wouldn't she have thought it was someone her employer knew and mind her own business? Anyway this part of the story is a little strange to me.

It doesn't make a lot of sense, like retrieving and firing a second gun when LE BB had a loaded one in his hand, or taking a preschooler into what your thought was a crime in progress and leaving her alone.

Yeah ... if BB had a loaded gun in his hands, and thought that JR had grievously injured CB... why wouldn't BB either (1) kill the person who had attacked his wife, and (2) give his loaded gun (ready to go) to AP to hold and point toward JR if BB was so busy "rendering aid" to CB?

If BB was so busy trying to "save" CB, then he must have set his gun down to work on her. So, it would have been a lot easier and more efficient for BB to hand his gun over to AP.

Of course, we all know that BB did not lock his gun safe that morning. AP did not have to fiddle with the combination lock. The safe was left open so that AP would be able to quickly retrieve the gun and shoot JR -- so that she would have some culpability in the crime too. There's no way someone who is not familiar with combination locks (spin right three times, then find the number, spin left past zero twice and find the number, spin right to the last number) is going to open that safe in 30 seconds and get a gun. No way. The safe must have been unlocked.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the biggest difference between posters here is that people who know BB think he may have done it, but may not have; and people who knew JR and the majority of people on these forums know for a "fact" BB is guilty.

I'm a friend of BB, the one whose posts got deleted a few months ago for mentioning BB's daughters name. I still lurk, just don't post.

I can confirm BB went to McDonald's often, and he was a tech nerd who loved to show off his toys (phones, teslas, etc). He also enjoyed listening and learning about your new gadgetry. As a guy, we just generally like techy stuff.

After CB's death, the entire bedroom had to be rebuilt. To stay busy BB also remodeled his bathroom (I think by himself).

To the best of my understanding he is still getting paid by the IRS and he has taken up a handful of gig jobs to stay busy. The gig jobs also explain the speeding tickets, as one of the jobs was doing uber/lyft, etc. It probably does mean he's under tremendous LEO scrutiny and they are most certainly observing/watching him to lock him up.

The first phone call came from the basement, not the bedroom, and it was the second call where you can hear Joe in the background. I imagine BB asked AP to get the second gun so she could keep it pointed at JR while he administered aid to CB.

CB and BB were in open relationships, I don't know anything about c*cking, but I can confirm for 10 years through mutual friends that they have both been unfaithful. So it should be no surprise that CB was on some sites. Fetish sites though? I don't know, she seemed pretty vanilla but you never know what gets people off in the bedroom.

Getting a new phone and going to a gun range are very normal things for BB to do. Bringing the AP with? Maybe because he was having an affair, maybe she just wanted to learn to shoot, who knows. Maybe it was to get her to train to kill.

Now, all that being said, I still am very on the fence about if he did this or not. There is a part of me that thinks he did, because why would he bring AP/daughter into the house? But besides that, the timeline seems somewhat realistic to me.

BB gets a phone call from AP about an unknown car in the driveway and CB is not answering. He goes home, and tries to assess if CB is with another person. AP calls police, but doesn't know if anything is wrong and hangs up. When he goes inside the bedroom all pets are off. According the bond hearing AP heard BB screaming put the knife down and she ran to the bedroom.

All of this seems plausible, but I don't know the motive from JR, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. Doesn't mean it wasn't setup from BB or, maybe, AP set the entire thing up.

Let's say AP wanted to get CB & BB divorced, and didn't know that CB was also (knowingly to BB) having affairs. Maybe she is psychotic and thought somehow, given that everybody knows that BB is extremely protective over his family and was a LEO, maybe he'd draw his gun on someone with a knife to his wife which would put an entire scenario on red alert. Maybe it was never her intention to get someone killed, maybe it was to get them divorced in some sick, twisted, stupid manner.

The truth is we don't know what happened. BB isn't saying anything, which is what his lawyer told him to do day 1. "Don't say anything to anyone"

If CB and BB were knowingly to each other in open relationships why did BB react so suspiciously to a strange car in front of his house? Why wouldn’t he just assume that CB had a friend over and tell the AP not to worry about it.

Something about that has been bothering me too. If my husband/or I came home and saw a car in our driveway we'd think there was someone doing something in the house- like a repair, etc. I wouldn't freak out as my first thought. Especially for Juliana to have that reaction, its not her home/she's an employee - so why was she so triggered by seeing someone go into the home. There was no forced entry, so wouldn't she have thought it was someone her employer knew and mind her own business? Anyway this part of the story is a little strange to me.

If the plan had been for the AP to take the kid to the zoo and mom’s plan was to enjoy peace and quiet/alone time and/or there were no planned visitors, I could see why the appearance of an unknown car in the driveway might trigger alarm bells.

You think an AP knows about every visitor, vendor, etc who comes to their employers home?

