UVA Early Action

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

Yes. So how many more admits will there be ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

But how many offers can UVA even make at this point if the target class is 3,750? Reduce that number by the 900 ED admits. So 2,750 spots remain. How many were offered admittance in EA? Yield is probably 40% and higher for in state offers. There are very, very few spots remaining unless I am missing something.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the bitterly disappointed and jealous parents: you should have worked to get your state legislature to insist on increasing the class size.

UVA is landlocked and can't grow much at all. The city has grown up around it. That's why the legislature is pumping money into the other universities and why Virginia has 40 other great options to chose from. The one time I am aware of a representative introducing a bill to enlarge the class, the bill never made it out of committee. It was for show only to the constituents

It's funny that no one is demanding William and Mary to grow. 8600 students there.

They already expanded.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

But how many offers can UVA even make at this point if the target class is 3,750? Reduce that number by the 900 ED admits. So 2,750 spots remain. How many were offered admittance in EA? Yield is probably 40% and higher for in state offers. There are very, very few spots remaining unless I am missing something.

You’re not. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So I had a kid enter UVA in 2009. He had a 1970 SAT on the old scale, which I just calculated would be a 1360 on the new scale. He was below the mean on the SAT both then and now by about the same amount.

Why is everybody saying that admissions are so much more competitive now, then? Yes, there are more applications, but the stats for those admitted and enrolling haven't changed all that much.

Yes, the statistics have changed dramatically. The entire world of college admissions has changed in just the last few years, not to mention the eleven years ago. My DD recently graduated. She would not get into UVA today, I am confident. Her GPA and test scores are too low for a white student from NOVA.

If you are applying from NoVA for UVA you need to be in the top ten percent of your class although some college counselors now say top five percent. The 75th percentile GPA of ENROLLED students last fall was a 4.48; median was 4.34 and 25th percentile was a 4.20. ACTs were 34 at the 75th percentile. SAT was 1480 at the 75th percentile. A 1360 would place around the 35th percentile of enrolled students. BUT, the lower percentiles are predominantly used for URMs, low-income, first-generation, unusually talents, athletes, legacies, and other special interest groups. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

[Anonymous]

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But how many offers can UVA even make at this point if the target class is 3,750? Reduce that number by the 900 ED admits. So 2,750 spots remain. How many were offered admittance in EA? Yield is probably 40% and higher for in state offers. There are very, very few spots remaining unless I am missing something.

VA yield is around 60%
OOS yield is around 20%

That's in a normal year and we know this isn't a normal year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the bitterly disappointed and jealous parents: you should have worked to get your state legislature to insist on increasing the class size.

UVA is landlocked and can't grow much at all. The city has grown up around it. That's why the legislature is pumping money into the other universities and why Virginia has 40 other great options to chose from. The one time I am aware of a representative introducing a bill to enlarge the class, the bill never made it out of committee. It was for show only to the constituents

Nope.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

But how many offers can UVA even make at this point if the target class is 3,750? Reduce that number by the 900 ED admits. So 2,750 spots remain. How many were offered admittance in EA? Yield is probably 40% and higher for in state offers. There are very, very few spots remaining unless I am missing something.

very few i think is the net net, BUT I do think that you will see a higher yield of in state than usual because of the pandemic, people are gravitating towards their in state options due to financial concerns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

Yes. So how many more admits will there be ?

That's a very good question and one I can't answer. Usually, the institution uses an algorithm provided by expensive consultants to assess how many EA students can be expected to accept as well as how many RD students will show up (I'm assuming all the ED students show up minus a fraction for those who defer or have a personal reason for not matriculating). I understand UVA is aiming for a class of 3750, which sounds about right. What they can't assess well this year is how many will accept EA or even RD offers because COVID has thrown a monkey wrench into college admissions. UVA does not want a situation like VT had about three years ago when it tried out a new algorithm and wound up with far too many students accepting. Immediately after that, UVA started ED, because it, too, needed to have a better sense of how many students would accept offers (the "yield). Prior to Covid, there was a lot of nervousness about the fact that SLACs and other privates were pricing themselves out of reach for even UMC. So more and admitted more students were accepting UVA than in the past because of its value. Then Covid came and many families found their savings depleted, lost jobs or were laid off. That makes all the publics look a LOT more attractive to a financially-stressed family. Bearing that in mind, the wisest course of action for UVA is to admit a smaller RD class than usual and then wait and see how many EA and RD accept. They need to control because they can't handle more than the 3750 - it's not a school where dorm trailers can be brought in or hotels leased out (easily). Once the office knows that answer (May 1), then it will turn to the monstrous deferral list.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the bitterly disappointed and jealous parents: you should have worked to get your state legislature to insist on increasing the class size.

UVA is landlocked and can't grow much at all. The city has grown up around it. That's why the legislature is pumping money into the other universities and why Virginia has 40 other great options to chose from. The one time I am aware of a representative introducing a bill to enlarge the class, the bill never made it out of committee. It was for show only to the constituents

It's funny that no one is demanding William and Mary to grow. 8600 students there.

They already expanded.[/quote]


So did UVA to capacity. A professor upthread talks about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So I had a kid enter UVA in 2009. He had a 1970 SAT on the old scale, which I just calculated would be a 1360 on the new scale. He was below the mean on the SAT both then and now by about the same amount.

Why is everybody saying that admissions are so much more competitive now, then? Yes, there are more applications, but the stats for those admitted and enrolling haven't changed all that much.

Yes, the statistics have changed dramatically. The entire world of college admissions has changed in just the last few years, not to mention the eleven years ago. My DD recently graduated. She would not get into UVA today, I am confident. Her GPA and test scores are too low for a white student from NOVA.

If you are applying from NoVA for UVA you need to be in the top ten percent of your class although some college counselors now say top five percent. The 75th percentile GPA of ENROLLED students last fall was a 4.48; median was 4.34 and 25th percentile was a 4.20. ACTs were 34 at the 75th percentile. SAT was 1480 at the 75th percentile. A 1360 would place around the 35th percentile of enrolled students. BUT, the lower percentiles are predominantly used for URMs, low-income, first-generation, unusually talents, athletes, legacies, and other special interest groups. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Yes, this is a good thing, there is not a dearth of great public schools in Virginia. Quite the opposite, other than California we have an amazing group of colleges here in Virginia. Getting into our state flagship should be for our best in the state and followed by great out of state students. Welcome to the real world, NOVA is not the center of the universe, there are many deserving kids in other parts of Virginia that are honestly more than worthy of admittance than NOVA kids, Virginia is more than the DCUM world.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances you will get in if you were deferred? How many deferrals turn into acceptances?

I would like to know as well. Is a deferral from UVA basically a NO?

According to Dean J,‘s blog, last year 8% of deferrals were offered admission. It was 12% the year before.

The 8,000 deferrals are now in the same pot as the 16,000 RD applications. Not many spots left...

23:13 on page ten above ran the numbers:

48,000 - 32,000 between ED/EA = 16,000 RD

I imagine they lose many to other schools’ ED and ED2.


You forgot about the deferred applicants from ED and EA who will get a second shot in the RD round. There are 8000 deferred applicants. For another file review, these students have to file a form. If half the deferred students elect a review, that’s 4000 more applicants in the RD round, in addition to the 16,000 RD applicants, or 20,000 total.

Hard to know how many of the defers will withdraw, too. Did you notice that the defers have to fill something out to confirm that they want to be reconsidered?

Yes. So how many more admits will there be ?