Imagine the scene- Joe's car was IN the driveway. Not around the block, hidden, etc. In plain site of everyone, cameras, etc. AP claims she saw him enter the home. He didn't sneak in a back door, windows or try to break in. He walked in obviously knowing it was unlocked. I don't think any of this is enough to sound alarm bells and need to call a husband who isn't even home.

I think it’s not unreasonable that after a year, an AP would be kept in the loop as to whom may or may not be expected to be coming to the house at any given time.

Not when she is expected to be in DC for hours.

Do we know if AP and the child were supposed to be going to the NATIONAL ZOO? Or were they going to the Reston Zoo/NovaWild? Driving into DC from Herndon at 8:00 a.m. on a weekday is not an easy drive. Was she that familiar with driving in DC? I could see her going to NovaWild or Frying Pan Park... but actually, NovaWild didn't open until 10:00 a.m. So that doesn't fit.

Didn't someone say something about buying tickets for the zoo? You don't need tickets to go to the National Zoo, right? And you don't need tickets for Frying PAn Park (which is just around the corner from their house). You just walk in. You do need tickets for Reston Zoo/aka NovaWild... but they aren't open that early. Hmmm.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the biggest difference between posters here is that people who know BB think he may have done it, but may not have; and people who knew JR and the majority of people on these forums know for a "fact" BB is guilty.

I'm a friend of BB, the one whose posts got deleted a few months ago for mentioning BB's daughters name. I still lurk, just don't post.

I can confirm BB went to McDonald's often, and he was a tech nerd who loved to show off his toys (phones, teslas, etc). He also enjoyed listening and learning about your new gadgetry. As a guy, we just generally like techy stuff.

After CB's death, the entire bedroom had to be rebuilt. To stay busy BB also remodeled his bathroom (I think by himself).

To the best of my understanding he is still getting paid by the IRS and he has taken up a handful of gig jobs to stay busy. The gig jobs also explain the speeding tickets, as one of the jobs was doing uber/lyft, etc. It probably does mean he's under tremendous LEO scrutiny and they are most certainly observing/watching him to lock him up.

The first phone call came from the basement, not the bedroom, and it was the second call where you can hear Joe in the background. I imagine BB asked AP to get the second gun so she could keep it pointed at JR while he administered aid to CB.

CB and BB were in open relationships, I don't know anything about c*cking, but I can confirm for 10 years through mutual friends that they have both been unfaithful. So it should be no surprise that CB was on some sites. Fetish sites though? I don't know, she seemed pretty vanilla but you never know what gets people off in the bedroom.

Getting a new phone and going to a gun range are very normal things for BB to do. Bringing the AP with? Maybe because he was having an affair, maybe she just wanted to learn to shoot, who knows. Maybe it was to get her to train to kill.

Now, all that being said, I still am very on the fence about if he did this or not. There is a part of me that thinks he did, because why would he bring AP/daughter into the house? But besides that, the timeline seems somewhat realistic to me.

BB gets a phone call from AP about an unknown car in the driveway and CB is not answering. He goes home, and tries to assess if CB is with another person. AP calls police, but doesn't know if anything is wrong and hangs up. When he goes inside the bedroom all pets are off. According the bond hearing AP heard BB screaming put the knife down and she ran to the bedroom.

All of this seems plausible, but I don't know the motive from JR, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. Doesn't mean it wasn't setup from BB or, maybe, AP set the entire thing up.

Let's say AP wanted to get CB & BB divorced, and didn't know that CB was also (knowingly to BB) having affairs. Maybe she is psychotic and thought somehow, given that everybody knows that BB is extremely protective over his family and was a LEO, maybe he'd draw his gun on someone with a knife to his wife which would put an entire scenario on red alert. Maybe it was never her intention to get someone killed, maybe it was to get them divorced in some sick, twisted, stupid manner.

The truth is we don't know what happened. BB isn't saying anything, which is what his lawyer told him to do day 1. "Don't say anything to anyone"

If CB and BB were knowingly to each other in open relationships why did BB react so suspiciously to a strange car in front of his house? Why wouldn’t he just assume that CB had a friend over and tell the AP not to worry about it.

Something about that has been bothering me too. If my husband/or I came home and saw a car in our driveway we'd think there was someone doing something in the house- like a repair, etc. I wouldn't freak out as my first thought. Especially for Juliana to have that reaction, its not her home/she's an employee - so why was she so triggered by seeing someone go into the home. There was no forced entry, so wouldn't she have thought it was someone her employer knew and mind her own business? Anyway this part of the story is a little strange to me.

If the plan had been for the AP to take the kid to the zoo and mom’s plan was to enjoy peace and quiet/alone time and/or there were no planned visitors, I could see why the appearance of an unknown car in the driveway might trigger alarm bells.