That's a very good question and one I can't answer. Usually, the institution uses an algorithm provided by expensive consultants to assess how many EA students can be expected to accept as well as how many RD students will show up (I'm assuming all the ED students show up minus a fraction for those who defer or have a personal reason for not matriculating). I understand UVA is aiming for a class of 3750, which sounds about right. What they can't assess well this year is how many will accept EA or even RD offers because COVID has thrown a monkey wrench into college admissions. UVA does not want a situation like VT had about three years ago when it tried out a new algorithm and wound up with far too many students accepting. Immediately after that, UVA started ED, because it, too, needed to have a better sense of how many students would accept offers (the "yield). Prior to Covid, there was a lot of nervousness about the fact that SLACs and other privates were pricing themselves out of reach for even UMC. So more and admitted more students were accepting UVA than in the past because of its value. Then Covid came and many families found their savings depleted, lost jobs or were laid off. That makes all the publics look a LOT more attractive to a financially-stressed family. Bearing that in mind, the wisest course of action for UVA is to admit a smaller RD class than usual and then wait and see how many EA and RD accept. They need to control because they can't handle more than the 3750 - it's not a school where dorm trailers can be brought in or hotels leased out (easily). Once the office knows that answer (May 1), then it will turn to the monstrous deferral list.

Sounds about right. Except on May 1st, they will turn to a wait list not deferral list.

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Anonymous wrote:If the university is going to eliminate more qualified applicants to yield protect, why even bother calling it EA in the first place?

Why don't they all call it RD and have it in the fall, put a lot of people on the waitlist and allow plenty of time for people to get pulled off waitlists in multiple rounds?

Seems like that would increase the caliber of the applicant pool.

But UVA doesn’t practice yield protection.

Dean J says she wasn’t given that number.

One thing I am struck by is the number of OOS applications. Something like 21,000 versus 7,000 from Virginia.

VA applications are constrained by the number of yearly VA high school graduates, a number that can’t change much unless the state experiences substantial in-migration. However, OOS is the rest of the world; those applications will continue to rise.

Well, yes. But maybe my comment wasn’t clear enough. I am surprised to discover there is this much interest OOS in UVA the way people carry on in this forum that UVA is overrated

Right. The evidence is in: people OOS know about UVA and think it’s a gem. Most of the bashing of UVA on these threads reflects the frustration with getting in and dealing with the excitement of those that do. Of course, that in-state frustration/excitement dynamic also suggests that UVA is a coveted admit. From an objective perspective, how could it not be? You’re getting a Top 25 education, lots of top athletics and school pride, and a nearby location for less than half the price of similarly situated schools.

You mean top 26 education right? UVA hasn’t been top 25 in two years......

If you think these ratings are that precise, you need to study them more. Your comment doesn’t disgrace UVA, but it does demonstrate your pettiness. Grow up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So I had a kid enter UVA in 2009. He had a 1970 SAT on the old scale, which I just calculated would be a 1360 on the new scale. He was below the mean on the SAT both then and now by about the same amount.

Why is everybody saying that admissions are so much more competitive now, then? Yes, there are more applications, but the stats for those admitted and enrolling haven't changed all that much.

Yes, the statistics have changed dramatically. The entire world of college admissions has changed in just the last few years, not to mention the eleven years ago. My DD recently graduated. She would not get into UVA today, I am confident. Her GPA and test scores are too low for a white student from NOVA.

If you are applying from NoVA for UVA you need to be in the top ten percent of your class although some college counselors now say top five percent. The 75th percentile GPA of ENROLLED students last fall was a 4.48; median was 4.34 and 25th percentile was a 4.20. ACTs were 34 at the 75th percentile. SAT was 1480 at the 75th percentile. A 1360 would place around the 35th percentile of enrolled students. BUT, the lower percentiles are predominantly used for URMs, low-income, first-generation, unusually talents, athletes, legacies, and other special interest groups. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

Except here's the thing: My 2009 kid was none of those things. He was an UMC white kid with no hooks from a NOVA public. He was in the 35th percentile of enrolled students then, too. So I'm not sure you're right about that. Lots of fear mongering and exaggerations going on.

[Anonymous]

For RD plus deferrals - roughly 20,000 applicants - there are 300 spots. To yield those 300 students, there will be about 750 admits. See the math higher in the thread. Repeating here because people keep asking this question.