You think an AP knows about every visitor, vendor, etc who comes to their employers home?

Imagine the scene- Joe's car was IN the driveway. Not around the block, hidden, etc. In plain site of everyone, cameras, etc. AP claims she saw him enter the home. He didn't sneak in a back door, windows or try to break in. He walked in obviously knowing it was unlocked. I don't think any of this is enough to sound alarm bells and need to call a husband who isn't even home.

I think it’s not unreasonable that after a year, an AP would be kept in the loop as to whom may or may not be expected to be coming to the house at any given time.

Not when she is expected to be in DC for hours.

Do we know if AP and the child were supposed to be going to the NATIONAL ZOO? Or were they going to the Reston Zoo/NovaWild? Driving into DC from Herndon at 8:00 a.m. on a weekday is not an easy drive. Was she that familiar with driving in DC? I could see her going to NovaWild or Frying Pan Park... but actually, NovaWild didn't open until 10:00 a.m. So that doesn't fit.

Didn't someone say something about buying tickets for the zoo? You don't need tickets to go to the National Zoo, right? And you don't need tickets for Frying PAn Park (which is just around the corner from their house). You just walk in. You do need tickets for Reston Zoo/aka NovaWild... but they aren't open that early. Hmmm.

I think you need parking tickets if you want to park at the national zoo. Also during covid they were doing ticketed entry. Not sure if that was still in place in 2023 though.

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Just a reminder that BB never even bothered to write an obituary for his wife. The mother of his child.

https://moloneyfh.com/obituary/christine-ann-banfield/

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that my first thought also wouldn't be danger/home invasion. If only a short time had elapsed from AP and the child leaving the house, to returning, it would be strange to see a car there - it's early in the morning, maybe CB herself was still getting ready.. if i was the AP I would feel uncertain, so calling CB then BB seems pretty understandable. If BB suspected affair going on, makes sense he goes in. As for the child, maybe AP and her entered because she didn't want to be left outside, was tired, wanted to see her mommy again etc? Any number of reasons.. it may not "look smart" but that doesn't mean anything. If this was all part of the plan I highly doubt BB would want his own child to come in and possibly witness it or get hurt accidentally.. so them going into the house just feels like more of genuine concern/curiosity who was at the house and why. As for the AP going to help BB when she heard shouts - panic, shock and fear would erase rationality of taking child out of house. It's very possible she thought she could help and told the child to stay put. Same with BB telling her to get other gun - if he was in shock over the scene and he's shot once, now rushing to CB's aid, I can understand him saying that so a gun is kept pointed at JR since he's still alive.

First hang up was from basement/au pair suite per his friend posting. Maybe the child was locked downstairs to prevent her walking in on a sexual or criminal "scene?"

Per 2 people on this board who were at the hearing in person, the hangup call had a man moaning in agony in the background so... not sure the "friend" has/is giving all the facts.

There was more than 1 call to 911, it's in most of the news articles. Makes sense 1st hang up was from au pair suite as that is likely where the child was stashed.

Are you saying there were 2 hang ups? Multiple attendees to Mondays hearing said there was a man moaning in pain during a hangup call.

Yes.

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Anonymous wrote:If this was unplanned, that means the Au pair shot and killed an intruder and watched her host mom bleed to death. Do you know how traumatic that would be to a 21 year old, in a foreign country to boot?

Anyone else would go straight to the Au pair agency and demand they send them home asap. Yet this Au pair continues working in this home, shacking up with her host dad. She is built different.

And sleeping in the same room it all went down in.

I bet they got off on that. Nasty piece of trash couple.

Does the host family have to pay extra for 24/7 services?

Or did BB save money by not having to pay AP once she moved up to the primary bdrm? I guess that's $$$ that he would be able to throw to her atty fees.

Of COURSE BB wants to pay for AP's atty -- JUST LIKE TRUMP likes to pay for attys for his co-defendants -- BB wants to make sure HE knows what she's telling the police or not telling them. He wants someone whispering in her ear with a story that would make sense and she can just repeat it or agree to it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the biggest difference between posters here is that people who know BB think he may have done it, but may not have; and people who knew JR and the majority of people on these forums know for a "fact" BB is guilty.

I'm a friend of BB, the one whose posts got deleted a few months ago for mentioning BB's daughters name. I still lurk, just don't post.

I can confirm BB went to McDonald's often, and he was a tech nerd who loved to show off his toys (phones, teslas, etc). He also enjoyed listening and learning about your new gadgetry. As a guy, we just generally like techy stuff.

After CB's death, the entire bedroom had to be rebuilt. To stay busy BB also remodeled his bathroom (I think by himself).

To the best of my understanding he is still getting paid by the IRS and he has taken up a handful of gig jobs to stay busy. The gig jobs also explain the speeding tickets, as one of the jobs was doing uber/lyft, etc. It probably does mean he's under tremendous LEO scrutiny and they are most certainly observing/watching him to lock him up.

The first phone call came from the basement, not the bedroom, and it was the second call where you can hear Joe in the background. I imagine BB asked AP to get the second gun so she could keep it pointed at JR while he administered aid to CB.

CB and BB were in open relationships, I don't know anything about c*cking, but I can confirm for 10 years through mutual friends that they have both been unfaithful. So it should be no surprise that CB was on some sites. Fetish sites though? I don't know, she seemed pretty vanilla but you never know what gets people off in the bedroom.

Getting a new phone and going to a gun range are very normal things for BB to do. Bringing the AP with? Maybe because he was having an affair, maybe she just wanted to learn to shoot, who knows. Maybe it was to get her to train to kill.

Now, all that being said, I still am very on the fence about if he did this or not. There is a part of me that thinks he did, because why would he bring AP/daughter into the house? But besides that, the timeline seems somewhat realistic to me.

BB gets a phone call from AP about an unknown car in the driveway and CB is not answering. He goes home, and tries to assess if CB is with another person. AP calls police, but doesn't know if anything is wrong and hangs up. When he goes inside the bedroom all pets are off. According the bond hearing AP heard BB screaming put the knife down and she ran to the bedroom.

All of this seems plausible, but I don't know the motive from JR, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one. Doesn't mean it wasn't setup from BB or, maybe, AP set the entire thing up.

Let's say AP wanted to get CB & BB divorced, and didn't know that CB was also (knowingly to BB) having affairs. Maybe she is psychotic and thought somehow, given that everybody knows that BB is extremely protective over his family and was a LEO, maybe he'd draw his gun on someone with a knife to his wife which would put an entire scenario on red alert. Maybe it was never her intention to get someone killed, maybe it was to get them divorced in some sick, twisted, stupid manner.

The truth is we don't know what happened. BB isn't saying anything, which is what his lawyer told him to do day 1. "Don't say anything to anyone"

If CB and BB were knowingly to each other in open relationships why did BB react so suspiciously to a strange car in front of his house? Why wouldn’t he just assume that CB had a friend over and tell the AP not to worry about it.

Something about that has been bothering me too. If my husband/or I came home and saw a car in our driveway we'd think there was someone doing something in the house- like a repair, etc. I wouldn't freak out as my first thought. Especially for Juliana to have that reaction, its not her home/she's an employee - so why was she so triggered by seeing someone go into the home. There was no forced entry, so wouldn't she have thought it was someone her employer knew and mind her own business? Anyway this part of the story is a little strange to me.

If the plan had been for the AP to take the kid to the zoo and mom’s plan was to enjoy peace and quiet/alone time and/or there were no planned visitors, I could see why the appearance of an unknown car in the driveway might trigger alarm bells.

You think an AP knows about every visitor, vendor, etc who comes to their employers home?

Imagine the scene- Joe's car was IN the driveway. Not around the block, hidden, etc. In plain site of everyone, cameras, etc. AP claims she saw him enter the home. He didn't sneak in a back door, windows or try to break in. He walked in obviously knowing it was unlocked. I don't think any of this is enough to sound alarm bells and need to call a husband who isn't even home.

I think it’s not unreasonable that after a year, an AP would be kept in the loop as to whom may or may not be expected to be coming to the house at any given time.

Not when she is expected to be in DC for hours.

Do we know if AP and the child were supposed to be going to the NATIONAL ZOO? Or were they going to the Reston Zoo/NovaWild? Driving into DC from Herndon at 8:00 a.m. on a weekday is not an easy drive. Was she that familiar with driving in DC? I could see her going to NovaWild or Frying Pan Park... but actually, NovaWild didn't open until 10:00 a.m. So that doesn't fit.

Didn't someone say something about buying tickets for the zoo? You don't need tickets to go to the National Zoo, right? And you don't need tickets for Frying PAn Park (which is just around the corner from their house). You just walk in. You do need tickets for Reston Zoo/aka NovaWild... but they aren't open that early. Hmmm.

I think you need parking tickets if you want to park at the national zoo. Also during covid they were doing ticketed entry. Not sure if that was still in place in 2023 though.

The National Zoo in DC is STILL doing ticketed entry.

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Anonymous wrote:If this was unplanned, that means the Au pair shot and killed an intruder and watched her host mom bleed to death. Do you know how traumatic that would be to a 21 year old, in a foreign country to boot?

Anyone else would go straight to the Au pair agency and demand they send them home asap. Yet this Au pair continues working in this home, shacking up with her host dad. She is built different.

Yep. I don’t know why people are trying to normalize this situation. It’s bizarre. Especially APs involvement/ staying/ braving new mommy etc.